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p.2 #1 · Should i sell my a7iii and switch over to Fujifilm xT3???


I don't know much about the Sony lenses but if the Fuji "look" is something you are trying to replicate, you can achieve that in post-processing. I don't think it is worth switching to an entirely new kit just for that.

Have you tried buying Sony lenses used? Should be a decent savings vs buying new.



Feb 19, 2019 at 11:35 AM
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p.2 #2 · Should i sell my a7iii and switch over to Fujifilm xT3???


Yeah I知 new here but i recently purchased my first used lens, Tamron 28, waiting for it to come. Yeah i was trying to find some guide in helping me achieve a more Fujifilm look in Lightroom haven稚 really found anything helpful tho.

mdude85 wrote:
I don't know much about the Sony lenses but if the Fuji "look" is something you are trying to replicate, you can achieve that in post-processing. I don't think it is worth switching to an entirely new kit just for that.

Have you tried buying Sony lenses used? Should be a decent savings vs buying new.




Feb 19, 2019 at 01:25 PM
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p.2 #3 · Should i sell my a7iii and switch over to Fujifilm xT3???


There are plenty LUT packages out there that work with LR to bring in a lot of filmic simulations that can go way beyond the limited set Fuji provides. Very easy to use.


Feb 19, 2019 at 04:41 PM
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p.2 #4 · Should i sell my a7iii and switch over to Fujifilm xT3???


beenfr3sh wrote:
I am a noob when it comes to photography, i do it as a hobby so very far from a professional. What i currently shoot is family, portraits, sneakers, and landscapes whenever i travel. I either keep the pictures for myself or post them on Instagram. I would like to start to print.
Was even considering doing real estate photography for extra money
Now i love the color that come out of a Fujifilm camera atleast from what I致e seen. Just looks very raw and authentic (in my opinion)

I have enjoyed the a7iii but i find lenses to be
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You have a fine camera system right now. As a "noob" (to use your own description) it is easy to become convinced that new gear is the solution to all problems, imagined and real. But the reality is that once you commit to the system you have and focus on acquiring photographic skills and experience, that will improve your results far more than the eternal New Gear Quest.

As to "colors," you can get great colors out of both of these brands, and either of them can be made to look essentially identical to the other by acquiring and applying some basic post-processing skills.



Feb 19, 2019 at 05:40 PM
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p.2 #5 · Should i sell my a7iii and switch over to Fujifilm xT3???


Thanks and yeah you池e right, i need to get my skills up with the camera system I知 using as well as post processing

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You have a fine camera system right now. As a "noob" (to use your own description) it is easy to become convinced that new gear is the solution to all problems, imagined and real. But the reality is that once you commit to the system you have and focus on acquiring photographic skills and experience, that will improve your results far more than the eternal New Gear Quest.

As to "colors," you can get great colors out of both of these brands, and either of them can be made to look essentially identical to the other by acquiring and applying some
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Feb 19, 2019 at 06:05 PM
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beenfr3sh wrote:
Yeah I知 new here but i recently purchased my first used lens, Tamron 28, waiting for it to come. Yeah i was trying to find some guide in helping me achieve a more Fujifilm look in Lightroom haven稚 really found anything helpful tho.


There's a number of film simulations available as presets for Lightroom, as well as software like DXO Filmpack, which can provide similar results to Fuji's Film Simulations. That will get you fairly close.




Feb 19, 2019 at 07:52 PM
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I am not a big fan of Sony cameras but I would say you池e better off spending the time and money learning good composition, how to play with light in your photos and how to post process. By shooting you値l learn conposition and how to play with light, but I can稚 stress enough how learning to post process is crucial. Well worth the time investment and if you can take a class and learn photoshop葉hat skill is invaluable and can really help elevate your photos.


Feb 19, 2019 at 08:29 PM
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p.2 #8 · Should i sell my a7iii and switch over to Fujifilm xT3???


I switched from Sony A7III to Fuji X-T3 not too long ago for mostly the same reasons you are wanting to. The Sony lenses I was interested in were too expensive and so I started buying lenses to adapt.

Some of my favorite lenses during that time were the Zeiss C/Y lenses, I loved the pictures I got out of these. But even though I had most of my focal lengths covered, I still wanted autofocus for the longer ones. Having to drop so much money on a huge variable aperture zoom lens wasn't appealing to me. I also have little kids and the only lens I could reliably use with them was my single Sony prime, the 55mm 1.8.

