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Archive 2018Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
p.35 #1Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Juha Kannisto wrote:
But with the X1D II and most other cameras, you need to transfer the large RAW files to the phone, if you don't want to lose quality and flexibility in subsequent editing. With this camera, you can edit first, and then send a resized version to your phone or directly to an internet location or social network.It'll be interesting to find out what Social Media is actually integrated and directly supported from ZX1's UI. On Zeiss ZX1 page they just say "Social Media: Yes" without any specifics. In the very early days after ZX1 was announced 2 years ago their promo video showed Drop Box integration and Zeiss were in talks for supporting various other Social Media integration but there's no clear information about that integration level anywhere as far as I've seen. I don't suppose it will work like a full-blown Android Wi-Fi tablet including Google GMS apps & Google Play access for downloading...Show more →
Yes, very curious to see what has happened in two years with regards to social media partner services/apps. But now even Canon provides a direct connection of RAW files from the camera to the cloud with some recent glitches, but to me this camera-to-cloud function is the future.
*FWIW, in the past I've waited for many months for some B&H preorders. So there still could be some time yet to wait.
AcuteShadows wrote
Wesley Perrault wrote
IMHO Hasselblad beat them to the punch with the X1D II & the 45P. Price is close and you can do your edits with a Bluetooth connected ipad or iphone.Yes, very curious to see what has happened in two years with regards to social media partner services/apps. But now even Canon provides a direct connection of RAW files from the camera to the cloud with some recent glitches, but to me this camera-to-cloud function is the future.
*FWIW, in the past I've waited for many months for some B&H preorders. So there still could be some time yet to wait.
Oct 05, 2020 at 05:35 AM
p.35 #2Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
I predict this will be a huge hit, as at least 12-15 people in the world will buy this. That's enough to cover the R&D, right?
I am curious as to what version of Android they'll be running too, given this has been in development for so long. Watch it release with Oreo or something.
I am curious as to what version of Android they'll be running too, given this has been in development for so long. Watch it release with Oreo or something.
Oct 05, 2020 at 06:21 AM
p.35 #3Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
LBJ2 wrote:
But with the X1D II and most other cameras, you need to transfer the large RAW files to the phone, if you don't want to lose quality and flexibility in subsequent editing. With this camera, you can edit first, and then send a resized version to your phone or directly to an internet location or social network.It'll be interesting to find out what Social Media is actually integrated and directly supported from ZX1's UI. On Zeiss ZX1 page they just say "Social Media: Yes" without any specifics. In the very early days after ZX1 was announced 2 years ago their promo video showed Drop Box integration and Zeiss were in talks for supporting various other Social Media integration but there's no clear information about that integration level anywhere as far as I've seen. I don't suppose it will work like a full-blown Android Wi-Fi tablet including Google GMS apps & Google Play access for downloading any Android apps. More likely a forked Android which requires tailored apps and close co-operation between Zeiss and each integration application / service provider. Anyway, I think they should provide more details on how it actually works now that it is available for pre-orders in the U.S.
Anyway, I'm not considering buying it but would be curious to see detailed reviews and how it actually works.Yes, very curious to see what has happened in two years with regards to social media partner services/apps. But now even Canon provides a direct connection of RAW files from the camera to the cloud with some recent glitches, but to me this camera-to-cloud function is the future.
*FWIW, in the past I've waited for many months for some B&H preorders. So there still could be some time yet to wait.
Also, there are no signs of preorders outside of U.S. so far as far as I know. Zeiss never made it clear which markets would see the product either, e.g. no idea about Japan release, or China release etc. It could have potential to sell in Asian markets but this type of product will require more integration with regional services (such as locally popular social media) especially in China where those services are totally different from western markets + full UI localization and more customer support etc. so it's definitely an interesting challenge. I suppose they will start with some western markets only, e.g. U.S. and some select European markets at first.
As for camera-to-cloud, I would personally be happy if I had an easy camera to phone RAW file transfer capability but it's not there with my current cameras yet. From Sigma fp I can transfer RAW (DNGs) to phone with a USB C to C cable (a bit clunky though) and with my Sony Cameras I haven't figured out a nice way for RAW files yet since Imaging Edge Mobile doesn't transfer them. I'll need to try and see if I can make USB C to C cable transfer work from A7c to my phone later once I get the camera. Otherwise I'm happy with smartphone based editing/uploading options and not missing a seamless transfer to cloud. I guess full scale camera-to-cloud could become realistic in a few years in markets that have fast & low cost high speed mobile networks.
