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p.33 #1Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
JVan_02 wrote:
You all made me think this was coming out now
If it were, would you get one?
You all made me think this was coming out now
If it were, would you get one?
Sep 26, 2020 at 11:31 AM
p.33 #2Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Tora_2097 wrote:
This past Tuesday, there was an advertisement on Zeiss' German global vision Instagram account with a woman holding the ZX1 in her hands (the add was for the pair of glasses she wore though).
A commentator remarked that the glasses are nice but what about the camera? Zeiss answered that select individuals are currently field testing the unit. Sadly I cannot find that particular add anymore, but it was recent und from official Zeiss sources.
They have me curious in general, since their lens output has really dropped to zero...
At least they are using the lens as prop in order to sell eye glasses.
This past Tuesday, there was an advertisement on Zeiss' German global vision Instagram account with a woman holding the ZX1 in her hands (the add was for the pair of glasses she wore though).
A commentator remarked that the glasses are nice but what about the camera? Zeiss answered that select individuals are currently field testing the unit. Sadly I cannot find that particular add anymore, but it was recent und from official Zeiss sources.
They have me curious in general, since their lens output has really dropped to zero...
At least they are using the lens as prop in order to sell eye glasses.
Sep 26, 2020 at 11:33 AM
p.33 #3Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
DaveFP wrote:
A commentator remarked that the glasses are nice but what about the camera? Zeiss answered that select individuals are currently field testing the unit. Sadly I cannot find that particular add anymore, but it was recent und from official Zeiss sources.
They have me curious in general, since their lens output has really dropped to zero...Field testing = looking for a suitable field where all the unsold ZX1 cameras can be buried.Ouch.
You said "dump".
genji wrote
Tora_2097 wrote
This past Tuesday, there was an advertisement on Zeiss' German global vision Instagram account with a woman holding the ZX1 in her hands (the add was for the pair of glasses she wore though).A commentator remarked that the glasses are nice but what about the camera? Zeiss answered that select individuals are currently field testing the unit. Sadly I cannot find that particular add anymore, but it was recent und from official Zeiss sources.
They have me curious in general, since their lens output has really dropped to zero...
You said "dump".
Sep 26, 2020 at 11:34 AM
p.33 #4Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Fred Miranda wrote:
If it were, would you get one?
Now that the 7c is out it's more tricky, as IIRC this thing is near a kilo anyway. I'd be a lot more inclined if:
Always wanted a fixed lens compact, and this thing doesn't seem to have the rx1's problem of being so small that its AF is capped by a unit focus design—and they might better their (or Sony's?) efforts with the 35 sonnar. Suffice to say I'm interested, but definitely not committed.
If it were, would you get one?
Now that the 7c is out it's more tricky, as IIRC this thing is near a kilo anyway. I'd be a lot more inclined if:
- Sealing were confirmed (in the video ad released ~a year ago, the photog took it out in the rain but the spec sheet says no)
- It had optical stabilization (even a little, just want to eliminate camera shake near the FL rule for normal subjects)
- Better MFD
Always wanted a fixed lens compact, and this thing doesn't seem to have the rx1's problem of being so small that its AF is capped by a unit focus design—and they might better their (or Sony's?) efforts with the 35 sonnar. Suffice to say I'm interested, but definitely not committed.
Sep 26, 2020 at 12:06 PM
p.33 #5Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Fred Miranda wrote:
If it were, would you get one?
Old people imaging:
Here is where I was.
Here is what I did.
Young people imaging:
Here is where I am.
Here is what I am doing.
This camera is for young people.
I am not young people.
JVan_02 wrote
You all made me think this was coming out nowOld people imaging:
Here is where I was.
Here is what I did.
Young people imaging:
Here is where I am.
Here is what I am doing.
This camera is for young people.
I am not young people.
Sep 26, 2020 at 12:16 PM
p.33 #6Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
The thing is that there not many interesting cameras in the market. Most of them are really just copies of each other just varying specs a little (Sony, Canon and Nikon are all the same). Cameras should be tools for creativity, but instead we get the same camera over and over again. Sure we get 'better image quality' and other tech-oriented measures, but it doesn't show in how we make pictures. Is going from Sony A7RIII to A7RIV somehow different than going from a 4 megapixel camera to 6 megapixel camera some decade ago? No wonder camera industry is in trouble.
