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Archive 2018Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
p.22 #1Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
naturephoto1 wrote:
I will stop by the Carl Zeiss Booth at PhotoPlus in NYC on October 24 to see if they have a working version available to hold and handle and see if there is any update. Last year they just had a number of cameras in cases not available to handle or hold.
But, I have no intention of purchasing one of these when and if they are released.
Rich
Looking forward to know too. I think there is more to this ZX1 story yet to come.
I will stop by the Carl Zeiss Booth at PhotoPlus in NYC on October 24 to see if they have a working version available to hold and handle and see if there is any update. Last year they just had a number of cameras in cases not available to handle or hold.
But, I have no intention of purchasing one of these when and if they are released.
Rich
Looking forward to know too. I think there is more to this ZX1 story yet to come.
Sep 30, 2019 at 11:45 AM
p.22 #2Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
For social media you don't need this camera. Phones will suffice.
Sep 30, 2019 at 06:41 PM
p.22 #4Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
The thread that should, but won't die.
Sep 30, 2019 at 07:16 PM
p.22 #5Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Looking at the Milvus range and the ZX1, it's hard to reconcile these with the company that designed and arranged production of the ZM lenses.
My theory is this: Zeiss believe first and foremost in uniformity of product by mount. In M mount, lenses had to small and jewel-like, hence the ZMs, many of which used very traditional designs. In DSLR they trend towards very large and heavy and fast, hence the brutalist Milvus.
In FE, there was no pre-existing foundation, so it's all over the place and later Zeiss Loxias equal or outweigh Voigtlanders a stop or two faster than them, with worse ergonomics. The 85/2.4 is way heavier than it need be.
Broadening it out to the marketplace, they see that we live in 'instant now' world of social media and ugly graceless products and art everywhere - so they make the ZX1. It is a very 2019 product, when seen from this perspective.
Cosina, on the other hand, strive for balance between new age high tech and designs very faithful to where photography came from, all have excellent ergonomics and graceful appeal.
My theory is this: Zeiss believe first and foremost in uniformity of product by mount. In M mount, lenses had to small and jewel-like, hence the ZMs, many of which used very traditional designs. In DSLR they trend towards very large and heavy and fast, hence the brutalist Milvus.
In FE, there was no pre-existing foundation, so it's all over the place and later Zeiss Loxias equal or outweigh Voigtlanders a stop or two faster than them, with worse ergonomics. The 85/2.4 is way heavier than it need be.
Broadening it out to the marketplace, they see that we live in 'instant now' world of social media and ugly graceless products and art everywhere - so they make the ZX1. It is a very 2019 product, when seen from this perspective.
Cosina, on the other hand, strive for balance between new age high tech and designs very faithful to where photography came from, all have excellent ergonomics and graceful appeal.
Sep 30, 2019 at 07:25 PM
p.22 #6Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
I think the ZX1 is beautiful. Wonder what it feels like in hand though, still seems like it'd be more comfortable than the usual brick designs.
Sep 30, 2019 at 07:34 PM
p.22 #7Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Basically, clueless (Zeiss).
Though announced in 2018, it is acceptable as a 2019 product if they manage to release it. There is hope.
There are 4 months left in the year.
philip_pj wrote:
Broadening it out to the marketplace, they see that we live in 'instant now' world of social media and ugly graceless products and art everywhere - so they make the ZX1. It is a very 2019 product, when seen from this perspective.
Though announced in 2018, it is acceptable as a 2019 product if they manage to release it. There is hope.
There are 4 months left in the year.
philip_pj wrote:
Broadening it out to the marketplace, they see that we live in 'instant now' world of social media and ugly graceless products and art everywhere - so they make the ZX1. It is a very 2019 product, when seen from this perspective.
Sep 30, 2019 at 07:35 PM
p.22 #8Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
bwcolor wrote:
The thread that should, but won't die.
Just like the ZX1
The thread that should, but won't die.