Juha Kannisto wrote
AcuteShadows wrote
Wesley Perrault wrote
IMHO Hasselblad beat them to the punch with the X1D II & the 45P. Price is close and you can do your edits with a Bluetooth connected ipad or iphone.Anyway, I'm not considering buying it but would be curious to see detailed reviews and how it actually works.
*FWIW, in the past I've waited for many months for some B&H preorders. So there still could be some time yet to wait.
Also, there are no signs of preorders outside of U.S. so far as far as I know. Zeiss never made it clear which markets would see the product either, e.g. no idea about Japan release, or China release etc. It could have potential to sell in Asian markets but this type of product will require more integration with regional services (such as locally popular social media) especially in China where those services are totally different from western markets + full UI localization and more customer support etc. so it's definitely an interesting challenge. I suppose they will start with some western markets only, e.g. U.S. and some select European markets at first.
As for camera-to-cloud, I would personally be happy if I had an easy camera to phone RAW file transfer capability but it's not there with my current cameras yet. From Sigma fp I can transfer RAW (DNGs) to phone with a USB C to C cable (a bit clunky though) and with my Sony Cameras I haven't figured out a nice way for RAW files yet since Imaging Edge Mobile doesn't transfer them. I'll need to try and see if I can make USB C to C cable transfer work from A7c to my phone later once I get the camera. Otherwise I'm happy with smartphone based editing/uploading options and not missing a seamless transfer to cloud. I guess full scale camera-to-cloud could become realistic in a few years in markets that have fast & low cost high speed mobile networks.
Oct 05, 2020 at 06:31 AM
p.35 #4Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
I would like to have been a fly on the wall at the meeting when they were discussing this camera and the release of this goofy thing?
Better yet be able to read the minds of some of the people in that room.
Better yet be able to read the minds of some of the people in that room.
Oct 05, 2020 at 07:46 AM
p.35 #5Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
It seems like one of those sequential things that gets out of control:
"would be nice to advertise our lenses on our own complete package"
"lets model it on the Sony RX1"
"add a few more features"
"we'll determine price after we've done all the work"
"oh dear, whoops, a bit high."
"we've already done all the research and prototyping, so lets just go ahead, and call this PR"
"would be nice to advertise our lenses on our own complete package"
"lets model it on the Sony RX1"
"add a few more features"
"we'll determine price after we've done all the work"
"oh dear, whoops, a bit high."
"we've already done all the research and prototyping, so lets just go ahead, and call this PR"
Oct 05, 2020 at 08:00 AM
p.35 #6Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Or there will be something out that is ten times better for a fraction of the cost but we were first!
Oct 05, 2020 at 08:27 AM
p.35 #7Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
LBJ2 wrote:
[...] to me this camera-to-cloud function is the future.
Nobody complaints about fast internet.
The complete dependence upon it is the problem.
[...] to me this camera-to-cloud function is the future.
Nobody complaints about fast internet.
The complete dependence upon it is the problem.
Oct 05, 2020 at 09:02 AM
p.35 #8Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Sauseschritt wrote:
Nobody complaints about fast internet.
The complete dependence upon it is the problem.
Yes. Of course connectivity is not always available everywhere. Or if it is might be too slow or too costly for some locations. Same with the long standing very successful mobile phone ecosystem. Most cameras already provide multiple ways to pull/send data off the camera to external storage:
-Some form USB
-Bluetooth
-Wifi / Hotspot
-FTP
-Cloud (I predict we will see more of this for traditional camera systems)
-SD and other format cards
The ZX1 in particular:
"Finally, helping to organize and get your images out into the world, the ZX1 is outfitted with a slew of connectivity options, ranging from Wi-Fi and Bluetooth to a USB Type-C connector for offloading directly to an external hard drive. In terms of saving imagery on the camera, a built-in 512GB SSD offers an impressive amount of storage space for your photos and videos, along with the possibility to organize files into collections for faster navigation."
LBJ2 wrote
[...] to me this camera-to-cloud function is the future.The complete dependence upon it is the problem.
Yes. Of course connectivity is not always available everywhere. Or if it is might be too slow or too costly for some locations. Same with the long standing very successful mobile phone ecosystem. Most cameras already provide multiple ways to pull/send data off the camera to external storage:
-Some form USB
-Bluetooth
-Wifi / Hotspot
-FTP
-Cloud (I predict we will see more of this for traditional camera systems)
-SD and other format cards
The ZX1 in particular:
"Finally, helping to organize and get your images out into the world, the ZX1 is outfitted with a slew of connectivity options, ranging from Wi-Fi and Bluetooth to a USB Type-C connector for offloading directly to an external hard drive. In terms of saving imagery on the camera, a built-in 512GB SSD offers an impressive amount of storage space for your photos and videos, along with the possibility to organize files into collections for faster navigation."
