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Archive 2018Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
p.42 #1Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
LBJ2 wrote:
I do however believe the ZX1 in camera editing/connectivity concept might just be the beginning of a new process/workflow/distribution we could see implemented in other cameras at some point too. And this is what interests me, ZX1 or otherwise. IMO not difficult to see how the process could be useful for more that a few scenarios. E.g., what many are trying to do currently with the almost-there camera apps.
I really hope you're right here...but I hope that process is an effortless way to get the RAW on to my phone. It's a far more comfortable editing device for me.
I do however believe the ZX1 in camera editing/connectivity concept might just be the beginning of a new process/workflow/distribution we could see implemented in other cameras at some point too. And this is what interests me, ZX1 or otherwise. IMO not difficult to see how the process could be useful for more that a few scenarios. E.g., what many are trying to do currently with the almost-there camera apps.
I really hope you're right here...but I hope that process is an effortless way to get the RAW on to my phone. It's a far more comfortable editing device for me.
Nov 04, 2020 at 10:58 AM
p.42 #2Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Dave Sanders wrote:
I really hope you're right here...but I hope that process is an effortless way to get the RAW on to my phone. It's a far more comfortable editing device for me.
Why do you need raw on your phone? Wouldn't jpeg be good enough? What would the purpose of the phone edited image be?
LBJ2 wrote
I do however believe the ZX1 in camera editing/connectivity concept might just be the beginning of a new process/workflow/distribution we could see implemented in other cameras at some point too. And this is what interests me, ZX1 or otherwise. IMO not difficult to see how the process could be useful for more that a few scenarios. E.g., what many are trying to do currently with the almost-there camera apps.Why do you need raw on your phone? Wouldn't jpeg be good enough? What would the purpose of the phone edited image be?
Nov 04, 2020 at 11:04 AM
p.42 #3Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Dave Sanders wrote:
I really hope you're right here...but I hope that process is an effortless way to get the RAW on to my phone. It's a far more comfortable editing device for me.
I don't understand why Sony doesn't support RAW transfer from Camera to Mobile, Maybe some technical challenge that might be solved by the new processors (no idea). FWIW, I've always been able to transfer DNG/RAW from my Leica camera to mobile with the Leica Fotos app.
LBJ2 wrote
I do however believe the ZX1 in camera editing/connectivity concept might just be the beginning of a new process/workflow/distribution we could see implemented in other cameras at some point too. And this is what interests me, ZX1 or otherwise. IMO not difficult to see how the process could be useful for more that a few scenarios. E.g., what many are trying to do currently with the almost-there camera apps.I don't understand why Sony doesn't support RAW transfer from Camera to Mobile, Maybe some technical challenge that might be solved by the new processors (no idea). FWIW, I've always been able to transfer DNG/RAW from my Leica camera to mobile with the Leica Fotos app.
Nov 04, 2020 at 11:07 AM
p.42 #4Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
chez wrote:
I really hope you're right here...but I hope that process is an effortless way to get the RAW on to my phone. It's a far more comfortable editing device for me.Why do you need raw on your phone? Wouldn't jpeg be good enough? What would the purpose of the phone edited image be?
Yes, JPEG is good enough and it's what I currently use. If you click on my Instagram, a number of those photos were uploaded while I was still out shooting and they're edited JPEGs. I've been pounding the 'horses for courses' drum here and saying that the current solution is more than adequate for the 'problem' that Zeiss is trying to solve; if you need to immediately share to a platform that displays photos at significantly reduced quality, the JPEGs are more than good enough.
What I'm saying is that if a person is attached to the idea of editing RAW on the go, it's better to do that on your device.
Dave Sanders wrote
LBJ2 wrote
I do however believe the ZX1 in camera editing/connectivity concept might just be the beginning of a new process/workflow/distribution we could see implemented in other cameras at some point too. And this is what interests me, ZX1 or otherwise. IMO not difficult to see how the process could be useful for more that a few scenarios. E.g., what many are trying to do currently with the almost-there camera apps.Yes, JPEG is good enough and it's what I currently use. If you click on my Instagram, a number of those photos were uploaded while I was still out shooting and they're edited JPEGs. I've been pounding the 'horses for courses' drum here and saying that the current solution is more than adequate for the 'problem' that Zeiss is trying to solve; if you need to immediately share to a platform that displays photos at significantly reduced quality, the JPEGs are more than good enough.
What I'm saying is that if a person is attached to the idea of editing RAW on the go, it's better to do that on your device.
