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Archive 2018Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
p.36 #1Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Processing in the field is not something I need nor am I interested in it.
That said:
I think I'd much rather send my raws to an ipad or similar device than use the back of a camera.
Not trying to be snarky but I really don't understand what this camera gets you....
That said:
I think I'd much rather send my raws to an ipad or similar device than use the back of a camera.
Not trying to be snarky but I really don't understand what this camera gets you....
Oct 06, 2020 at 09:12 PM
p.36 #2Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
DaveFP wrote:
Processing in the field is not something I need nor am I interested in it.
That said:
I think I'd much rather send my raws to an ipad or similar device than use the back of a camera.
Not trying to be snarky but I really don't understand what this camera gets you....
It gets you the ability to process RAW files on site and then transfer much smaller derived JPEG files to your other devices or to the internet.
Processing in the field is not something I need nor am I interested in it.
That said:
I think I'd much rather send my raws to an ipad or similar device than use the back of a camera.
Not trying to be snarky but I really don't understand what this camera gets you....
It gets you the ability to process RAW files on site and then transfer much smaller derived JPEG files to your other devices or to the internet.
Oct 06, 2020 at 10:04 PM
p.36 #3Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
AcuteShadows wrote:
That said:
I think I'd much rather send my raws to an ipad or similar device than use the back of a camera.
Not trying to be snarky but I really don't understand what this camera gets you....It gets you the ability to process RAW files on site and then transfer much smaller derived JPEG files to your other devices or to the internet.
But who, with a $6,000 camera, is concerned with the storage space on their hard drive? At that point you are better served with an RX1 II and a RAID array, unless this ends up being something completely unprecedented in terms of performance.
DaveFP wrote
Processing in the field is not something I need nor am I interested in it.That said:
I think I'd much rather send my raws to an ipad or similar device than use the back of a camera.
Not trying to be snarky but I really don't understand what this camera gets you....
But who, with a $6,000 camera, is concerned with the storage space on their hard drive? At that point you are better served with an RX1 II and a RAID array, unless this ends up being something completely unprecedented in terms of performance.
Oct 07, 2020 at 12:07 AM
p.36 #4Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
DaveFP wrote:
Not trying to be snarky but I really don't understand what this camera gets you....
It gets you a continuous source of distraction that undermines your ability to engage deeply with the subject(s) you are attempting to photograph. The perfect tool for anyone whose attention span has been destroyed by social media.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GO8HZIW/
Not trying to be snarky but I really don't understand what this camera gets you....
It gets you a continuous source of distraction that undermines your ability to engage deeply with the subject(s) you are attempting to photograph. The perfect tool for anyone whose attention span has been destroyed by social media.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GO8HZIW/
Oct 07, 2020 at 01:03 AM
p.36 #5Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
austinschutz wrote:
That said:
I think I'd much rather send my raws to an ipad or similar device than use the back of a camera.
Not trying to be snarky but I really don't understand what this camera gets you....It gets you the ability to process RAW files on site and then transfer much smaller derived JPEG files to your other devices or to the internet.But who, with a $6,000 camera, is concerned with the storage space on their hard drive? At that point you are better served with an RX1 II and a RAID array, unless this ends up being something completely unprecedented in terms of performance.
I think it's not about file size as such, but transfer time.
AcuteShadows wrote
DaveFP wrote
Processing in the field is not something I need nor am I interested in it.That said:
I think I'd much rather send my raws to an ipad or similar device than use the back of a camera.
Not trying to be snarky but I really don't understand what this camera gets you....
I think it's not about file size as such, but transfer time.
Oct 07, 2020 at 05:18 AM
p.36 #6Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
genji wrote:
It gets you a continuous source of distraction that undermines your ability to engage deeply with the subject(s) you are attempting to photograph. The perfect tool for anyone whose attention span has been destroyed by social media.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GO8HZIW/
I think the same was probably said when LCD screens were first introduced to the back of digital cameras, ergo "Chimping"
The ZX1 workflow concept has already been put to very successful practice for several years now with thousands of mobile phone photographers and snappers all over the world. To me it makes sense to want to replicate this hugely successful approach/workflow with a proper sensor. Why not. The ZX1 is just the beginning of what's to come for high-end photography gear IMO.
DaveFP wrote
Not trying to be snarky but I really don't understand what this camera gets you....https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GO8HZIW/
I think the same was probably said when LCD screens were first introduced to the back of digital cameras, ergo "Chimping"
The ZX1 workflow concept has already been put to very successful practice for several years now with thousands of mobile phone photographers and snappers all over the world. To me it makes sense to want to replicate this hugely successful approach/workflow with a proper sensor. Why not. The ZX1 is just the beginning of what's to come for high-end photography gear IMO.