Just like the ZX1
Sep 30, 2019 at 11:07 PM
p.22 #9Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
philip_pj wrote:
My theory is this: Zeiss believe first and foremost in uniformity of product by mount. In M mount, lenses had to small and jewel-like, hence the ZMs, many of which used very traditional designs. In DSLR they trend towards very large and heavy and fast, hence the brutalist Milvus.
Well, I agree that I dont like the Touit/Otus/Milvus design, however the "classic" DSLR lenses had (and have) a beautiful design.
realVivek wrote:
There are 4 months left in the year.
Unless a 13th month was recently introduced without me noticing, we have exactly 3 months left.
My theory is this: Zeiss believe first and foremost in uniformity of product by mount. In M mount, lenses had to small and jewel-like, hence the ZMs, many of which used very traditional designs. In DSLR they trend towards very large and heavy and fast, hence the brutalist Milvus.
Well, I agree that I dont like the Touit/Otus/Milvus design, however the "classic" DSLR lenses had (and have) a beautiful design.
realVivek wrote:
There are 4 months left in the year.
Unless a 13th month was recently introduced without me noticing, we have exactly 3 months left.
Oct 01, 2019 at 06:12 AM
p.22 #10Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Sauseschritt wrote:
Well, I agree that I dont like the Touit/Otus/Milvus design, however the "classic" DSLR lenses had (and have) a beautiful design.
Unless a 13th month was recently introduced without me noticing, we have exactly 3 months left.
You've never heard of the elusive leap month? Zeiss is releasing the cam in Numquam.
philip_pj wrote
My theory is this: Zeiss believe first and foremost in uniformity of product by mount. In M mount, lenses had to small and jewel-like, hence the ZMs, many of which used very traditional designs. In DSLR they trend towards very large and heavy and fast, hence the brutalist Milvus.realVivek wrote
There are 4 months left in the year.You've never heard of the elusive leap month? Zeiss is releasing the cam in Numquam.
Oct 01, 2019 at 08:46 AM
p.22 #11Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Sauseschritt wrote:
Well, I agree that I dont like the Touit/Otus/Milvus design, however the "classic" DSLR lenses had (and have) a beautiful design.
Unless a 13th month was recently introduced without me noticing, we have exactly 3 months left.
In practice the window closes in October, due to Christmas shopping etc, when they will struggle to get any attention. I think this camera is vapourware. Notice how it has been moved down on the Zeiss web site, after even the ZM lenses, see the link https://www.zeiss.com/camera-lenses/int/photography.html and scroll down toward the bottom. It’s not meant to grab too much attention anymore.
philip_pj wrote
My theory is this: Zeiss believe first and foremost in uniformity of product by mount. In M mount, lenses had to small and jewel-like, hence the ZMs, many of which used very traditional designs. In DSLR they trend towards very large and heavy and fast, hence the brutalist Milvus.realVivek wrote
There are 4 months left in the year.In practice the window closes in October, due to Christmas shopping etc, when they will struggle to get any attention. I think this camera is vapourware. Notice how it has been moved down on the Zeiss web site, after even the ZM lenses, see the link https://www.zeiss.com/camera-lenses/int/photography.html and scroll down toward the bottom. It’s not meant to grab too much attention anymore.
Oct 01, 2019 at 10:19 AM
p.22 #12Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Marketing windows indeed are nearly closed for 2019. However, we yet have no ZX1 price and that is telling us something (1) Zeiss never doubted the ZX1 would be produced and (2) the price could be a market surprise.
Pro users paying expensive models know the value of in-flow display & editing as well as big in-cam storage. Indeed, the ZX1 could be the on location Mother storage device doubling as the always-needed 35mm semi-fast general lens. A smaller total kit size without lugging a pc.
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But all the Latest Waves of SONY may be soon seen as a last raging against the introductory light of...Panasonic's 8K full frame, 17 stop giant (currently surfing along in the cine RED Monstro @ $54K each (sans no overheating global shutter). It's not a CMOS–ooops. 135 patents for support too. Double oops. They do have Leica for the big-boy lenses too.
Go ahead, cut yourself again on the bleeding edge–or just get a second A7III on sale and a few new leading lenses, plus maybe a ZX1 to sit back and photograph the prolific market fireworks. You might even save enough to buy a second-hand fuel efficient car.