Someone should bridge the gap between old and new (ie. traditional 35mm cameras and phones) and I welcome every innovation trying to do so as I think these are far more interesting than the typical cameras we have been offered for so long. Sure the new RX1 would be nice, but it still rests on the traditional concept of the 35mm camera. And it's okay to like it (and live it in your photography), it's just doesn't offer anything new or interesting from a historical point of view (more megapixels or 'more image quality' does not count at all because it's not economical or technological evolution).
Zeiss ZX1 is a nice concept. Get rid of the old infrastructure of the traditional cameras (Bionz and all) and build a new kind of camera on an Android operating system - and change the way the camera is supposed to work. Of course we don't know if it works or not, but someone has to lead the way. Pretty sure the ZX1 concept has already been copied to idea-folders of many manufacturers.
After succeeding creating a lead to car industry Henry Ford said that in the begining 'people didn't want cars they just wanted faster horses'. What this means that 99% of the people doesn't recognize the innovation because they are already so invested in the old institutions which guides their minds and imagination. Only after institutional change the significant innovations are recognized. If one is going to change the way how photography is done one cannot keep repeating the old behaviour and solutions. These new concepts are really the only interesting part of the photography industry. ..well ok, the new lenses are kind of cool as well..
Someone should bridge the gap between old and new (ie. traditional 35mm cameras and phones) and I welcome every innovation trying to do so as I think these are far more interesting than the typical cameras we have been offered for so long. Sure the new RX1 would be nice, but it still rests on the traditional concept of the 35mm camera. And it's okay to like it (and live it in your photography), it's just doesn't offer anything new or interesting from a historical point of view (more megapixels or 'more image quality' does not count at all because it's not economical or technological evolution).
Zeiss ZX1 is a nice concept. Get rid of the old infrastructure of the traditional cameras (Bionz and all) and build a new kind of camera on an Android operating system - and change the way the camera is supposed to work. Of course we don't know if it works or not, but someone has to lead the way. Pretty sure the ZX1 concept has already been copied to idea-folders of many manufacturers.
After succeeding creating a lead to car industry Henry Ford said that in the begining 'people didn't want cars they just wanted faster horses'. What this means that 99% of the people doesn't recognize the innovation because they are already so invested in the old institutions which guides their minds and imagination. Only after institutional change the significant innovations are recognized. If one is going to change the way how photography is done one cannot keep repeating the old behaviour and solutions. These new concepts are really the only interesting part of the photography industry. ..well ok, the new lenses are kind of cool as well..
Sep 26, 2020 at 12:40 PM
p.33 #7Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Kalainen wrote:
The thing is that there not many interesting cameras in the market. Most of them are really just copies of each other just varying specs a little (Sony, Canon and Nikon are all the same). Cameras should be tools for creativity, but instead we get the same camera over and over again. Sure we get 'better image quality' and other tech-oriented measures, but it doesn't show in how we make pictures. Is going from Sony A7RIII to A7RIV somehow different than going from a 4 megapixel camera to 6 megapixel camera some decade ago? No wonder camera industry is in...Show more →
If you look at the beginning of this thread, there were criticism but also praise for the ZX1's innovation. I agree with you and it's a shame Zeiss was not able to bring this concept to reality. It's unfortunate but they deserve the backlash after presenting a product that never materialized. That's the risk of being innovative and trying to break the mold.
The thing is that there not many interesting cameras in the market. Most of them are really just copies of each other just varying specs a little (Sony, Canon and Nikon are all the same). Cameras should be tools for creativity, but instead we get the same camera over and over again. Sure we get 'better image quality' and other tech-oriented measures, but it doesn't show in how we make pictures. Is going from Sony A7RIII to A7RIV somehow different than going from a 4 megapixel camera to 6 megapixel camera some decade ago? No wonder camera industry is in...Show more →
If you look at the beginning of this thread, there were criticism but also praise for the ZX1's innovation. I agree with you and it's a shame Zeiss was not able to bring this concept to reality. It's unfortunate but they deserve the backlash after presenting a product that never materialized. That's the risk of being innovative and trying to break the mold.
