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p.10 #1 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


1bwana1 wrote:
Now there is a rational reasoned discussion of the issues. What many here see as brand wars are clumsy attempts at discussing technology. the Z Cameras are new mirrorless cameras, that is their main market positioning. In the past there was really only one FF digital mirrorless camera manufacturer. So, naturally that brands cameras are what the new mirrorless cameras will be benchmarked against. Because of this, references to "that other brand" will be made in any thread discussing the new mirrorless cameras.

There was a post speculating that patents were the reason that Nikon did not implement Eye AF.
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I do not wish to inundate this thread any more, just to say I started several threads specific to this topic and have done a lot of testing on the D750, D810 and D850. It works very well and not really detailed anywhere



Nov 23, 2018 at 01:35 AM
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p.10 #2 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


Maybe it's a marketing thing?

Call it "face detection" and it focuses on the iris 7 out of 10 times => "great job Nikon"!

Call it "eye AF" and it mis-focuses 3 out of 10 times => "others do it so much better"!





Nov 23, 2018 at 02:21 AM
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p.10 #3 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


Bohemien wrote:
Maybe it's a marketing thing?

Call it "face detection" and it focuses on the iris 7 out of 10 times => "great job Nikon"!

Call it "eye AF" and it mis-focuses 3 out of 10 times => "others do it so much better"!




. Now, that *IS* definitely marketing! Others may call it spin.



Nov 23, 2018 at 02:55 AM
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p.10 #4 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


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what are you seeing that you dont like? tracking accuracy? ability to lock? initial acquisition? comparing it to a d5, is prob not the best bet, you have to remember you can buy 3 z6's with the cost of a d5. i have yet to any issues when trying to focus. and i only use continuous focus. i was shooting a friendsgiving earlier this week, and it locked focus every time, and i was using Auto AF - and locking targets and using the cursor to change detected faces. All these were with the 35 1.8S


I said earlier, I'm not expecting D5 and E lens performance, but I guess my perspective is influenced by my other gear.

On the plus side, as I mentioned, the high ISO performance is fantastic. I think the sensor itself produces beautiful images. That's the one thing I like about the D750, and I think this is better.

On the other hand, I'm not happy with the initial focus. It does better with close objects, but its more of a "swooop" vs the "ft" I'm used to with the D5 and 24-70/2.8E FL. It seems like I have to work to get targets really sharp vs "sharp enough". I've deleted lots of shots that aren't tack sharp. It's really hard to compare images shot from others because I don't know about the image compression used, what compression happens upon uploading, etc... I'm used to seeing eyelashes and eyebrow hairs clearly defined. I've gotten some of those, but a lot lower percentage than what I'm used to. This is also of taking snapshots of my bf on vacation vs MLB pitchers, NFL receivers and RBs - the former should be a lot easier than the latter.

I'm not going to try tracking images - that's beyond what I expect with a $2K body. I do expect a lock and hold in AF-C and there's some looseness involved in there with the Z6. I had to adjust -2 on the 24-70/4 S, so that's been accounted for. As I mentioned, I've switched to AF-C Single vs Dynamic because the helper points too often pick up focus vs what I want with the primary. This is the opposite of the D5 in D9. In all fairness, that single AF square is huge, much bigger than the AF point it truly represents. I haven't tested to see where the true AF point is in Single Point a la Steve Perry's AF point test. I'm on vacation and will do that when I get back home.

I think this is a great "all rounder" camera for most people. If I was in the market for a general camera, this would be it. I don't find the AF to be snappy and as precise as what I expected - to be fair, the D500 and D850 don't match the $6500 D5 either. I wasn't tweaked on the D850, but I think that may be a lot closer to what I expect vs the Z6 (just hate the bulk and weight for a third body to carry running around sidelines and fields). Once again, my perspective is skewed by using Nikon's best day in and day out, but I still expected more. I don't mean to step on anyone's shoes or makes judgments about what others consider to be acceptable vs what I do. These are my impressions and other people's are just as valid. Subjectivity is the key here and I'm OK with not being able to shoot a frame without a ball in it (I'm strictly a sports photographer), and I can't shoot a landscape to save my life.