PhotoKina 2020 Cologne has NIKON and CANON sitting out...will SONY join them?
Pro users paying expensive models know the value of in-flow display & editing as well as big in-cam storage. Indeed, the ZX1 could be the on location Mother storage device doubling as the always-needed 35mm semi-fast general lens. A smaller total kit size without lugging a pc.
___________________________
But all the Latest Waves of SONY may be soon seen as a last raging against the introductory light of...Panasonic's 8K full frame, 17 stop giant (currently surfing along in the cine RED Monstro @ $54K each (sans no overheating global shutter). It's not a CMOS–ooops. 135 patents for support too. Double oops. They do have Leica for the big-boy lenses too.
Go ahead, cut yourself again on the bleeding edge–or just get a second A7III on sale and a few new leading lenses, plus maybe a ZX1 to sit back and photograph the prolific market fireworks. You might even save enough to buy a second-hand fuel efficient car.
PhotoKina 2020 Cologne has NIKON and CANON sitting out...will SONY join them?
Oct 01, 2019 at 11:27 AM
p.22 #13Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Maybe they’re looking to start directly with an “Anniversary Edition”. Like in “10 Years Since The Prototype”. 
Oct 01, 2019 at 04:19 PM
p.22 #14Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
vdo1 wrote:
Maybe they’re looking to start directly with an “Anniversary Edition”. Like in “10 Years Since The Prototype”.
I think they will skip this version and go straight to ZX1 II.
Maybe they’re looking to start directly with an “Anniversary Edition”. Like in “10 Years Since The Prototype”.
I think they will skip this version and go straight to ZX1 II.
Oct 01, 2019 at 04:24 PM
p.22 #15Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
bjornthun wrote:
Well, I agree that I dont like the Touit/Otus/Milvus design, however the "classic" DSLR lenses had (and have) a beautiful design.
Unless a 13th month was recently introduced without me noticing, we have exactly 3 months left.In practice the window closes in October, due to Christmas shopping etc, when they will struggle to get any attention. I think this camera is vapourware. Notice how it has been moved down on the Zeiss web site, after even the ZM lenses, see the link https://www.zeiss.com/camera-lenses/int/photography.html and scroll down toward the bottom. It’s not meant to grab too much attention anymore.
But it is still there. It's not a given that a non-existent camera (as of today) is being advertised at all. Nikon does not advertise the Z8, Z50 and D860 right now.
Sauseschritt wrote
philip_pj wrote
My theory is this: Zeiss believe first and foremost in uniformity of product by mount. In M mount, lenses had to small and jewel-like, hence the ZMs, many of which used very traditional designs. In DSLR they trend towards very large and heavy and fast, hence the brutalist Milvus.realVivek wrote
There are 4 months left in the year.But it is still there. It's not a given that a non-existent camera (as of today) is being advertised at all. Nikon does not advertise the Z8, Z50 and D860 right now.
Oct 01, 2019 at 04:56 PM
p.22 #16Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
AcuteShadows wrote:
Well, I agree that I dont like the Touit/Otus/Milvus design, however the "classic" DSLR lenses had (and have) a beautiful design.
Unless a 13th month was recently introduced without me noticing, we have exactly 3 months left.In practice the window closes in October, due to Christmas shopping etc, when they will struggle to get any attention. I think this camera is vapourware. Notice how it has been moved down on the Zeiss web site, after even the ZM lenses, see the link https://www.zeiss.com/camera-lenses/int/photography.html and scroll down toward the bottom. It’s not meant to grab too much attention anymore.But it is still there. It's not a given that a non-existent camera (as of today) is being advertised at all. Nikon does not advertise the Z8, Z50 and D860 right now.