Sep 26, 2020 at 12:49 PM
p.33 #8Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Fred Miranda wrote:
Someone should bridge the gap between old and new (ie. traditional 35mm cameras and phones) and I welcome every innovation trying to do so as I think these are far more interesting than the typical cameras we have been offered for so long. Sure the new RX1 would be nice, but it still rests on the traditional concept of the 35mm camera. And it's okay to like it (and live it in your photography), it's just doesn't offer anything new or interesting from a historical point of view (more megapixels or 'more image quality' does not count at all because it's not economical or technological evolution).
Zeiss ZX1 is a nice concept. Get rid of the old infrastructure of the traditional cameras (Bionz and all) and build a new kind of camera on an Android operating system - and change the way the camera is supposed to work. Of course we don't know if it works or not, but someone has to lead the way. Pretty sure the ZX1 concept has already been copied to idea-folders of many manufacturers.
After succeeding creating a lead to car industry Henry Ford said that in the begining 'people didn't want cars they just wanted faster horses'. What this means that 99% of the people doesn't recognize the innovation because they are already so invested in the old institutions which guides their minds and imagination. Only after institutional change the significant innovations are recognized. If one is going to change the way how photography is done one cannot keep repeating the old behaviour and solutions. These new concepts are really the only interesting part of the photography industry. ..well ok, the new lenses are kind of cool as well..If you look at the beginning of this thread, there were criticism but also praise for the ZX1's innovation. I agree with you and it's a shame Zeiss was not able to bring this concept to reality. It's unfortunate but they deserve the backlash after presenting a product that never materialized. That's the risk of being innovative and trying to break the mold.
Is it that they could not bring the concept to reality or is it that they determined that the market for such a thing was not large enough to warrant its production?
The vast majority of young people have no interest in lugging a dedicated imaging device around and few serious enthusiasts
want to do involved processing with the back of a camera.
Add in the Zei$$ factor and they probably realized this would be DOA.
I think that if I were a Zeiss shareholder I would be relieved with their decision.
Maybe those now-redundant engineers can come up with the nice 28 that we have been longing for!
Kalainen wrote
The thing is that there not many interesting cameras in the market. Most of them are really just copies of each other just varying specs a little (Sony, Canon and Nikon are all the same). Cameras should be tools for creativity, but instead we get the same camera over and over again. Sure we get 'better image quality' and other tech-oriented measures, but it doesn't show in how we make pictures. Is going from Sony A7RIII to A7RIV somehow different than going from a 4 megapixel camera to 6 megapixel camera some decade ago? No wonder camera industry is in trouble.Someone should bridge the gap between old and new (ie. traditional 35mm cameras and phones) and I welcome every innovation trying to do so as I think these are far more interesting than the typical cameras we have been offered for so long. Sure the new RX1 would be nice, but it still rests on the traditional concept of the 35mm camera. And it's okay to like it (and live it in your photography), it's just doesn't offer anything new or interesting from a historical point of view (more megapixels or 'more image quality' does not count at all because it's not economical or technological evolution).
Zeiss ZX1 is a nice concept. Get rid of the old infrastructure of the traditional cameras (Bionz and all) and build a new kind of camera on an Android operating system - and change the way the camera is supposed to work. Of course we don't know if it works or not, but someone has to lead the way. Pretty sure the ZX1 concept has already been copied to idea-folders of many manufacturers.
After succeeding creating a lead to car industry Henry Ford said that in the begining 'people didn't want cars they just wanted faster horses'. What this means that 99% of the people doesn't recognize the innovation because they are already so invested in the old institutions which guides their minds and imagination. Only after institutional change the significant innovations are recognized. If one is going to change the way how photography is done one cannot keep repeating the old behaviour and solutions. These new concepts are really the only interesting part of the photography industry. ..well ok, the new lenses are kind of cool as well..
Is it that they could not bring the concept to reality or is it that they determined that the market for such a thing was not large enough to warrant its production?
The vast majority of young people have no interest in lugging a dedicated imaging device around and few serious enthusiasts
want to do involved processing with the back of a camera.
Add in the Zei$$ factor and they probably realized this would be DOA.
I think that if I were a Zeiss shareholder I would be relieved with their decision.
Maybe those now-redundant engineers can come up with the nice 28 that we have been longing for!
Sep 26, 2020 at 01:55 PM
p.33 #9Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Fred Miranda wrote:
Someone should bridge the gap between old and new (ie. traditional 35mm cameras and phones) and I welcome every innovation trying to do so as I think these are far more interesting than the typical cameras we have been offered for so long. Sure the new RX1 would be nice, but it still rests on the traditional concept of the 35mm camera. And it's okay to like it (and live it in your photography), it's just doesn't offer anything new or interesting from a historical point of view (more megapixels or 'more image quality' does not count at all because it's not economical or technological evolution).
