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Archive 2018Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
p.5 #2Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
uhoh7 wrote:
There must be a printer in there too, right?
Yes! That is the one missing!
There must be a printer in there too, right?
Yes! That is the one missing!
Sep 29, 2018 at 03:39 AM
p.5 #3Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
The least desirable camera released this year.
Too Quirky, too slow, too big, too little resolution for my use, hate lightroom and touchscreens and use my phone to edit if required (almost never).
No stabilisation and 3fps Zeiss?
I've bought the Z7 and have 3 7R's, considering another camera but definitely not this one.
Too Quirky, too slow, too big, too little resolution for my use, hate lightroom and touchscreens and use my phone to edit if required (almost never).
No stabilisation and 3fps Zeiss?
I've bought the Z7 and have 3 7R's, considering another camera but definitely not this one.
Sep 29, 2018 at 05:32 AM
p.5 #4Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Zeiss really went off the rails with this abomination!
Sep 29, 2018 at 07:53 AM
p.5 #5Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Fred Miranda wrote:
That's surprising. Even the upcoming Ricoh GR III will have IBIS (3-axis). However, adding IBIS to the ZX1 would make it even heavier!
Yes IBIS (or at least lens OS) has become a standard feature now I think, and IBIS has the real advantage for us who chose lenses with no OS, or adapt older lenses. I just returned from 2 weeks in Scotland and the Lakes and IBIS utterly saved my bacon as my checked bag with all my clothes and my tripod went missing for almost a week, yet I was still able to get good sharp images, many with smoothed fast flowing water (there was plenty of it in the air as well, including during the gale last week)
Mike
mcbroomf wrote
No ibis kills it for meYes IBIS (or at least lens OS) has become a standard feature now I think, and IBIS has the real advantage for us who chose lenses with no OS, or adapt older lenses. I just returned from 2 weeks in Scotland and the Lakes and IBIS utterly saved my bacon as my checked bag with all my clothes and my tripod went missing for almost a week, yet I was still able to get good sharp images, many with smoothed fast flowing water (there was plenty of it in the air as well, including during the gale last week
)Mike
Sep 29, 2018 at 08:13 AM
p.5 #6Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
With the rear element (speculated to) almost touching the sensor, there is no chance of IBIS.
Zeiss also may not have access to the technology.
Zeiss also may not have access to the technology.
Sep 29, 2018 at 08:19 AM
p.5 #7Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
realVivek wrote:
With the rear element (speculated to) almost touching the sensor, there is no chance of IBIS.
Zeiss also may not have access to the technology.
Good point! Lens stabilization would be a better approach but has some negatives as well.
With the rear element (speculated to) almost touching the sensor, there is no chance of IBIS.
Zeiss also may not have access to the technology.
Good point! Lens stabilization would be a better approach but has some negatives as well.
Sep 29, 2018 at 08:31 AM
p.5 #8Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
This is much more niche product than I had anticipated. Good effort on creativity. But a very strong No.
What is the point of editing on Camera when we have phones like the iPhone XS that get better each year.
What is the point of editing on Camera when we have phones like the iPhone XS that get better each year.
Sep 29, 2018 at 08:43 AM
p.5 #9Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Pricing will dictate market success. As to whether Zeiss can make a profit on it, that's for them to figure out between now and release day.
At present -financial considerations aside - I am not really interested in this type of camera. Baking so much software into a body simultaneously worries yet excites me.
Battery life seems a challenge for a concept like this.
At present -financial considerations aside - I am not really interested in this type of camera. Baking so much software into a body simultaneously worries yet excites me.
Battery life seems a challenge for a concept like this.
Sep 29, 2018 at 08:55 AM
p.5 #10Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Audii-Dudii wrote:
It appears that you’re not aware of how to use the RX1's macro ring to manually and/or zone-focus the camera and prevent it from resetting the focus to infinity when it awakes from sleeping or is turned off and then on again.
Here's the procedure:
Step One: Set the macro ring to the “0.3m – infinity” position.
Step Two: Focus the lens at infinity using either manual focus or autofocus.
Step Three: Focus on the desired subject by slowly turning the macro ring from the “0.3m – infinity” position toward the “0.2m – 0.35m” position.
Step Four: Stop turning the macro ring whenever the...Show more →
TY for reminding me about the macro ring method, which I was working on when I bascially gave up on the camera. I had some great help here to learn it, and I know many use RX1rii well and enjoy it.
