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 p.22 #14 · FF Mirrorless, what's it going to take Sony, Canon, Nikon | |
tek9 wrote:
I have a question - because I'm seeing this repetitive pattern from you all over Nikon forums all the time (despite not being a Nikon shooter (?)). Do you own a Z series body / lenses? Or you're just repeating what you've seen from youtube stars / internet gear reviewers?
Judging from all those comments - only Sony will prevail (doesn't matter that the only weaker spot of the Z series is AF so far).
Actually, I have been a long term Nikon shooter. If you look at my uploads you will see that the vast majority of them were shot on Nikon. I still have my Nikon D810 DSLR, which is an excellent camera. Admittedly, it doesn't get much use these days however.
I made the decision to switch to mirrorless after I took a low end, used Sony a6000 with a kit lens on my annual trip to Italy last Summer. I liked the mirrorless shooting experience and light weight so much I decided to explore mirrorless for my primary camera. Nikon had announced the upcoming release of the Z7 for Fall. So, I waited and ordered one pre-release, despite feeling it was a bit expensive for its feature set. Loyal Nikon user that I was. I got one of the first ones delivered by my local camera store. So, I had one prior to most of the YouTube guys released any kind of reviews to color my opinion. I tested it pretty heavily. To me it failed in some very important areas, including the focus issues you mentioned. A good number of my third party lenses would not work with the adapter, so having to buy new lenses any way meant that switching for another line of cameras was a financially equal proposition. In the end I decided that the Z7 just did not seem like a competitive camera when compared to other mirrorless offerings I had experimented with. I returned it, and bought into another mirrorless system. So, I am not a current Z camera owner, but was once, if that means anything at all in legitimizing my right to post discussions related to mirrorless cameras.
I am interested in business and industry among other things. I have owned, operated, sold, and still have, a number of companies in various industries. The dramatic forces that are taking place in this industry are of interest to me. It is impossible to discuss the accelerating shift from DSLR to mirrorless without including Sony in the discussion. Sony is the protagonist, and technology leader in this shift in cameras. They came from almost nothing to being the market leader in such a short time. It is actually quite an amazing story. If you read the history of the Sony Company this fits their model of entry into most of their major business areas of focus. They innovate a product or service, and or partner/joint venture/buy from/supply to existing players. They then end up owning a large share of their partner companies. Then they often end up owning the whole company of their former business partners as they solidify their position. You can see this pattern emerging in this industry with relationships to many of its biggest players. I am enjoying watching this play out.
This thread was originally posted to the Sony forum, and cross posted to the Nikon Forum. The administrators of FM removed it from the Sony Forum, and cross posted it to the Nikon and Cannon forums for their own reasons. When the Admin asked about moving it, my response was simply to say that I support any move he felt was best for the FM community. When I saw that it was removed from Sony and kept in Nikon I even sent another PM to be sure that that was intentional, because the people who seem to get upset are the Nikon guys. So, it is not like I just posted it to the Nikon Forum in order to inflame Nikon fans as you suggested. I do find it interesting that Nikon users seem to attack people personally when they post things not fully favorable to Nikon. Notice that although this is cross posted to Canon, we didn't see this vitriol from the Canon shooters when their results and cameras was the focus of the discussion after they released their results. Just imagine if Nikon were taking the abuse that Canon does over its sensors. Why the emotional reaction, and defensiveness from the Nikon guys?
In the post that you are responding to, you will notice that when I discussed Nikon's results and the Z Cameras sales performance, no mention of, or comparison to Sony was made. I do this in order to try and not inflame brand wars. I would prefer to focus the discussion resulting from that post to be on Nikons business results.
I have never criticized those who bought, and enjoy using their Nikon Z cameras. I have never in any of my posts done that despite some seriously childish goading. They likely made the perfect choice for their own needs. I respect that and I hope they have a long and wonderful experience with the camera. I am also not saying that the Z cameras are bad cameras. I don't believe they are. Just here on FM too many posts of excellent images, including many of yours Tek9, prove otherwise. Still, it appears that the broader market is not accepting them as competitive offerings. The sales results, and Nikon's own statements seem to be indicating that they are underperforming expectations. I have expressed my thinking on why this might be, including expressing hope that some of the fixes that are on the way might help. I am interested in hearing from others on this subject.
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Sure they will have their choice of MILC's, and notice the word choice! Some will opt for Sony, Nikon, Canon, Fuji, Panasonic, Leica, Olympus and again this is a preference. Some will opt for A7r for landscapes as this is all they need at price where the bodies are literally given away. The A7r had serious flaws as a first generation body but still continues to be used by many. Do we denigrate the a7r, of course not as it is still a great body for experienced photographers that actually take photos !
He make himself looks like decent poster and all the bad things (he imagined) about Nikon is bury underneath his vogue writing. 