It's kind of like comparing the 200-500/5.6 vs the 400/2.8E FL. Yes, one is $1500 and a 200-500 zoom - that's very valuable to many, if not most. On the other hand, the 400 performs in a way that's way beyond the 200-500 and some people are willing to pay for that, even given the "disadvantages" (such as a 300mm range zoom and $9500 price difference).

I think for most people, this is an awesome camera and most people will be very happy with it.



Nov 23, 2018 at 02:55 AM
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p.10 #5 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


Point and shoot shots ONLY!

With the Holidays here and work a plate full, I know that my biggest want right now is to learn the camera and learn to take pictures again. I took a whopping 30 pictures yesterday, and I know this does not help anyone advanced but for some with less exposure to photography I want to post. To the newbie, the Z6 is fun! The ability to capture usable images at ISO 6400 in poor light and hand held is awesome and the Z6 can do that. I am very impressed with the detail provided by the Z6 plus 24-70. The camera handles great and feels solid. Does it beat the Sony a7xxx, I have no idea. I like the Nikon shooting experience because things flow together just like they did on the D3,D3s,D4, and D4s. I did not like the Sony shooting experience with the a7xx series.
The only thing I do not like is not having light room opening RAW files. I hate shooting in anything but raw!!
Also, the first picture I posted here, shooting German Shepherds is a challenge when you throw both bright son and deep shade into the mix. That shot is nothing special of course, but it show to me that the Z6 (even in jpg) give you some options both to the right and left. I am anxious to get some RAW files to see how far they can be pushed in every day shooting.

Note: All cropped heavily.





Decent detail for kit zoom shooting jpg







Harsh bright sun but again decent jpg detail







ISO 6400- pretty clean







ISO 1600 and decent detail for kit zoom and jpg




Nov 23, 2018 at 06:12 AM
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p.10 #6 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


rxgolf wrote:
The only thing I do not like is not having light room opening RAW files. I hate shooting in anything but raw!!
I am anxious to get some RAW files to see how far they can be pushed in every day shooting.


Adobe DNG Converter 11.1 Beta supports the Z6. You can shoot RAW on your Z6, convert to DNG and open in LR.




Nov 23, 2018 at 06:55 AM
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p.10 #7 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


CLick7 wrote:
Adobe DNG Converter 11.1 Beta supports the Z6. You can shoot RAW on your Z6, convert to DNG and open in LR.



+1. It's simple and fast and you can always keep the original raw files and re-process later if you don't want to manage and store dng files long term.



Nov 23, 2018 at 09:26 AM
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p.10 #8 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


la puffin wrote:
I said earlier, I'm not expecting D5 and E lens performance, but I guess my perspective is influenced by my other gear.

On the plus side, as I mentioned, the high ISO performance is fantastic. I think the sensor itself produces beautiful images. That's the one thing I like about the D750, and I think this is better.

On the other hand, I'm not happy with the initial focus. It does better with close objects, but its more of a "swooop" vs the "ft" I'm used to with the D5 and 24-70/2.8E FL. It seems like I have to work to
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I agree completely with your assessment.. I shoot wildlife, not sports... but our needs are similar. I will not be reaching for the Z6 when rapid and erratic movements are likely. I will use my D500 (dx) or D4 (fx) for birds in flight and wildlife subjects where the motion is unpredictable (whales, dolphins, predator - prey interactions). On the flip side, the Z6 is perfect for wildlife landscapes where light is variable and subjects are slower and more easily tracked. I like the fact that focus is on the sensor, especially when photographing distant subjects.

Fingers are crossed for a firmware update that might improve acquisition time, or offer a tighter AF grouping in dynamic mode.
Finally, I am going to be adding some video to my wildlife work... I think that this camera will be perfect for this application.

regards,
bruce



Nov 23, 2018 at 09:56 AM
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p.10 #9 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


la puffin wrote:
I said earlier, I'm not expecting D5 and E lens performance, but I guess my perspective is influenced by my other gear.