When Fuji came out with the X-T3, I did the math and chose to switch. I had plenty of experience selling things online so it wasn't tough to get rid of my Sony gear. I picked up the X-T3 with 18-55 kit, the 12mm f2 Samyang, the 35mm 1.4 Fuji, and the 55-200 Fuji. Even better, I bought it all during the holidays when prices were reduced. This kit covers all of my use cases for much cheaper than an equivalent native Sony kit would and with excellent image quality too. I have yet to experience any regrets and have taken some wonderful pictures with that 35mm 1.4. Note that I had to send my 18-55 in to Fuji for warranty service because it was just horrible out of the box... They sent me back a new copy that is excellent.



Feb 21, 2019 at 10:05 AM
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p.2 #9 · Should i sell my a7iii and switch over to Fujifilm xT3???


If you're just looking at it from a money perspective, of course Fuji wins all day every day.

However...IMO the A73 ergos are better than the X-T3, and lenses...in general...are around the same size and weight, as long as you're comparing the Fuji lenses to the Sony G lenses. The A73 battery trounces the XT3 battery as well.

Manual focusing on the Fuji is easier if that's any interest to you.

The one reason I'm sticking with Sony over Fuji is the image quality. The Sony image quality is just leagues beyond Fuji to my eye, the Fuji files are just quite often soft and muddy. Also keep in mind you'll be losing IBIS, so when comparing lenses like the Fuji 56/1.2 to the Sony 85/1.8, the Sony still has the advantage because of the IBIS.

I don't regret my time shooting Fuji, and if all I was shooting was outdoor, daylight street photography, I'd get another Fuji body in a heartbeat. Where they fall apart is eye detection and low light, and I do quite a bit of low light shooting. If you stay Sony, I would suggest only shooting RAW, as their JPEG processing leaves a lot to be desired and you'll have more leverage to process towards a "fuji look" with RAW.

My personal recommendation is to stick with the A73 and buy lenses used to cut down on costs. Plenty of great sellers here on FM that sell mint condition goods at great discounts vs retail.



Feb 21, 2019 at 11:45 AM
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p.2 #10 · Should i sell my a7iii and switch over to Fujifilm xT3???


RoamingScott wrote:
Fuji files are just quite often soft and muddy.


That is simply nonsense, and such an absurd claim should cause readers to question your other claims.

Sony makes great cameras and camera system. So does Fujifilm. Both produce excellent technical output.

There are fine reasons to choose either brand, but it is ridiculous to claim that one or the other has a terminal problem along the lines of this claim.

(The most significant differences for many users between the brands relate to the user interface. If you like a highly modal screen interface, then you'll like the Sony approach. If you like having direct knob/dial/rings to control things like aperture, shutter speed, EC, ISO then you'll like the Fujifilm approach.)

Dan

BTW: Rather than adding another post, I'll edit this one to comment on a later post about Lightroom/ACR and Fujifilm files. I use a ACR/Photoshop workflow with both my Canon and Fujifilm files. The reports of major problems with Adobe products on Fujifilm files are, in my experience, grossly overblown. I make and sell prints up to 20" x 30" (and occasionally larger) from my Fujifilm files, doing all of the raw conversion and post-processing using Adobe tools and I get excellent results. One does need to use different settings for Fujifilm files than for those from other cameras, but that is true when moving among brands and formats generally.

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Feb 21, 2019 at 12:00 PM
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gdanmitchell wrote:
That is simply nonsense, and such an absurd claim should cause readers to question your other claims.

Sony makes great cameras and camera system. So does Fujifilm. Both produce excellent technical output.

There are fine reasons to choose either brand, but it is ridiculous to claim that one or the other has a terminal problem along the lines of this claim.


I agree 100% with you Dan, it is just ridicules.
I would probably trust it, if I didn't test it on my own. Back in my X-T2 days, I was kind of drugged into an idea of switching to Sony, so I purchased used A7R2, and one of the best lenses in that system, Loxia 21mm.
The next day I went out with A7R2/Loxia 21mm and X-T2/10-24mm F4, and I shot numerous landscape scenes with both cameras, straight of the tripod.
I came back, transferred images to my computer, and I found that the only really noticeable difference was resolution, and ability of cropping on high MP camera.
That was the end of my Sony idea, I sold A7RII a few days later, but it took me little longer to sell Loxia.