Oct 07, 2020 at 08:47 AM
p.36 #7Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
AcuteShadows wrote:
That said:
I think I'd much rather send my raws to an ipad or similar device than use the back of a camera.
Not trying to be snarky but I really don't understand what this camera gets you....It gets you the ability to process RAW files on site and then transfer much smaller derived JPEG files to your other devices or to the internet.But who, with a $6,000 camera, is concerned with the storage space on their hard drive? At that point you are better served with an RX1 II and a RAID array, unless this ends up being something completely unprecedented in terms of performance.I think it's not about file size as such, but transfer time.
Seems like it would take way more time to edit photos in camera to transfer.
austinschutz wrote
AcuteShadows wrote
DaveFP wrote
Processing in the field is not something I need nor am I interested in it.That said:
I think I'd much rather send my raws to an ipad or similar device than use the back of a camera.
Not trying to be snarky but I really don't understand what this camera gets you....
Seems like it would take way more time to edit photos in camera to transfer.
Oct 07, 2020 at 01:04 PM
p.36 #8Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
austinschutz wrote:
That said:
I think I'd much rather send my raws to an ipad or similar device than use the back of a camera.
Not trying to be snarky but I really don't understand what this camera gets you....It gets you the ability to process RAW files on site and then transfer much smaller derived JPEG files to your other devices or to the internet.That depends on whether you apply extensive post-processing or just some changes like contrast, raising shadows, white balance, lens color cast profiles and perspective correction.
But who, with a $6,000 camera, is concerned with the storage space on their hard drive? At that point you are better served with an RX1 II and a RAID array, unless this ends up being something completely unprecedented in terms of performance.I think it's not about file size as such, but transfer time.Seems like it would take way more time to edit photos in camera to transfer.
AcuteShadows wrote
austinschutz wrote
AcuteShadows wrote
DaveFP wrote
Processing in the field is not something I need nor am I interested in it.That said:
I think I'd much rather send my raws to an ipad or similar device than use the back of a camera.
Not trying to be snarky but I really don't understand what this camera gets you....
But who, with a $6,000 camera, is concerned with the storage space on their hard drive? At that point you are better served with an RX1 II and a RAID array, unless this ends up being something completely unprecedented in terms of performance.
Oct 07, 2020 at 01:12 PM
p.36 #9Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
More time and nowhere near as good of a final product. Fine fir average or online but nothing critical or an image which requires more than basic to moderate editing.
I know what someone will say if it’s not good enough OOC it’s not good enough. I disagree
austinschutz wrote:
AcuteShadows wrote
austinschutz wrote
AcuteShadows wrote
DaveFP wrote
Processing in the field is not something I need nor am I interested in it.That said:
I think I'd much rather send my raws to an ipad or similar device than use the back of a camera.
Not trying to be snarky but I really don't understand what this camera gets you....
Oct 07, 2020 at 01:21 PM
p.36 #10Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
trstahly wrote:
More time and nowhere near as good of a final product. Fine fir average or online but nothing critical or an image which requires more than basic to moderate editing.
I know what someone will say if it’s not good enough OOC it’s not good enough. I disagree
That said:
I think I'd much rather send my raws to an ipad or similar device than use the back of a camera.
Not trying to be snarky but I really don't understand what this camera gets you....It gets you the ability to process RAW files on site and then transfer much smaller derived JPEG files to your other devices or to the internet.But who, with a $6,000 camera, is concerned with the storage space on their hard drive? At that point you are better served with an RX1 II and a RAID array, unless this ends up being something completely unprecedented in terms of performance.I think it's not about file size as such, but transfer time.Seems like it would take way more time to edit photos in camera to transfer.
I think it'd be a great additional feature to a camera, e.g. I'm on a trip, take a photo, and want to quickly post a family update, trip update, etc. but that's about it, and even then, most people (not me) have smart phones they can transfer the photo to.
More time and nowhere near as good of a final product. Fine fir average or online but nothing critical or an image which requires more than basic to moderate editing.
I know what someone will say if it’s not good enough OOC it’s not good enough. I disagree
austinschutz wrote
AcuteShadows wrote
austinschutz wrote
AcuteShadows wrote
DaveFP wrote
Processing in the field is not something I need nor am I interested in it.That said:
I think I'd much rather send my raws to an ipad or similar device than use the back of a camera.
Not trying to be snarky but I really don't understand what this camera gets you....