Zeiss ZX1 is a nice concept. Get rid of the old infrastructure of the traditional cameras (Bionz and all) and build a new kind of camera on an Android operating system - and change the way the camera is supposed to work. Of course we don't know if it works or not, but someone has to lead the way. Pretty sure the ZX1 concept has already been copied to idea-folders of many manufacturers.
After succeeding creating a lead to car industry Henry Ford said that in the begining 'people didn't want cars they just wanted faster horses'. What this means that 99% of the people doesn't recognize the innovation because they are already so invested in the old institutions which guides their minds and imagination. Only after institutional change the significant innovations are recognized. If one is going to change the way how photography is done one cannot keep repeating the old behaviour and solutions. These new concepts are really the only interesting part of the photography industry. ..well ok, the new lenses are kind of cool as well..If you look at the beginning of this thread, there were criticism but also praise for the ZX1's innovation. I agree with you and it's a shame Zeiss was not able to bring this concept to reality. It's unfortunate but they deserve the backlash after presenting a product that never materialized. That's the risk of being innovative and trying to break the mold.
I agree with you that they announced it perhaps too soon - maybe too excited about it or bad marketing decision. The backslash is unavoidable. Anyway to be absolutely honest, it's still unclear if the ZX1 is going to be released or not - and it's irritating that there's not any official statement about it (could use better communication here). It might have turned out to more difficult than what they have thought (to get everything absolutely smooth and bug free might be difficult with the ever evolving android), covid-19 might have affected more seriously, we don't know until we know. Zeiss has been pretty quiet lately, but I would not think they would exit the camera lens business - at least the Batis and Loxia lines have sold pretty well for them (especially the Batis line with AF must have a whole different magnitude compared to somewhat exotic MF Milvus line). Maybe they are just reworking the big strategy and coming up with the whole new concepts - at least that's what I'm hoping for.
Kalainen wrote
The thing is that there not many interesting cameras in the market. Most of them are really just copies of each other just varying specs a little (Sony, Canon and Nikon are all the same). Cameras should be tools for creativity, but instead we get the same camera over and over again. Sure we get 'better image quality' and other tech-oriented measures, but it doesn't show in how we make pictures. Is going from Sony A7RIII to A7RIV somehow different than going from a 4 megapixel camera to 6 megapixel camera some decade ago? No wonder camera industry is in trouble.Someone should bridge the gap between old and new (ie. traditional 35mm cameras and phones) and I welcome every innovation trying to do so as I think these are far more interesting than the typical cameras we have been offered for so long. Sure the new RX1 would be nice, but it still rests on the traditional concept of the 35mm camera. And it's okay to like it (and live it in your photography), it's just doesn't offer anything new or interesting from a historical point of view (more megapixels or 'more image quality' does not count at all because it's not economical or technological evolution).
Zeiss ZX1 is a nice concept. Get rid of the old infrastructure of the traditional cameras (Bionz and all) and build a new kind of camera on an Android operating system - and change the way the camera is supposed to work. Of course we don't know if it works or not, but someone has to lead the way. Pretty sure the ZX1 concept has already been copied to idea-folders of many manufacturers.
After succeeding creating a lead to car industry Henry Ford said that in the begining 'people didn't want cars they just wanted faster horses'. What this means that 99% of the people doesn't recognize the innovation because they are already so invested in the old institutions which guides their minds and imagination. Only after institutional change the significant innovations are recognized. If one is going to change the way how photography is done one cannot keep repeating the old behaviour and solutions. These new concepts are really the only interesting part of the photography industry. ..well ok, the new lenses are kind of cool as well..
I agree with you that they announced it perhaps too soon - maybe too excited about it or bad marketing decision. The backslash is unavoidable. Anyway to be absolutely honest, it's still unclear if the ZX1 is going to be released or not - and it's irritating that there's not any official statement about it (could use better communication here). It might have turned out to more difficult than what they have thought (to get everything absolutely smooth and bug free might be difficult with the ever evolving android), covid-19 might have affected more seriously, we don't know until we know. Zeiss has been pretty quiet lately, but I would not think they would exit the camera lens business - at least the Batis and Loxia lines have sold pretty well for them (especially the Batis line with AF must have a whole different magnitude compared to somewhat exotic MF Milvus line). Maybe they are just reworking the big strategy and coming up with the whole new concepts - at least that's what I'm hoping for.