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Feb 21, 2019 at 12:11 PM
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If you're just looking at it from a money perspective, of course Fuji wins all day every day.


As I demonstrated upthread, that's simply not the case. If you're talking the fast glass, then yes, but for the budget-minded teh FE's/Tamrons and Fujicron's come in very comparably in cost.


However...IMO the A73 ergos are better than the X-T3, and lenses...in general...are around the same size and weight, as long as you're comparing the Fuji lenses to the Sony G lenses. The A73 battery trounces the XT3 battery as well.


I disagree pretty strongly on the ergo's, the dials on the X-T3 beat the tiny buttons on the Sony's every day of the week. When you do need to go menu diving, Fuji's menus are MUCH better organized than Sony's. Fuji's buttons are a touch worse than Sony's though. G lenses also tend to be significantly larger than the Fuji equivalents (the 24/1.4 excepted), it's FE vs Fujicron's where there is a decent equivalent. No argument on the battery life, the Sony's benefit from having 2/3rds more capacity per battery plus being less thirsty. With the grip on things are a wash though as Fuji packs in a 3rd battery.



Manual focusing on the Fuji is easier if that's any interest to you.

The one reason I'm sticking with Sony over Fuji is the image quality. The Sony image quality is just leagues beyond Fuji to my eye, the Fuji files are just quite often soft and muddy. Also keep in mind you'll be losing IBIS, so when comparing lenses like the Fuji 56/1.2 to the Sony 85/1.8, the Sony still has the advantage because of the IBIS.


Having compared the Fuji's directly with the Sony's, I'm wondering exactly where you are coming from (Lightroom user? LR/ACR workflows are terrible for X-Trans and LR's noise reduction is mediocre at best). Even with the FF advantage (and it is real), the Sony files have somewhat muddier colour, but both are very nice and sharp across the board. I'm using a CaptureOne based workflow though which delivers the best results for Sony and Fuji in my experience. Aside from colour and that 1 stop of ISO advantage, I actually see very little difference between the two. I used to be an IBIS fanboy, but over the 13 years I've been using IBIS (Since I got a K100D at release), I've found it really has a very small window of real benefit, largely when shooting immobile subjects with near telephotos.


I don't regret my time shooting Fuji, and if all I was shooting was outdoor, daylight street photography, I'd get another Fuji body in a heartbeat. Where they fall apart is eye detection and low light, and I do quite a bit of low light shooting. If you stay Sony, I would suggest only shooting RAW, as their JPEG processing leaves a lot to be desired and you'll have more leverage to process towards a "fuji look" with RAW.

My personal recommendation is to stick with the A73 and buy lenses used to cut down on costs. Plenty of great sellers here
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Eye detection I'll agree with, Sony is ahead of everybody there. Sony's JPEG's are pretty laughable, the Sony's are RAW-only cameras in my experience. In low light I'd take either system interchangeably. I shoot street/cityscape and landscape, with the former often in low light.

I do agree that sticking with the A7III is probably the right move for the OP.



Feb 21, 2019 at 12:14 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
If you're just looking at it from a money perspective, of course Fuji wins all day every day.

However...IMO the A73 ergos are better than the X-T3, and lenses...in general...are around the same size and weight, as long as you're comparing the Fuji lenses to the Sony G lenses. The A73 battery trounces the XT3 battery as well.

Manual focusing on the Fuji is easier if that's any interest to you.

The one reason I'm sticking with Sony over Fuji is the image quality. The Sony image quality is just leagues beyond Fuji to my eye, the Fuji files are just quite often
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Money perspective, it's kind of a wash. Depends on promotinal sales, bundles, and used prices, not to mention the lenses you want. You can get a X-T3 and quite a number of lenses at a pretty good discount if you are willing to wait for the right time, but that goes for the Sony too.

Ergo is highly preferential. I highly prefer the X-T3 for photo use, and kind of hate it for video because there is no good way to have a video mode custom setting that you can also adjust on the fly quickly. When I'm snapping shots of the family and want to quickly go to my preferred video settings, it's cumbersome. I have the opposite relation with the A7RII I used to have.