Nov 04, 2020 at 11:08 AM
p.42 #5Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
LBJ2 wrote:
I really hope you're right here...but I hope that process is an effortless way to get the RAW on to my phone. It's a far more comfortable editing device for me.I don't understand why Sony doesn't support RAW transfer from Camera to Mobile, Maybe some technical challenge that might be solved by the new processors (no idea). FWIW, I've always been able to transfer DNG/RAW from my Leica camera to mobile with the Leica Fotos app.
Yeah it's a puzzler. YouTube videos lead me to believe that Imaging Edge supports RAW transfer on Sony phones, but not any others. Or maybe it was a feature they had for a while then removed? Either way, if you notice, I find that fact annoying haha.
Dave Sanders wrote
LBJ2 wrote
I do however believe the ZX1 in camera editing/connectivity concept might just be the beginning of a new process/workflow/distribution we could see implemented in other cameras at some point too. And this is what interests me, ZX1 or otherwise. IMO not difficult to see how the process could be useful for more that a few scenarios. E.g., what many are trying to do currently with the almost-there camera apps.Yeah it's a puzzler. YouTube videos lead me to believe that Imaging Edge supports RAW transfer on Sony phones, but not any others. Or maybe it was a feature they had for a while then removed? Either way, if you notice, I find that fact annoying haha.
Nov 04, 2020 at 11:09 AM
p.42 #6Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
LBJ2 wrote:
I really hope you're right here...but I hope that process is an effortless way to get the RAW on to my phone. It's a far more comfortable editing device for me.I don't understand why Sony doesn't support RAW transfer from Camera to Mobile, Maybe some technical challenge that might be solved by the new processors (no idea). FWIW, I've always been able to transfer DNG/RAW from my Leica camera to mobile with the Leica Fotos app.
Easy to solve. Use FTP from camera to FTP server app on the mobile. There are plenty of free ones.
Dave Sanders wrote
LBJ2 wrote
I do however believe the ZX1 in camera editing/connectivity concept might just be the beginning of a new process/workflow/distribution we could see implemented in other cameras at some point too. And this is what interests me, ZX1 or otherwise. IMO not difficult to see how the process could be useful for more that a few scenarios. E.g., what many are trying to do currently with the almost-there camera apps.Easy to solve. Use FTP from camera to FTP server app on the mobile. There are plenty of free ones.
Nov 04, 2020 at 11:38 AM
p.42 #7Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Any FMer bought a ZX1 yet? I’m still fascinated by the ZX1.
Jan 08, 2022 at 12:20 PM
p.42 #8Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
gordec wrote:
Any FMer bought a ZX1 yet? I’m still fascinated by the ZX1.
I see you live in Dublin. I have friends that work at Carl Zeiss Meditec which is based in Dublin. Maybe you can see if someone can get you an employee discount.
I still completely miss the point of this camera. If you’re going to edit on the camera you may as well use an iPhone 13 and take advantage of the computational benefits it offers.
Otherwise use a top shelf 35mm lens on a real camera to get the most from your files.
Any FMer bought a ZX1 yet? I’m still fascinated by the ZX1.
I see you live in Dublin. I have friends that work at Carl Zeiss Meditec which is based in Dublin. Maybe you can see if someone can get you an employee discount.
I still completely miss the point of this camera. If you’re going to edit on the camera you may as well use an iPhone 13 and take advantage of the computational benefits it offers.
Otherwise use a top shelf 35mm lens on a real camera to get the most from your files.
Jan 08, 2022 at 12:59 PM
p.42 #9Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
liggy wrote:
gordec wrote
Any FMer bought a ZX1 yet? I’m still fascinated by the ZX1.I still completely miss the point of this camera. If you’re going to edit on the camera you may as well use an iPhone 13 and take advantage of the computational benefits it offers.
Otherwise use a top shelf 35mm lens on a real camera to get the most from your files.
The Sonnar on the RX1R line is still one of the best compact 35mm on any full frame camera fixed or interchangeable. The 35mm on the ZX1 has a different rendering from the limited online samples I see. It would be nice to have a direct comparison. If you can hook be up with a discount, if seriously think about getting a ZX1 to play with.
Jan 08, 2022 at 03:23 PM
p.42 #10Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
gordec wrote:
I see you live in Dublin. I have friends that work at Carl Zeiss Meditec which is based in Dublin. Maybe you can see if someone can get you an employee discount.
I still completely miss the point of this camera. If you’re going to edit on the camera you may as well use an iPhone 13 and take advantage of the computational benefits it offers.
Otherwise use a top shelf 35mm lens on a real camera to get the most from your files.The Sonnar on the RX1R line is still one of the best compact 35mm on any full frame camera fixed or interchangeable. The 35mm on the ZX1 has a different rendering from the limited online samples I see. It would be nice to have a direct comparison. If you can hook be up with a discount, if seriously think about getting a ZX1 to play with.