Sep 26, 2020 at 02:17 PM
p.33 #10Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Kalainen wrote:
Someone should bridge the gap between old and new (ie. traditional 35mm cameras and phones) and I welcome every innovation trying to do so as I think these are far more interesting than the typical cameras we have been offered for so long. Sure the new RX1 would be nice, but it still rests on the traditional concept of the 35mm camera. And it's okay to like it (and live it in your photography), it's just doesn't offer anything new or interesting from a historical point of view (more megapixels or 'more image quality' does not count at all because it's not economical or technological evolution).
Zeiss ZX1 is a nice concept. Get rid of the old infrastructure of the traditional cameras (Bionz and all) and build a new kind of camera on an Android operating system - and change the way the camera is supposed to work. Of course we don't know if it works or not, but someone has to lead the way. Pretty sure the ZX1 concept has already been copied to idea-folders of many manufacturers.
After succeeding creating a lead to car industry Henry Ford said that in the begining 'people didn't want cars they just wanted faster horses'. What this means that 99% of the people doesn't recognize the innovation because they are already so invested in the old institutions which guides their minds and imagination. Only after institutional change the significant innovations are recognized. If one is going to change the way how photography is done one cannot keep repeating the old behaviour and solutions. These new concepts are really the only interesting part of the photography industry. ..well ok, the new lenses are kind of cool as well..If you look at the beginning of this thread, there were criticism but also praise for the ZX1's innovation. I agree with you and it's a shame Zeiss was not able to bring this concept to reality. It's unfortunate but they deserve the backlash after presenting a product that never materialized. That's the risk of being innovative and trying to break the mold.I agree with you that they announced it perhaps too soon - maybe too excited about it or bad marketing decision. The backslash is unavoidable. Anyway to be absolutely honest, it's still unclear if the ZX1 is going to be released or not - and it's irritating that there's not any official statement about it (could use better communication here). It might have turned out to more difficult than what they have thought (to get everything absolutely smooth and bug free might be difficult with the ever evolving android), covid-19 might have affected more seriously, we don't know until we...Show more →
Definitely not a sure thing but the more times passes the smaller the chances of this coming to market.
The official page still exists:
https://zx1.zeiss.com
B&H is still waiting for it: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1436638-REG/zeiss_zx1_digital_camera.html
There is still hope.
Fred Miranda wrote
Kalainen wrote
The thing is that there not many interesting cameras in the market. Most of them are really just copies of each other just varying specs a little (Sony, Canon and Nikon are all the same). Cameras should be tools for creativity, but instead we get the same camera over and over again. Sure we get 'better image quality' and other tech-oriented measures, but it doesn't show in how we make pictures. Is going from Sony A7RIII to A7RIV somehow different than going from a 4 megapixel camera to 6 megapixel camera some decade ago? No wonder camera industry is in trouble.Someone should bridge the gap between old and new (ie. traditional 35mm cameras and phones) and I welcome every innovation trying to do so as I think these are far more interesting than the typical cameras we have been offered for so long. Sure the new RX1 would be nice, but it still rests on the traditional concept of the 35mm camera. And it's okay to like it (and live it in your photography), it's just doesn't offer anything new or interesting from a historical point of view (more megapixels or 'more image quality' does not count at all because it's not economical or technological evolution).
Zeiss ZX1 is a nice concept. Get rid of the old infrastructure of the traditional cameras (Bionz and all) and build a new kind of camera on an Android operating system - and change the way the camera is supposed to work. Of course we don't know if it works or not, but someone has to lead the way. Pretty sure the ZX1 concept has already been copied to idea-folders of many manufacturers.
After succeeding creating a lead to car industry Henry Ford said that in the begining 'people didn't want cars they just wanted faster horses'. What this means that 99% of the people doesn't recognize the innovation because they are already so invested in the old institutions which guides their minds and imagination. Only after institutional change the significant innovations are recognized. If one is going to change the way how photography is done one cannot keep repeating the old behaviour and solutions. These new concepts are really the only interesting part of the photography industry. ..well ok, the new lenses are kind of cool as well..