On the plus side, as I mentioned, the high ISO performance is fantastic. I think the sensor itself produces beautiful images. That's the one thing I like about the D750, and I think this is better.

On the other hand, I'm not happy with the initial focus. It does better with close objects, but its more of a "swooop" vs the "ft" I'm used to with the D5 and 24-70/2.8E FL. It seems like I have to work to
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Have you tried it out with any faster adapted lenses? Noticed that mirrorless AF system performance (regardless of brand) is dependent on the max aperture of the lens - I found that the 28 f1.4E would lock focus in situations where the 24-70 f4 S would just endlessly hunt, even though the 28 f1.4E being adapted should theoretically have worse AF performance as it is only using phase detect (and not hybrid contrast plus phase detect AF). In any case, not surprised you find the Z6 AF performance deficient relative to your D5 and D850. I am hoping that Nikon works on this as the camera is in the field more in the hands of pros in a variety of situations, as aside from Fuji it's the only other mirrorless system that really attracts me right now.

Have my Z6 and 35 f1.8 S coming in the new year once I get back from a shoot in Vegas (to replace the Z7), and I'm really curious how AF will compare.



Nov 23, 2018 at 12:56 PM
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p.10 #10 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


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Please do mention if you find some viable solution - so far RRS has FTZ compatible l-bracket in the works (but it's 135 USD). Kirk is not compatible (and offers a separate l-bracket for just the ftz). Smallrig looks cheaper but... big.


Regarding Arca-Swiss compatible bases for the Z6/7:

I went to a big electronics store today for picking up some black friday loot and got a chance to handle a Z6 there. Man, that EVF is beautiful, I'll love shooting with this camera. Hope mine arrives sometime next week...

Anyway, the shop clerk was very helpful in trying out a baseplate with the camera. The smallest Arca-Swiss compatible one he had was 3x4cm, we managed to attach it to the base of the camera, but to make it align with the camera's bottom (which we measured at 3cm), we had to turn it so you would attach the camera sideways onto the ballhead (like with an L-bracket).

The good thing: it was no problem tilting the screen (the plate was not interfering with the screen movement and not in the way for our fingers) and the FTZ adapter could still be attached.

However, with the FTZ attached, it would not be possible to mount the camera onto a ballhead, because the adapter sits in front of the frontal part of the baseplate (I hope this makes sense, sorry I didn't take a quick photo in the shop). So what one would have to do is get two of these small Arca Swiss plates and attach one to the camera and one to the FTZ. However, that plate was so small and thin that I'm not sure I'd trust it with the camera and a 70-200...

Bottom line: if you want a sturdy solution to attach the Z6/7 to an Arca-Swiss mount while being able to quickly change between F and Z mount lenses, there seems to be no way around getting an L-bracket, at least at the time being.

Please point me to other solutions, if somebody knows any?

Markus



Nov 23, 2018 at 01:17 PM
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p.10 #11 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


Is there any real quality loss if one has to just keep DNG and discard Nikon raw?

RobCD wrote:
+1. It's simple and fast and you can always keep the original raw files and re-process later if you don't want to manage and store dng files long term.




Nov 23, 2018 at 01:44 PM
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p.10 #12 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


Sagar wrote:
Is there any real quality loss if one has to just keep DNG and discard Nikon raw?


I believe there will be no visible difference if you're using PS or LR to post process. Capture One doesn't like DNG files as much.



Nov 23, 2018 at 01:51 PM
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p.10 #13 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


Bohemien wrote:
Bottom line: if you want a sturdy solution to attach the Z6/7 to an Arca-Swiss mount while being able to quickly change between F and Z mount lenses, there seems to be no way around getting an L-bracket, at least at the time being.

Please point me to other solutions, if somebody knows any?

Markus


I need a cage for video work and found the following combo works well so far:

1. SmallRig Cage for Z6/Z7: https://www.smallrig.com/smallrig-cage-for-nikon-z6-nikon-z7-camera-2243.html
Added benefit is pinky rest.

2. 100mm generic QR plate on bottom of cage

3. 25mm generic QR plate on bottom of FTZ (mounted at 90 degrees)

I suppose I could mount a QR plate to the side of the cage for portrait orientation, but I have no need for that.