Oct 05, 2020 at 09:33 AM
p.35 #9Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
trstahly wrote:
Better yet be able to read the minds of some of the people in that room.
"Fire the Camera Division. We'll never live this down."
Better yet be able to read the minds of some of the people in that room.
"Fire the Camera Division. We'll never live this down."
Oct 05, 2020 at 09:44 AM
p.35 #10Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Juha Kannisto wrote:
But with the X1D II and most other cameras, you need to transfer the large RAW files to the phone, if you don't want to lose quality and flexibility in subsequent editing. With this camera, you can edit first, and then send a resized version to your phone or directly to an internet location or social network.It'll be interesting to find out what Social Media is actually integrated and directly supported from ZX1's UI. On Zeiss ZX1 page they just say "Social Media: Yes" without any specifics. In the very early days after ZX1 was announced 2 years ago their promo video showed Drop Box integration and Zeiss were in talks for supporting various other Social Media integration but there's no clear information about that integration level anywhere as far as I've seen. I don't suppose it will work like a full-blown Android Wi-Fi tablet including Google GMS apps & Google Play access for downloading...Show more →
I think that a significant part of price is due to the customization of the apps and the long-term agreements Zeiss may have entered into with social media providers. The ZX1 apparently also communicates directly with NAS devices, which tablets usually cannot do. It certainly has the technical requirements to realize smooth access to social media, though it needs to be seen how comprehensive the servicing of the apps will be. I guess there will also be direct internet access via browser that will work (albeit more slowly) if there are issues with apps.
AcuteShadows wrote
Wesley Perrault wrote
IMHO Hasselblad beat them to the punch with the X1D II & the 45P. Price is close and you can do your edits with a Bluetooth connected ipad or iphone.I think that a significant part of price is due to the customization of the apps and the long-term agreements Zeiss may have entered into with social media providers. The ZX1 apparently also communicates directly with NAS devices, which tablets usually cannot do. It certainly has the technical requirements to realize smooth access to social media, though it needs to be seen how comprehensive the servicing of the apps will be. I guess there will also be direct internet access via browser that will work (albeit more slowly) if there are issues with apps.
Oct 05, 2020 at 09:53 AM
p.35 #11Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
rancherpix wrote:
"Fire the Camera Division. We'll never live this down."
I'd love the opportunity to give each of the Zeiss ZX1 product team a High Five for daring to step out of the well warn camera path. Likewise, IF the B&H preorder is indeed a reliable indicator of a coming ZX1, Double Kudos to Zeiss for holding fast against whatever obstacles they faced internally and externally over the last two years that kept them from launching the ZX1 sooner.
trstahly wrote
Better yet be able to read the minds of some of the people in that room.I'd love the opportunity to give each of the Zeiss ZX1 product team a High Five for daring to step out of the well warn camera path. Likewise, IF the B&H preorder is indeed a reliable indicator of a coming ZX1, Double Kudos to Zeiss for holding fast against whatever obstacles they faced internally and externally over the last two years that kept them from launching the ZX1 sooner.
Oct 05, 2020 at 10:06 AM
p.35 #12Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
NunoC wrote:
So, what's left for Zeiss on E-mount?
Hard to say... They've filled most areas with Loxia and Batis lens lines. I guess the only area they have left to explore on E-Mount is the huge, very expensive, no compromise area, i.e. Otus or maybe even some good fast glass like the Milvus lenses.
So, what's left for Zeiss on E-mount?
Hard to say... They've filled most areas with Loxia and Batis lens lines. I guess the only area they have left to explore on E-Mount is the huge, very expensive, no compromise area, i.e. Otus or maybe even some good fast glass like the Milvus lenses.
Oct 05, 2020 at 11:21 AM
p.35 #13Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
I too applaud Zeiss for pushing the envelope, but I do not give my managers kudos or praise for working hard or sticking to their guns if the endeavor is a loser.
You do not get any points for finishing something that the market does not accept, which missed the mark by two years and at double or triple the price unless it is strictly a halo camera for PR. Mfg's do this now and then like the BMW i8 for example but they are big time money losers. Mercedes lost $400,000 to $500,000 on every Maybach they sold most feel the latter figure is more accurate.
Obviously nobody knows how well it works when it comes to editing, workflow, sending images much less the usability and functioning of the camera yet so the jury is still out.
I don't think anyone has any concerns about the IQ of the images but that hardly makes it a camera I would want ot own and take with me when I already have a a7rIV and almost all of the GM/Voigtlander lenses. I am not sure it would sell in sufficent quanity at $2,000 to justify releasing it?