I think it'd be a great additional feature to a camera, e.g. I'm on a trip, take a photo, and want to quickly post a family update, trip update, etc. but that's about it, and even then, most people (not me) have smart phones they can transfer the photo to.
Oct 07, 2020 at 01:25 PM
p.36 #11Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
LBJ2 wrote:
The ZX1 workflow concept has already been put to very successful practice for several years now with thousands of mobile phone photographers and snappers all over the world. To me it makes sense to want to replicate this hugely successful approach/workflow with a proper sensor. Why not. The ZX1 is just the beginning of what's to come for high-end photography gear IMO.
Mobile phone photography is popular because the device can do a host of other activities (principally communication but also other things) and fits in a small pocket. The ZX1 doesn't fit in a pocket and is quite heavy.
I think the camera would become very popular if it could be made 50% lighter. At 800 grams, people generally expect interchangeable lenses and/or an optical zoom.
The ZX1 workflow concept has already been put to very successful practice for several years now with thousands of mobile phone photographers and snappers all over the world. To me it makes sense to want to replicate this hugely successful approach/workflow with a proper sensor. Why not. The ZX1 is just the beginning of what's to come for high-end photography gear IMO.
Mobile phone photography is popular because the device can do a host of other activities (principally communication but also other things) and fits in a small pocket. The ZX1 doesn't fit in a pocket and is quite heavy.
I think the camera would become very popular if it could be made 50% lighter. At 800 grams, people generally expect interchangeable lenses and/or an optical zoom.
Oct 07, 2020 at 02:12 PM
p.36 #12Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
austinschutz wrote:
I know what someone will say if it’s not good enough OOC it’s not good enough. I disagree
But who, with a $6,000 camera, is concerned with the storage space on their hard drive? At that point you are better served with an RX1 II and a RAID array, unless this ends up being something completely unprecedented in terms of performance.I think it's not about file size as such, but transfer time.Seems like it would take way more time to edit photos in camera to transfer.I think it'd be a great additional feature to a camera, e.g. I'm on a trip, take a photo, and want to quickly post a family update, trip update, etc. but that's about it, and even then, most people (not me) have smart phones they can transfer the photo to.
It seems to me that people need to come up with unlikely hypotheticals to rationalize this camera. To quickly post a family update on what's going on with a trip, the photos that come out of my iPhone are fine.
If I'm on a trip and want to edit and post a higher quality photo from my hotel room, there's always my RX1Rii ( or substitute your favorite travel camera) plus editing on my iPad Pro, which is with me on trips anyways and serves a multitude of other purpose. In fact the "favorite travel camera" plus iPad Pro will probably be cheaper than the ZX1 and weigh less with a lot more functionality.
trstahly wrote
More time and nowhere near as good of a final product. Fine fir average or online but nothing critical or an image which requires more than basic to moderate editing.I know what someone will say if it’s not good enough OOC it’s not good enough. I disagree
austinschutz wrote
AcuteShadows wrote
austinschutz wrote
AcuteShadows wrote
It gets you the ability to process RAW files on site and then transfer much smaller derived JPEG files to your other devices or to the internet.It seems to me that people need to come up with unlikely hypotheticals to rationalize this camera. To quickly post a family update on what's going on with a trip, the photos that come out of my iPhone are fine.
If I'm on a trip and want to edit and post a higher quality photo from my hotel room, there's always my RX1Rii ( or substitute your favorite travel camera) plus editing on my iPad Pro, which is with me on trips anyways and serves a multitude of other purpose. In fact the "favorite travel camera" plus iPad Pro will probably be cheaper than the ZX1 and weigh less with a lot more functionality.
Oct 07, 2020 at 02:21 PM
p.36 #13Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
DaveFP wrote:
Processing in the field is not something I need nor am I interested in it.
That said:
I think I'd much rather send my raws to an ipad or similar device than use the back of a camera.
Not trying to be snarky but I really don't understand what this camera gets you....
Yep, you want the processing to be in a smartphone or tablet where all innovation is occurring... no software developer is going to invest much in the software embedded in a camera. All the development resources are going to iOS or Android platform. The Zeiss will probably get one or two firmware updates for obvious bugs during the camera's lifetime.
You want to use the software on your mobile device to manage and edit images, and use the image capture device in the mobile itself or for enthusiasts like ourselves have the mobile well integrated with a separate large sensor capture device (camera) that supports fast transfer speeds.
Good luck having our beloved camera hardware manufacturers figure that one out. Kind of wish Samsung had stuck around the camera market and built a great ecosystem around large sensor photo/video devices and their mobile biz.
Processing in the field is not something I need nor am I interested in it.
That said:
I think I'd much rather send my raws to an ipad or similar device than use the back of a camera.