Here is what could be offered:
DSC00904 by unoh7, on Flickr
Dump everything to do with AF. Add a stabilizer for the sensor. Let the screen flip. FF obviously, so it will be a bit bigger. Not much. Not a tool for everything. A tool for every day, everywhere, every bag, since it's so compact. Tune covergass for those RF lenses, which are still being made today, and are still unbeaten balancing size and performance.
Fundamentals, like zone-focus, are basics for a reason. They work fantastic. Simple and effective. Even more so with the great new low-light sensors.
Lack of AF does not mean the little monster coud not stream, or utilize many of the latest digital options. For hybrid shooting, it's not a serious fault, because filmakers seldom use AF in production.
uhoh7 wrote
If the body is small and can use any mount, auto-focus not needed. It's the main reason I seldom use the RX1rii. A mechanical 35 on that camera would be so niceHere's the procedure:
Step One: Set the macro ring to the “0.3m – infinity” position.
Step Two: Focus the lens at infinity using either manual focus or autofocus.
Step Three: Focus on the desired subject by slowly turning the macro ring from the “0.3m – infinity” position toward the “0.2m – 0.35m” position.
Step Four: Stop turning the macro ring whenever the...Show more →
TY for reminding me about the macro ring method, which I was working on when I bascially gave up on the camera. I had some great help here to learn it, and I know many use RX1rii well and enjoy it.
Here is what could be offered:
DSC00904 by unoh7, on Flickr
Dump everything to do with AF. Add a stabilizer for the sensor. Let the screen flip. FF obviously, so it will be a bit bigger. Not much. Not a tool for everything. A tool for every day, everywhere, every bag, since it's so compact. Tune covergass for those RF lenses, which are still being made today, and are still unbeaten balancing size and performance.
Fundamentals, like zone-focus, are basics for a reason. They work fantastic. Simple and effective. Even more so with the great new low-light sensors.
Lack of AF does not mean the little monster coud not stream, or utilize many of the latest digital options. For hybrid shooting, it's not a serious fault, because filmakers seldom use AF in production.
Sep 29, 2018 at 01:09 PM
p.5 #11Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
uhoh7 wrote:
Tune covergass for those RF lenses, which are still being made today, and are still unbeaten balancing size and performance.
If this ever happens, it will be great!
But that said, I can't imagine a major camera manufacturer (which is why Ricoh doesn't count) ever optimizing the performance of a camera for lenses it neither makes nor sells, especially when doing so potentially will compromise the performance of the lenses that it does make and sell.
And I can't see a high-volume manufacturer, such as Sony, ever making a niche camera or lenses such as you've described so long as they're already making another niche camera, such as the RXIrII.
Of course, my background is engineering, not marketing, so what do I know?
Tune covergass for those RF lenses, which are still being made today, and are still unbeaten balancing size and performance.
If this ever happens, it will be great!
But that said, I can't imagine a major camera manufacturer (which is why Ricoh doesn't count) ever optimizing the performance of a camera for lenses it neither makes nor sells, especially when doing so potentially will compromise the performance of the lenses that it does make and sell.
And I can't see a high-volume manufacturer, such as Sony, ever making a niche camera or lenses such as you've described so long as they're already making another niche camera, such as the RXIrII.
Of course, my background is engineering, not marketing, so what do I know?
Sep 29, 2018 at 01:21 PM
p.5 #12Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Fred Miranda wrote:
Zeiss also may not have access to the technology.Good point! Lens stabilization would be a better approach but has some negatives as well.
The 85 Batis is stabilized--I think it's more of the element being on top of the sensor, but then again, I don't know optics as well as many here.
realVivek wrote
With the rear element (speculated to) almost touching the sensor, there is no chance of IBIS.Zeiss also may not have access to the technology.
The 85 Batis is stabilized--I think it's more of the element being on top of the sensor, but then again, I don't know optics as well as many here.
Sep 29, 2018 at 01:57 PM
p.5 #14Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Sorry to disagree with all the naysayers, but I love the look of this camera. It's wonderful that it's got an aperture ring, shutter speed and ISO dials, which along with the shutter release comprise all the basic controls in a time proven form. Traditional controls like these are wonderful because even when the camera is off you can tell what settings you have, and you don't have to try to remember which direction to spin any unit-less multifunction dial to change settings as desired. I'm not sure how often I'd use the built-in LR CC software, because I usually do multi-image triptychs and tetraptychs, but it would be better than my iPhone's camera for the occasional sharing for sure. 35mm is my favorite focal length now, though I also adore 28mm. This seems like an excellent every day carry or travel camera, and will probably be excellent for everything from street photography to landscape and night photo work.