Definitely not a sure thing but the more times passes the smaller the chances of this coming to market.
The official page still exists:
https://zx1.zeiss.com
B&H is still waiting for it: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1436638-REG/zeiss_zx1_digital_camera.html
There is still hope.
Sep 26, 2020 at 03:01 PM
p.33 #12Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
The black slab's EVF (2:20 in above video) looks like an enlarged version of the bare bones unit on another 'innovative' concept camera about to be released to rapturous applause by all content producers.
They want to give you less of what you want (an effective and versatile, operational camera) and more of what they want you to pay for (computing and connectivity). Who's in charge here, them or the market? The sales data is the arbiter.
It looks like some in the industry are looking for a hybrid device strategy, the sales/profit outlook must have shaken them to the bone. Plenty of real cameras around still, maybe too many - another problem for them, not us.
It's really diversification into the phone space and demographic. They still feel they need traditional photographers to come along, so these devices may still look like cameras, at this stage anyway.
They want to give you less of what you want (an effective and versatile, operational camera) and more of what they want you to pay for (computing and connectivity). Who's in charge here, them or the market? The sales data is the arbiter.
It looks like some in the industry are looking for a hybrid device strategy, the sales/profit outlook must have shaken them to the bone. Plenty of real cameras around still, maybe too many - another problem for them, not us.
It's really diversification into the phone space and demographic. They still feel they need traditional photographers to come along, so these devices may still look like cameras, at this stage anyway.
Sep 26, 2020 at 04:05 PM
p.33 #13Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
I don't see the market for this camera, but I'm not Zeiss, nor am I privy to the sales and marketing data they have. IMO, the only people who will buy an expensive fixed lens compact are older photo enthusiasts. They have the money. The coveted younger smart phone set that everyone wants to sell to largely aren't interested in separate photographic devices; they have their phones.
And if they did want one, they wouldn't consider this for any number of reasons...price, size, the fact that it's ugly as heck and price again. There's a reason that amongst the only cameras you see young folks with are smartphones or old film cameras. Choosing something like this is as much an aesthetic/consumer choice as anything...Fuji gets it. I've had the good fortune of spending the last decade and a half interacting with 1000's of young people, teaching them photography too, and the only camera they generally showed interest in over the last half decade was my Fuji X100s.
Despite what older people think, this demographic has no interest in a camera/phone hybrid. They're incredibly tech savvy and very conscious of appearances, if they wanted a phone that's what they'd use. If they're going to carry an expensive camera that isn't their phone, it's got to decidedly not be their phone.
And if they did want one, they wouldn't consider this for any number of reasons...price, size, the fact that it's ugly as heck and price again. There's a reason that amongst the only cameras you see young folks with are smartphones or old film cameras. Choosing something like this is as much an aesthetic/consumer choice as anything...Fuji gets it. I've had the good fortune of spending the last decade and a half interacting with 1000's of young people, teaching them photography too, and the only camera they generally showed interest in over the last half decade was my Fuji X100s.
Despite what older people think, this demographic has no interest in a camera/phone hybrid. They're incredibly tech savvy and very conscious of appearances, if they wanted a phone that's what they'd use. If they're going to carry an expensive camera that isn't their phone, it's got to decidedly not be their phone.
Sep 26, 2020 at 04:55 PM
p.33 #14Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Will the ZX1’s Android operating system require a user to log in to the camera using a Google account?
Sep 26, 2020 at 04:59 PM
p.33 #15Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
genji wrote:
Will the ZX1’s Android operating system require a user to log in to the camera using a Google account?
Good point. I'm also unsure why I'd want this on my camera(s). It's a 10 second procedure to send a photo from even my ancient A7R to my Galaxy Note, and the phone in your pocket is always going to be more up-to-date and powerful than a camera so, yeah, why bother? I guess there could be an advantage I haven't thought of or considered...
Will the ZX1’s Android operating system require a user to log in to the camera using a Google account?
Good point. I'm also unsure why I'd want this on my camera(s). It's a 10 second procedure to send a photo from even my ancient A7R to my Galaxy Note, and the phone in your pocket is always going to be more up-to-date and powerful than a camera so, yeah, why bother? I guess there could be an advantage I haven't thought of or considered...
Sep 26, 2020 at 05:07 PM
p.33 #16Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Maybe if Zeiss installed a phone?