Lightness, is actually preferential too. Some people love their big heavy DSLRs. Personally the A7III is at the upper limit of what I'll carry for a body (they are quite a bit heftier than the original A7). The issue is the lenses. There's a dearth of quality small compact lenses for FE.

IQ that is leagues beyond, I'd have to laugh. You can feel free to browse my smugmug gallery and point out where FF would be leagues better.

IBIS is a good advantage, Fuji is lacking here. Though not as consequential depending on lens, aperture, and shutter speed.

Low light is an advantage if you use fast lenses on FF. Crop factor works against smaller sensors when compared to fast FF lenses as frequently there are no equivalents for the lenses. However this also works in reverse. I am probably not the norm, but I usually shoot f4 on APS-C, even in lower light because I tend to shoot a bit closer and need DoF. However to accomplish the same settings on FF, I need 1.5x smaller aperture and consequently, 1.5x higher ISO. This kills much of the lead the FF has over APS-C so that final output is somewhat disappointingly similar. (Basically the time went FF, I spent a ton of money and realized very marginal gains.)

Current eye-af on an X-T3 is about as good as the previous gen Sony eye-af. Useful and accurate, but a bit laggy. It will be improved in April with a new firmware. Possibly with even more upgrades later.

I'm still not certain if Sony has a compressed raw format that isn't lossy. That was a big shock to me in post processing when I started getting really terrible artifacting in my nighttime images. You can of course go uncompressed RAW, but that does eat quickly into limited card space if you're a burst shooter like I am. Bigger issue I have is white balance performance on Sony and shadow contamination/color shift at higher ISO. Fixing white balance is annoying but doable, though sometimes it never seems to look quite right. The color shift and shadow color bleeding is a big facepalm though. Very difficult to correct, especially in video. It can also make skin tones look strange and unattractive. I've found my X-T3, and previous X bodies to be very resistant to color shifts as ISO goes up, which is amazing to me. While white balance is not perfect, especially in auto, I find less issues with it than any Sony body I've used.

Well, there's no perfect camera for every individual, so you have to weigh the tradeoffs.



Feb 21, 2019 at 10:14 PM
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beenfr3sh wrote:
I am a noob when it comes to photography, i do it as a hobby so very far from a professional. What i currently shoot is family, portraits, sneakers, and landscapes whenever i travel. I either keep the pictures for myself or post them on Instagram. I would like to start to print.
Was even considering doing real estate photography for extra money
Now i love the color that come out of a Fujifilm camera atleast from what I致e seen. Just looks very raw and authentic (in my opinion)

I have enjoyed the a7iii but i find lenses to be
...Show more

Fuji is a lot more affordable - and IMHO, with the used prices on the X-T2, which is a fantastic camera that I believe does pretty much everything the X-T3 does, it will be easier on your pocketbook...based on what you are saying. Sony is a very expensive hobby system and I empathize. Tons of lenses can be adapted to the Fuji so you can even have fun with legacy lenses on the Fuji. So, I say, go for it. I love Fuji products and my X-T2's are very affordable now. If you buy into a new X-T3, you'll see your investment dive in half right after a new model comes out so just go ahead and save some money on the X-T2.

No, Fuji doesn't have IBIS but it's long glass has vibration control, which works extremely well. The Fuji system is so light and wonderful - even the lenses are lightweight and they are black so I feel they are lower key and less imposing.

I'm not trying to put Sony down or get into a debate about which is better Sony or Fuji - but, rather, I'm addressing your issue about cost. With the introduction of the X-T2, Fuji was very attractive and now that many of their fantastic lenses have been out awhile, their lenses on the used market are so much less than Sonys lenses.



Feb 22, 2019 at 07:34 PM
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I just wish I could like Sony. Would have saved some money. Their eye AF is one of the best out there. General tech wise, pretty nice but even being an engineer I don't like the cameras. I could have gotten used to them over time but why. Fuji felt so much better in hand. Started with XT1 when I had 5dmk3. To me that little cropper did quite well specially with 56mm f1.2, 23mm f1.4 and the 35mm f1.4. Then when Fuji announced the big cropper, I had to get one, just for trying it once and after that I sold my canon. Yes AF is slow, it doesn't do fancy video, doesn't have the fastest lenses but man, camera/lens produces awesome pictures. The 100MP version will make it even better with all the doo daas it is going to have (sure for lot more $$).