I’ll ask around. There’s a couple used ones at B&H and Adorama. I asked one of my pals about getting a Fuji lens for me years ago and the discount wasn’t much at all.
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gordec wrote
Any FMer bought a ZX1 yet? I’m still fascinated by the ZX1.I still completely miss the point of this camera. If you’re going to edit on the camera you may as well use an iPhone 13 and take advantage of the computational benefits it offers.
Otherwise use a top shelf 35mm lens on a real camera to get the most from your files.
I’ll ask around. There’s a couple used ones at B&H and Adorama. I asked one of my pals about getting a Fuji lens for me years ago and the discount wasn’t much at all.
Jan 08, 2022 at 03:32 PM
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p.42 #11Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
The iPhone sensor SUCKS. I highly doubt the ZX1 sensor sucks.
liggy wrote:
I see you live in Dublin. I have friends that work at Carl Zeiss Meditec which is based in Dublin. Maybe you can see if someone can get you an employee discount.
I still completely miss the point of this camera. If you’re going to edit on the camera you may as well use an iPhone 13 and take advantage of the computational benefits it offers.
Otherwise use a top shelf 35mm lens on a real camera to get the most from your files.
liggy wrote:
gordec wrote
Any FMer bought a ZX1 yet? I’m still fascinated by the ZX1.I still completely miss the point of this camera. If you’re going to edit on the camera you may as well use an iPhone 13 and take advantage of the computational benefits it offers.
Otherwise use a top shelf 35mm lens on a real camera to get the most from your files.
Jan 08, 2022 at 11:37 PM
p.42 #12Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
RoamingScott wrote:
The iPhone sensor SUCKS. I highly doubt the ZX1 sensor sucks.
I see you live in Dublin. I have friends that work at Carl Zeiss Meditec which is based in Dublin. Maybe you can see if someone can get you an employee discount.
I still completely miss the point of this camera. If you’re going to edit on the camera you may as well use an iPhone 13 and take advantage of the computational benefits it offers.
Otherwise use a top shelf 35mm lens on a real camera to get the most from your files.
OK, sure. No argument there from me.
But having a high quality sensor and lens and designing the camera for a workflow predicated on editing on the camera is like having a 911 GT3 and only using it to get groceries. A Prius would be a better tool for the job.
The iPhone sensor SUCKS. I highly doubt the ZX1 sensor sucks.
liggy wrote
gordec wrote
Any FMer bought a ZX1 yet? I’m still fascinated by the ZX1.I still completely miss the point of this camera. If you’re going to edit on the camera you may as well use an iPhone 13 and take advantage of the computational benefits it offers.
Otherwise use a top shelf 35mm lens on a real camera to get the most from your files.
OK, sure. No argument there from me.
But having a high quality sensor and lens and designing the camera for a workflow predicated on editing on the camera is like having a 911 GT3 and only using it to get groceries. A Prius would be a better tool for the job.
Jan 09, 2022 at 10:55 AM
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p.42 #13Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
I don’t disagree. It’s very easy to move RAW files from any camera to an Android or iOS device and use the most up to date version of LR Mobile on a nice big screen. The ZX1, as a photo editor, is beyond pointless.
liggy wrote:
I see you live in Dublin. I have friends that work at Carl Zeiss Meditec which is based in Dublin. Maybe you can see if someone can get you an employee discount.
I still completely miss the point of this camera. If you’re going to edit on the camera you may as well use an iPhone 13 and take advantage of the computational benefits it offers.
Otherwise use a top shelf 35mm lens on a real camera to get the most from your files.OK, sure. No argument there from me.
But having a high quality sensor and lens and designing the camera for a workflow predicated on editing on the camera is like having a 911 GT3 and only using it to get groceries. A Prius would be a better tool for the job.
liggy wrote:
RoamingScott wrote
The iPhone sensor SUCKS. I highly doubt the ZX1 sensor sucks.liggy wrote
gordec wrote
Any FMer bought a ZX1 yet? I’m still fascinated by the ZX1.I still completely miss the point of this camera. If you’re going to edit on the camera you may as well use an iPhone 13 and take advantage of the computational benefits it offers.
Otherwise use a top shelf 35mm lens on a real camera to get the most from your files.
But having a high quality sensor and lens and designing the camera for a workflow predicated on editing on the camera is like having a 911 GT3 and only using it to get groceries. A Prius would be a better tool for the job.
Jan 09, 2022 at 11:18 AM
p.42 #14Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
I actually saw a used one at B&H for $4k. How cheap will it have to get before someone here buys one out of curiousity?
Jan 09, 2022 at 03:54 PM
p.42 #15Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
gocolts wrote:
I actually saw a used one at B&H for $4k. How cheap will it have to get before someone here buys one out of curiousity?