But they did announce the Nikon DL cameras for quite a while, until they were cancelled.
bjornthun wrote
Sauseschritt wrote
philip_pj wrote
My theory is this: Zeiss believe first and foremost in uniformity of product by mount. In M mount, lenses had to small and jewel-like, hence the ZMs, many of which used very traditional designs. In DSLR they trend towards very large and heavy and fast, hence the brutalist Milvus.realVivek wrote
There are 4 months left in the year.But they did announce the Nikon DL cameras for quite a while, until they were cancelled.
Oct 01, 2019 at 07:12 PM
p.22 #17Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
bjornthun wrote:
Well, I agree that I dont like the Touit/Otus/Milvus design, however the "classic" DSLR lenses had (and have) a beautiful design.
Unless a 13th month was recently introduced without me noticing, we have exactly 3 months left.In practice the window closes in October, due to Christmas shopping etc, when they will struggle to get any attention. I think this camera is vapourware. Notice how it has been moved down on the Zeiss web site, after even the ZM lenses, see the link https://www.zeiss.com/camera-lenses/int/photography.html and scroll down toward the bottom. It’s not meant to grab too much attention anymore.But it is still there. It's not a given that a non-existent camera (as of today) is being advertised at all. Nikon does not advertise the Z8, Z50 and D860 right now.But they did announce the Nikon DL cameras for quite a while, until they were cancelled.
Then being on the website might be in itself a counter-indicator of being actually produced. Only those gear items that are being kept secret eventually see the light of day.
AcuteShadows wrote
bjornthun wrote
Sauseschritt wrote
philip_pj wrote
My theory is this: Zeiss believe first and foremost in uniformity of product by mount. In M mount, lenses had to small and jewel-like, hence the ZMs, many of which used very traditional designs. In DSLR they trend towards very large and heavy and fast, hence the brutalist Milvus.realVivek wrote
There are 4 months left in the year.Then being on the website might be in itself a counter-indicator of being actually produced. Only those gear items that are being kept secret eventually see the light of day.
Oct 01, 2019 at 08:41 PM
p.22 #18Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
Looks like the Rx1rii is holding it's value once again.
Oct 01, 2019 at 08:52 PM
p.22 #19Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
gordec wrote:
Looks like the Rx1rii is holding it's value once again.
I'd actually be in the market for an RX1xxx if Sony ever decided to use the same lens and body size but update everything else about it. Wouldn't even need that 60+mp sensor for me to want it.
Looks like the Rx1rii is holding it's value once again.
I'd actually be in the market for an RX1xxx if Sony ever decided to use the same lens and body size but update everything else about it. Wouldn't even need that 60+mp sensor for me to want it.
Oct 01, 2019 at 11:03 PM
p.22 #20Are you getting the Zeiss ZX1?
AcuteShadows wrote:
Well, I agree that I dont like the Touit/Otus/Milvus design, however the "classic" DSLR lenses had (and have) a beautiful design.
Unless a 13th month was recently introduced without me noticing, we have exactly 3 months left.In practice the window closes in October, due to Christmas shopping etc, when they will struggle to get any attention. I think this camera is vapourware. Notice how it has been moved down on the Zeiss web site, after even the ZM lenses, see the link https://www.zeiss.com/camera-lenses/int/photography.html and scroll down toward the bottom. It’s not meant to grab too much attention anymore.But it is still there. It's not a given that a non-existent camera (as of today) is being advertised at all. Nikon does not advertise the Z8, Z50 and D860 right now.But they did announce the Nikon DL cameras for quite a while, until they were cancelled.Then being on the website might be in itself a counter-indicator of being actually produced. Only those gear items that are being kept secret eventually see the light of day.
No, it’s the timespan from announcement without the camera hitting dealers’ shelves.
bjornthun wrote
AcuteShadows wrote
bjornthun wrote
Sauseschritt wrote
philip_pj wrote
My theory is this: Zeiss believe first and foremost in uniformity of product by mount. In M mount, lenses had to small and jewel-like, hence the ZMs, many of which used very traditional designs. In DSLR they trend towards very large and heavy and fast, hence the brutalist Milvus.realVivek wrote
There are 4 months left in the year.No, it’s the timespan from announcement without the camera hitting dealers’ shelves.
Oct 02, 2019 at 02:30 AM