Feb 22, 2019 at 11:45 PM
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There is nothing wrong with your current system. I wish someone would have told me that when I went down the road you're about to partake on... oh wait, they did... almost every time I swapped systems..

Seriously though, if you're new to photography and money is tight just work on your compositions and skill with what you have now. Add more lenses when money permits. There is no way I would take a hit on that camera reselling it if money was an issue. Heck, you might get 6-12 months into it and figure out that you don't even like photography. Just my 2 cents.




Feb 23, 2019 at 08:18 AM
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I am a long term Sony user and a fairly recent Fuji one (Xt20). I must admit I like shooting with the Fuji more than the Sony. However for me the Sony (A7RIII) focuses faster, the extra resolution allows me to crop more, if necessary, and in general my keeper rate is higher with eye focus, etc. I really like the Fuji and I have bought good glass for it and like many of the images I have taken with it and plan to use it for travel and when light weight is a sufficient motivator. I don't shoot jpeg so perhaps that is a bias but from my perspective the Sony is simply a better tool. Acquires focus faster, has higher resolution and is better in low light. Don't mistake what I am saying they are both good cameras.


Feb 23, 2019 at 01:37 PM
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jmmaher wrote:
I am a long term Sony user and a fairly recent Fuji one (Xt20). I must admit I like shooting with the Fuji more than the Sony. However for me the Sony (A7RIII) focuses faster, the extra resolution allows me to crop more, if necessary, and in general my keeper rate is higher with eye focus, etc. I really like the Fuji and I have bought good glass for it and like many of the images I have taken with it and plan to use it for travel and when light weight is a sufficient motivator. I don't shoot jpeg
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Do note you are comparing one of Fuji's last-generation models to Sony's current generation. Comparing the X-T3 or X-T30 to the A7RIII is a much closer match in terms of generations and in match for AF performance. Of course the Sony will have a roughly 1 stop ISO performance advantage from the format difference and more resolution as well (the Fuji's put more pixels on a subject at a given focal length though, as the 24 & 26MP APS-C sensors are higher density than Sony's 42MP FF sensor).



Feb 23, 2019 at 08:12 PM
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mawz wrote:
(the Fuji's put more pixels on a subject at a given focal length though, as the 24 & 26MP APS-C sensors are higher density than Sony's 42MP FF sensor).


I can only compare what I have and the XT-30 isn't out yet

Not sure what impact the issue of "more pixels at a given focal length" has on performance. I like the Fuji I own, it simply isn't as good at certain things as the Sony A7RIII. The Fuji certainly wins on size, weight and fun to use factors but it is not as good in other areas such as resolution, focus acquisition, or low light performance. I suspect the newer generation Fuji's narrow this gap.




Feb 23, 2019 at 09:36 PM
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jmmaher wrote:
I can only compare what I have and the XT-30 isn't out yet

Not sure what impact the issue of "more pixels at a given focal length" has on performance. I like the Fuji I own, it simply isn't as good at certain things as the Sony A7RIII. The Fuji certainly wins on size, weight and fun to use factors but it is not as good in other areas such as resolution, focus acquisition, or low light performance. I suspect the newer generation Fuji's narrow this gap.



The X-T3 certainly is out, and is what I'd be looking at as the most comparable model to the A7RIII (although realistically the X-T3 competes more against the A7III).

The X-T20 competes against the A6000 and to some extent the A6300 (as the X-T30 and A6400 will go head to head). Note all the things you note about the X-T20 vs the A7RIII would apply equally when comparing the A6000 to the A7RIII, except the A6000 is generally inferior to the X-T20 (it's also older than the X-T20).

More pixels at a given focal length is the key for resolution for long lens work, where cropping is often very common. The 42MP A7RIII has a similar pixel density to a 18MP APS-C camera, so when you are shooting with longer lenses the A7RIII is a lot closer in resolution to the first & second generation Fuji's than the current 24 or 26MP models. Given the very limited selection of long lenses in any mirrorless system, this can be a significant issue, since your primary long zoom in each system is a 100-400 anyways, so you need to crop FF down to APS-C to get the same reach as that same focal length on APS-C. This is the one spot where you can realistically compare APS-C against FF on reasonably equal footing. It's also one big reason why bodies like the X-T3 and D500 remain so very popular with BiF photographers.

No APS-C model is going to match a FF high-MP sensor for resolution for shorter focal lengths where you can get full equivalency between systems.



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