I’d only pay about $1K for one.
Highly unlikely that it would be better than an A1 / 35GM or my latest infatuation - a Q2.
At $1K I could buy it, play for a week or two and flip when done.
I actually saw a used one at B&H for $4k. How cheap will it have to get before someone here buys one out of curiousity?
I’d only pay about $1K for one.
Highly unlikely that it would be better than an A1 / 35GM or my latest infatuation - a Q2.
At $1K I could buy it, play for a week or two and flip when done.
Jan 09, 2022 at 04:59 PM
p.42 #16Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
I don’t know if I’d need it to hit $1k. Maybe $3k? My concern is the reviews seemed to complain that the normal use of the camera could be a pain because of the interface / android. I wouldn’t want to be frustrated by day to day UI issues, even if I chose to ignore the Lightroom integration.
liggy wrote:
I’d only pay about $1K for one.
Highly unlikely that it would be better than an A1 / 35GM or my latest infatuation - a Q2.
At $1K I could buy it, play for a week or two and flip when done.
liggy wrote:
gocolts wrote
I actually saw a used one at B&H for $4k. How cheap will it have to get before someone here buys one out of curiousity? Highly unlikely that it would be better than an A1 / 35GM or my latest infatuation - a Q2.
At $1K I could buy it, play for a week or two and flip when done.
Jan 09, 2022 at 06:32 PM
p.42 #17Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
wdshuck wrote:
I don’t know if I’d need it to hit $1k. Maybe $3k? My concern is the reviews seemed to complain that the normal use of the camera could be a pain because of the interface / android. I wouldn’t want to be frustrated by day to day UI issues, even if I chose to ignore the Lightroom integration.
I’d only pay about $1K for one.
Highly unlikely that it would be better than an A1 / 35GM or my latest infatuation - a Q2.
At $1K I could buy it, play for a week or two and flip when done.
I would worry about software support. It's unclear if Zeiss is going to continue spending money on the ZX1 project. It's obviously unsuccessful.
I don’t know if I’d need it to hit $1k. Maybe $3k? My concern is the reviews seemed to complain that the normal use of the camera could be a pain because of the interface / android. I wouldn’t want to be frustrated by day to day UI issues, even if I chose to ignore the Lightroom integration.
liggy wrote
gocolts wrote
I actually saw a used one at B&H for $4k. How cheap will it have to get before someone here buys one out of curiousity? Highly unlikely that it would be better than an A1 / 35GM or my latest infatuation - a Q2.
At $1K I could buy it, play for a week or two and flip when done.
I would worry about software support. It's unclear if Zeiss is going to continue spending money on the ZX1 project. It's obviously unsuccessful.
Jan 09, 2022 at 06:41 PM
p.42 #18Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
liggy wrote:
I’d only pay about $1K for one.
Highly unlikely that it would be better than an A1 / 35GM or my latest infatuation - a Q2.
At $1K I could buy it, play for a week or two and flip when done.
I’d be willing to pay $250 for one and use it as a novelty paper weight.
I’d only pay about $1K for one.
Highly unlikely that it would be better than an A1 / 35GM or my latest infatuation - a Q2.
At $1K I could buy it, play for a week or two and flip when done.
I’d be willing to pay $250 for one and use it as a novelty paper weight.
Jan 09, 2022 at 06:45 PM
p.42 #19Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Fred Miranda wrote:
I’d only pay about $1K for one.
Highly unlikely that it would be better than an A1 / 35GM or my latest infatuation - a Q2.
At $1K I could buy it, play for a week or two and flip when done.I would worry about software support. It's unclear if Zeiss is going to continue spending money on the ZX1 project. It's obviously unsuccessful.
Chances seem very good it'll end up being an expensive orphan. An answer to an unasked question.
wdshuck wrote
I don’t know if I’d need it to hit $1k. Maybe $3k? My concern is the reviews seemed to complain that the normal use of the camera could be a pain because of the interface / android. I wouldn’t want to be frustrated by day to day UI issues, even if I chose to ignore the Lightroom integration.liggy wrote
gocolts wrote
I actually saw a used one at B&H for $4k. How cheap will it have to get before someone here buys one out of curiousity? Highly unlikely that it would be better than an A1 / 35GM or my latest infatuation - a Q2.
At $1K I could buy it, play for a week or two and flip when done.
Chances seem very good it'll end up being an expensive orphan. An answer to an unasked question.
Jan 09, 2022 at 07:14 PM
p.42 #20Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
I'll confess to not "getting" the whole "single focal length" camera idea. Zero interest here in products of this sort.
Jan 09, 2022 at 09:27 PM