Sep 29, 2018 at 05:58 PM
p.5 #15Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
SteveDK wrote:
Sorry to disagree with all the naysayers, but I love the look of this camera. It's wonderful that it's got an aperture ring, shutter speed and ISO dials, which along with the shutter release comprise all the basic controls in a time proven form. Traditional controls like these are wonderful because even when the camera is off you can tell what settings you have, and you don't have to try to remember which direction to spin any unit-less multifunction dial to change settings as desired. I'm not sure how often I'd use the built-in LR CC software, because I usually...Show more →
I agree. I'd like a few more physical controls, but I assume that AF points will perhaps be selectable with multitouch and gestures which should mitigate a lot of concerns. I don't have the money to purchase this, but if I did, I'd be intrigued enough to try it.
Sorry to disagree with all the naysayers, but I love the look of this camera. It's wonderful that it's got an aperture ring, shutter speed and ISO dials, which along with the shutter release comprise all the basic controls in a time proven form. Traditional controls like these are wonderful because even when the camera is off you can tell what settings you have, and you don't have to try to remember which direction to spin any unit-less multifunction dial to change settings as desired. I'm not sure how often I'd use the built-in LR CC software, because I usually...Show more →
I agree. I'd like a few more physical controls, but I assume that AF points will perhaps be selectable with multitouch and gestures which should mitigate a lot of concerns. I don't have the money to purchase this, but if I did, I'd be intrigued enough to try it.
Sep 29, 2018 at 08:12 PM
p.5 #16Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
I really like the dials (aperture, shutter and ISO) but the exposure compensation dial is missing.
If I could only have two dials on top, it would be shutter speed and exposure compensation as I usually set ISO to auto or 100.
If I could only have two dials on top, it would be shutter speed and exposure compensation as I usually set ISO to auto or 100.
Sep 29, 2018 at 11:24 PM
p.5 #17Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Wish it followed the Loxia design instead of the Batis. Wish it didn’t have the SSD or the in camera editing (probably two big contributors to the large size). And the large screen, expected editing, and wifi require a large battery adding to the size and weight. Pass for me.
Sep 30, 2018 at 12:02 AM
p.5 #18Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
If they brought this out in an M-mount, I would buy it immediately - heck, I'd probably even pay Leica prices for it.
As it is, I love the concept. Built-in Lightroom makes it the perfect travel camera for me (Hi, I'm a millennial. We exist, and we ruin lots of things, but also make really great $6 coffee). To me, it's the first truly innovative camera since the Sony A7. Like it or not, this is the future. I think people are also underestimating how fantastic that EVF is going to be.
All in all, a solid future hype ying to my beat-to-hell Leica M9 yang.
As it is, I love the concept. Built-in Lightroom makes it the perfect travel camera for me (Hi, I'm a millennial. We exist, and we ruin lots of things, but also make really great $6 coffee). To me, it's the first truly innovative camera since the Sony A7. Like it or not, this is the future. I think people are also underestimating how fantastic that EVF is going to be.
All in all, a solid future hype ying to my beat-to-hell Leica M9 yang.
Sep 30, 2018 at 12:03 AM
p.5 #19Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Hopefully they will price it around 6-7k mark and a lower priced Sony RX1 III will appear soon.
Sep 30, 2018 at 03:17 AM
p.5 #20Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
I came around and voted Maybe ( also wanted to see the results so far). I've never purchased an advanced level fixed lens camera before for many reasons. But I am someone always very interested in innovative processes and products which is probably the reason I bought into Sony mirrorless six years ago. Yes, I am maybe one of a few that really liked the Sony in-camera apps concept and have hopes Sony will one day bring back something similar now that they have some lessons-learned under their belt.
Lot to like IMO about what the ZX1 camera proposes to do. I'm not so interested in the design as long as design doesn't impede funtionality, I bought and use all the Batis lenses afterall. I do hope the ZX1 processor can keep up for a pleasant user experience and not distract from all the forwarding thinking designed into the ZX1.
Lot to like IMO about what the ZX1 camera proposes to do. I'm not so interested in the design as long as design doesn't impede funtionality, I bought and use all the Batis lenses afterall. I do hope the ZX1 processor can keep up for a pleasant user experience and not distract from all the forwarding thinking designed into the ZX1.
Sep 30, 2018 at 06:11 AM