Not trying to be snarky but I really don't understand what this camera gets you....
Yep, you want the processing to be in a smartphone or tablet where all innovation is occurring... no software developer is going to invest much in the software embedded in a camera. All the development resources are going to iOS or Android platform. The Zeiss will probably get one or two firmware updates for obvious bugs during the camera's lifetime.
You want to use the software on your mobile device to manage and edit images, and use the image capture device in the mobile itself or for enthusiasts like ourselves have the mobile well integrated with a separate large sensor capture device (camera) that supports fast transfer speeds.
Good luck having our beloved camera hardware manufacturers figure that one out. Kind of wish Samsung had stuck around the camera market and built a great ecosystem around large sensor photo/video devices and their mobile biz.
Oct 07, 2020 at 02:24 PM
p.36 #14Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
It only makes sense if you have the immediate need to post quasi high quality images (superior to phones) to someone who wants these high quality images in a time-sensitive context. Seconds must count!
Otherwise, it's the wrong tool. So if you take out the PJ lot who are already served well in their environments, who else is there who would not be happy with a phone shot of a raccoon or a rainbow out of a phone? See how far phones have come since Zeiss first floated the slab. They are trying to sell a product without a clear and ongoing need for it.
The sinister aspect is that photography is 'just the start' of the device's capabilities. But it can never - never - perform proper image preparation which requires both care in selection and close inspection on a CM monitor (still have not heard if the screen is colour managed and can be profiled, maybe that does not matter either in Oberkochen). If it's not colour-managed, it's garbage in any case.
Otherwise, it's the wrong tool. So if you take out the PJ lot who are already served well in their environments, who else is there who would not be happy with a phone shot of a raccoon or a rainbow out of a phone? See how far phones have come since Zeiss first floated the slab. They are trying to sell a product without a clear and ongoing need for it.
The sinister aspect is that photography is 'just the start' of the device's capabilities. But it can never - never - perform proper image preparation which requires both care in selection and close inspection on a CM monitor (still have not heard if the screen is colour managed and can be profiled, maybe that does not matter either in Oberkochen). If it's not colour-managed, it's garbage in any case.
Oct 07, 2020 at 03:59 PM
p.36 #15Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
philip_pj wrote:
It only makes sense if you have the immediate need to post quasi high quality images (superior to phones) to someone who wants these high quality images in a time-sensitive context. Seconds must count!
Otherwise, it's the wrong tool. So if you take out the PJ lot who are already served well in their environments, who else is there who would not be happy with a phone shot of a raccoon or a rainbow out of a phone? See how far phones have come since Zeiss first floated the slab. They are trying to sell a product without a clear...Show more →
Absolutely - If the screen is not a high-resolution wide-gamut color-managed display how can you possibly do anything remotely critical
How about the environment? I process my images in a virtually dark room.
Maybe that's not important to everyone but I think it might be important for people dropping 6K on a camera.
I can get nice snapshots from my phone......
It only makes sense if you have the immediate need to post quasi high quality images (superior to phones) to someone who wants these high quality images in a time-sensitive context. Seconds must count!
Otherwise, it's the wrong tool. So if you take out the PJ lot who are already served well in their environments, who else is there who would not be happy with a phone shot of a raccoon or a rainbow out of a phone? See how far phones have come since Zeiss first floated the slab. They are trying to sell a product without a clear...Show more →
Absolutely - If the screen is not a high-resolution wide-gamut color-managed display how can you possibly do anything remotely critical
How about the environment? I process my images in a virtually dark room.
Maybe that's not important to everyone but I think it might be important for people dropping 6K on a camera.
I can get nice snapshots from my phone......
Oct 07, 2020 at 05:11 PM
p.36 #16Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Zeiss gets to say they were first but what good are bragging rights two years after genrating the buzz? It was a novel idea two years ago and still has merit just not $6,000 worth of merit.
A smaller ZX1 as a regular digital camera like the much hoped for RX1r III and more user friendly and better than the Leica Q2 for less money would have been a much more salable camera.
There is a place for a camera of this type I suppose but the market is limited unless it is priced at $2,500 or sub $2,000 in reality.
It does not have to have a Zeiss quality lens and 47mp, a very good APS-C or FF 24mp camera that had even iPhone editing where you could share quickly on the fly would probably sell very well. I would probably get one myself.
Very few products (if and when the thing is ready to ship) ever sell in quantity when they cost three times more money than 98% of the people are willing to pay.
Couple that with the fact that the camera will be outdated a year after it is released and it makes even less sense, you can only add so much functionality with software/firmware updates.