Full access to all controls, hatches, LCD etc. Looks like good solution for me using my RRS ballheads, monopod, video heads, etc. Probably not optimal for dedicated handheld shooting if weight and size are important.






Nov 23, 2018 at 01:58 PM
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p.10 #14 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


Sagar wrote:
Is there any real quality loss if one has to just keep DNG and discard Nikon raw?


DNG includes all of the RAW data. I have been converting my NEF files to DNG for years. Biggest exposure is if the DNG standard is ever abandoned and software that supports your old photos is discontinued. My assumption is that means of converting DNG to whatever supplants it will be available. Conversion to newer formats from NEF could be a problem. All this is way out in the future, probably long after my shutter finger falls off.




Nov 23, 2018 at 02:05 PM
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p.10 #15 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


CLick7 wrote:
Adobe DNG Converter 11.1 Beta supports the Z6. You can shoot RAW on your Z6, convert to DNG and open in LR.



For some odd reason I am not having much luck with it, might need to delete and re-download if.



Nov 23, 2018 at 03:58 PM
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For some odd reason I am not having much luck with it, might need to delete and re-download if.


It's not intuitively obvious. In step 1, you have to select the source folder that contains the NEF images. There you don't get to see the contents of that folder. After steps 1,2,3 & 4, you have to press "Convert".



Nov 23, 2018 at 04:07 PM
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CLick7 wrote:
It's not intuitively obvious. In step 1, you have to select the source folder that contains the NEF images. There you don't get to see the contents of that folder. After steps 1,2,3 & 4, you have to press "Convert".


Big time thanks!




Nov 23, 2018 at 07:32 PM
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p.10 #18 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


Some night photography examples in Vancouver, tripod, base iso, 24-70. Gentle crops here and there but nothing major.


West Hastings Street



Authorized Access Only



Port of Vancouver



Hotel Europe



Water Street



Angel Of Victory



Nov 23, 2018 at 10:54 PM
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p.10 #19 · Official Nikon Z6 image & resource hub thread


Nice crisp images Tek9


Nov 24, 2018 at 12:42 AM
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Tek9, you show what I was hoping for when I picked up the Z6. My days of shooting sports and BIF have been replaced by 18 holes and 14 clubs for the most part. What I want is to be able to shoot some landscape, some travel, some portraits, and some low light gatherings. As always, everyone will work through the Z6 and Z7 and see if they can do what the photographer hopes to do. We are seeing (as with every other camera) that the new Nikon offerings are not for everyone. Post like yours and ones from LanceB and others have shown that for some uses these cameras are wonderful options.
This is how we all learn and go forward to find what we are looking for. The journey for those of us shooting as a hobby is at least half the fun as cameras just keep getting better. I look back and am very appreciative for how far things have come from:
Trying to shoot HS Basketball with film and my pushed files up to 800 ISO were mostly noise,
The Nikon d80 was my first DSLR and how amazing it was to process my own (not so great) files,
The Nikon D3 and D3s were low light stars in the day if you did not need to print big,
The Canon 1DX did everything better than anything I had ever shot until I backpacked 14 miles in the Rockies at altitude with the 1DX, tripod, and enough lenses to bring my pack weight to 36 pounds,
The Sony a7rII was the answer for beautiful files and light weight if you kept the lenses reasonable but I never spent more time in menus and less time shooting than with that rig,
The Oly O-MD E M 1 II was light, intuitive, quick to focus, and wonderful lenses but noise was evident at lower ISO than I wanted to accept,
And the beat goes on as it does for many of us here at FM.

The Z6 can't compare to some of the best attributes to some of those I mentioned. But, I am really excited about the things it does well. Those things just happen to align well with what I currently want from a camera.

I am VERY impressed with two attributes:
1. Low light, high ISO noise seems to be about as good as it currently gets
2. The 24-70 range has hung more pictures on walls for me than any other and this one is at the very least the best I have ever used in this price range and maybe out of this price range.



Nov 24, 2018 at 07:25 AM
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