Or a heart-rate monitor?
Or a heart-rate monitor?
Sep 27, 2020 at 08:31 AM
p.33 #17Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
philip_pj wrote:
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They want to give you less of what you want (an effective and versatile, operational camera) and more of what they want you to pay for (computing and connectivity). Who's in charge here, them or the market? The sales data is the arbiter.
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It's really diversification into the phone space and demographic. They still feel they need traditional photographers to come along, so these devices may still look like cameras, at this stage anyway.
I really don't think Zeiss is doing this for mass appeal at all and that's why they really don't care about the market (price would limit appeal anyway), it's probably mostly for PR. Something striking, for Zeiss to connect with its photography roots and at the same trying to advance photography, even though they make most of their profits elsewhere these days.
They may never get a handle on the problem that delays the camera and never release it. If this direction is not the future of photography, everyone will eventually forget the prototype. But If someone makes something similar eventually that succeeds, then the Zeiss ZX1 will be hailed as the visionary precursor. Not bad for them.
I think the delays are stemming from the software and integrating everything well enough. Google and Apple have great computational photography functions for example, but I bet they spend untold amounts on those. On the other hand, their other revenue streams are basically printing money so this is peanuts to them but barely profitable camera manufacturers will have a hard time keeping up :/
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They want to give you less of what you want (an effective and versatile, operational camera) and more of what they want you to pay for (computing and connectivity). Who's in charge here, them or the market? The sales data is the arbiter.
...
It's really diversification into the phone space and demographic. They still feel they need traditional photographers to come along, so these devices may still look like cameras, at this stage anyway.
I really don't think Zeiss is doing this for mass appeal at all and that's why they really don't care about the market (price would limit appeal anyway), it's probably mostly for PR. Something striking, for Zeiss to connect with its photography roots and at the same trying to advance photography, even though they make most of their profits elsewhere these days.
They may never get a handle on the problem that delays the camera and never release it. If this direction is not the future of photography, everyone will eventually forget the prototype. But If someone makes something similar eventually that succeeds, then the Zeiss ZX1 will be hailed as the visionary precursor. Not bad for them.
I think the delays are stemming from the software and integrating everything well enough. Google and Apple have great computational photography functions for example, but I bet they spend untold amounts on those. On the other hand, their other revenue streams are basically printing money so this is peanuts to them but barely profitable camera manufacturers will have a hard time keeping up :/
Sep 27, 2020 at 09:26 AM
p.33 #18Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
lora_to wrote:
They want to give you less of what you want (an effective and versatile, operational camera) and more of what they want you to pay for (computing and connectivity). Who's in charge here, them or the market? The sales data is the arbiter.
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It's really diversification into the phone space and demographic. They still feel they need traditional photographers to come along, so these devices may still look like cameras, at this stage anyway.I really don't think Zeiss is doing this for mass appeal at all and that's why they really don't care about the market (price would limit appeal anyway), it's probably mostly for PR. Something striking, for Zeiss to connect with its photography roots and at the same trying to advance photography, even though they make most of their profits elsewhere these days.
They may never get a handle on the problem that delays the camera and never release it. If this direction is not the future of photography, everyone will eventually forget the prototype. But If someone makes something similar eventually...Show more →
Maybe they have some kind of cooperation with companies that have recently fallen out of favor in certain circles, and will decide some time in November on how to proceed.
philip_pj wrote
...They want to give you less of what you want (an effective and versatile, operational camera) and more of what they want you to pay for (computing and connectivity). Who's in charge here, them or the market? The sales data is the arbiter.
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It's really diversification into the phone space and demographic. They still feel they need traditional photographers to come along, so these devices may still look like cameras, at this stage anyway.
They may never get a handle on the problem that delays the camera and never release it. If this direction is not the future of photography, everyone will eventually forget the prototype. But If someone makes something similar eventually...Show more →
Maybe they have some kind of cooperation with companies that have recently fallen out of favor in certain circles, and will decide some time in November on how to proceed.
Sep 27, 2020 at 10:33 AM
p.33 #19Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Speaking of vaporware cameras...anyone seen Kodak's Super 8mm film camera? Announced waaay back in 2016...still on Kodak's web site.
https://www.kodak.com/en/motion/page/super-8-camera
https://www.kodak.com/en/motion/page/super-8-camera
Sep 27, 2020 at 12:32 PM