I like the idea but it seems more like a tool for the news industry, social media people, instagrammers and such but not photographers. There is no way I am going to edit on a camera LCD instead of my 27" 5k screen with full versions of LR, PS & Topaz and other plug-ins. Not this week at least.
You do not get any points for finishing something that the market does not accept, which missed the mark by two years and at double or triple the price unless it is strictly a halo camera for PR. Mfg's do this now and then like the BMW i8 for example but they are big time money losers. Mercedes lost $400,000 to $500,000 on every Maybach they sold most feel the latter figure is more accurate.
Obviously nobody knows how well it works when it comes to editing, workflow, sending images much less the usability and functioning of the camera yet so the jury is still out.
I don't think anyone has any concerns about the IQ of the images but that hardly makes it a camera I would want ot own and take with me when I already have a a7rIV and almost all of the GM/Voigtlander lenses. I am not sure it would sell in sufficent quanity at $2,000 to justify releasing it?
I like the idea but it seems more like a tool for the news industry, social media people, instagrammers and such but not photographers. There is no way I am going to edit on a camera LCD instead of my 27" 5k screen with full versions of LR, PS & Topaz and other plug-ins. Not this week at least.
Oct 05, 2020 at 11:42 AM
p.35 #14Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=Zeiss+ZX%21&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=
I don't see that this link works any more. Has Zeiss already pulled back from their plans? Or, is it just no longer on B&H Photo?
I don't see that this link works any more. Has Zeiss already pulled back from their plans? Or, is it just no longer on B&H Photo?
Oct 05, 2020 at 12:51 PM
p.35 #15Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
seanj wrote:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=Zeiss+ZX%21&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=
I don't see that this link works any more. Has Zeiss already pulled back from their plans? Or, is it just no longer on B&H Photo?
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1563757/25#15366797
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=Zeiss+ZX%21&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=
I don't see that this link works any more. Has Zeiss already pulled back from their plans? Or, is it just no longer on B&H Photo?
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1563757/25#15366797
Oct 05, 2020 at 01:04 PM
p.35 #16Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Fred Miranda wrote:
I don't see that this link works any more. Has Zeiss already pulled back from their plans? Or, is it just no longer on B&H Photo?https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1563757/25#15366797
I am not sure how Zeiss can screw this up any worse than they already have but from what I have seen concerning this camera for the last two years one hand does not appear to know what the other does at least in their camera division or department.
seanj wrote
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=Zeiss+ZX%21&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=I don't see that this link works any more. Has Zeiss already pulled back from their plans? Or, is it just no longer on B&H Photo?
I am not sure how Zeiss can screw this up any worse than they already have but from what I have seen concerning this camera for the last two years one hand does not appear to know what the other does at least in their camera division or department.
Oct 05, 2020 at 01:14 PM
p.35 #17Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
NorthWinterSky wrote:
Hard to say... They've filled most areas with Loxia and Batis lens lines. I guess the only area they have left to explore on E-Mount is the huge, very expensive, no compromise area, i.e. Otus or maybe even some good fast glass like the Milvus lenses.
They could do a Sigma and port Otus/Milvus to E-mount. But what's the point? Even if you only shoot Sony, resale value would be higher if you buy those for EF or F-mount. With RF and Z-mount closed, I don't see them doing a mirrorless line any time soon.
This truly seems like a dead end, which is sad, to say the least.
NunoC wrote
So, what's left for Zeiss on E-mount?They could do a Sigma and port Otus/Milvus to E-mount. But what's the point? Even if you only shoot Sony, resale value would be higher if you buy those for EF or F-mount. With RF and Z-mount closed, I don't see them doing a mirrorless line any time soon.
This truly seems like a dead end, which is sad, to say the least.
Oct 05, 2020 at 04:01 PM
p.35 #18Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
I only wish it had a phone built in so we could see some rich knob with the camera glued to his ear.
Oct 05, 2020 at 08:20 PM
p.35 #19Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
AGeoJO wrote:
Wow, not a single vote for the ZX1 here as of right now. Has the Zeiss marketing group failed to identify the market situation and what would be selling well?
Maybe if we had a price first?
Wow, not a single vote for the ZX1 here as of right now. Has the Zeiss marketing group failed to identify the market situation and what would be selling well?
Maybe if we had a price first?
Oct 05, 2020 at 10:16 PM
p.35 #20Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Leica28 wrote:
Maybe if we had a price first?
$6,000 is the posted price.
AGeoJO wrote
Wow, not a single vote for the ZX1 here as of right now. Has the Zeiss marketing group failed to identify the market situation and what would be selling well?$6,000 is the posted price.
Oct 06, 2020 at 07:57 PM