Someone will undoubtedly blow them out of the water when and if the demand it there and all they will have left is we were first. What ever trips your trigger but it makes no sense to me.
A smaller ZX1 as a regular digital camera like the much hoped for RX1r III and more user friendly and better than the Leica Q2 for less money would have been a much more salable camera.
There is a place for a camera of this type I suppose but the market is limited unless it is priced at $2,500 or sub $2,000 in reality.
It does not have to have a Zeiss quality lens and 47mp, a very good APS-C or FF 24mp camera that had even iPhone editing where you could share quickly on the fly would probably sell very well. I would probably get one myself.
Very few products (if and when the thing is ready to ship) ever sell in quantity when they cost three times more money than 98% of the people are willing to pay.
Couple that with the fact that the camera will be outdated a year after it is released and it makes even less sense, you can only add so much functionality with software/firmware updates.
Someone will undoubtedly blow them out of the water when and if the demand it there and all they will have left is we were first. What ever trips your trigger but it makes no sense to me.
Oct 07, 2020 at 05:25 PM
p.36 #17Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
LBJ2 wrote:
The ZX1 is just the beginning of what's to come for high-end photography gear IMO.
You’re 100% correct. Hopefully Leica will continue to make very slightly updated versions of the M for those of us who derive neither pleasure nor satisfaction from relying on the camera to do all the work.
The ZX1 is just the beginning of what's to come for high-end photography gear IMO.
You’re 100% correct. Hopefully Leica will continue to make very slightly updated versions of the M for those of us who derive neither pleasure nor satisfaction from relying on the camera to do all the work.
Oct 07, 2020 at 07:52 PM
p.36 #18Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
trstahly wrote:
Zeiss gets to say they were first but what good are bragging rights two years after genrating the buzz? It was a novel idea two years ago and still has merit just not $6,000 worth of merit.
A smaller ZX1 as a regular digital camera like the much hoped for RX1r III and more user friendly and better than the Leica Q2 for less money would have been a much more salable camera.
There is a place for a camera of this type I suppose but the market is limited unless it is priced at $2,500 or sub $2,000 in reality.
It does...Show more →
I just don't think this is important for Zeiss. If other companies sell more cameras than Zeiss, then they can always point out that they sell optical systems for particle accelerators while those other companies sell none.
Zeiss gets to say they were first but what good are bragging rights two years after genrating the buzz? It was a novel idea two years ago and still has merit just not $6,000 worth of merit.
A smaller ZX1 as a regular digital camera like the much hoped for RX1r III and more user friendly and better than the Leica Q2 for less money would have been a much more salable camera.
There is a place for a camera of this type I suppose but the market is limited unless it is priced at $2,500 or sub $2,000 in reality.
It does...Show more →
I just don't think this is important for Zeiss. If other companies sell more cameras than Zeiss, then they can always point out that they sell optical systems for particle accelerators while those other companies sell none.
Oct 07, 2020 at 08:37 PM
p.36 #20Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
LBJ2 wrote:
It gets you a continuous source of distraction that undermines your ability to engage deeply with the subject(s) you are attempting to photograph. The perfect tool for anyone whose attention span has been destroyed by social media.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GO8HZIW/I think the same was probably said when LCD screens were first introduced to the back of digital cameras, ergo "Chimping"
The ZX1 workflow concept has already been put to very successful practice for several years now with thousands of mobile phone photographers and snappers all over the world. To me it makes sense to want to replicate this hugely successful approach/workflow with a proper sensor. Why not. The ZX1 is just the beginning of what's to come for high-end photography gear IMO.
I've seen thousands of people take tens of thousands of photos and I have, literally, never seen a single one, ever, take a RAW photo and then edit on their phone. It's just not how the average user engages with a photo taken on a smartphone. Zero hassle, zero fuss. This is the exact opposite of that. Super expensive, lots of hassle, more fuss.
genji wrote
DaveFP wrote
Not trying to be snarky but I really don't understand what this camera gets you....https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GO8HZIW/
The ZX1 workflow concept has already been put to very successful practice for several years now with thousands of mobile phone photographers and snappers all over the world. To me it makes sense to want to replicate this hugely successful approach/workflow with a proper sensor. Why not. The ZX1 is just the beginning of what's to come for high-end photography gear IMO.
I've seen thousands of people take tens of thousands of photos and I have, literally, never seen a single one, ever, take a RAW photo and then edit on their phone. It's just not how the average user engages with a photo taken on a smartphone. Zero hassle, zero fuss. This is the exact opposite of that. Super expensive, lots of hassle, more fuss.
Oct 07, 2020 at 11:49 PM