p.20 #1 · Official Z Series Camera and Lens Discussion
I think this video was targeted at less experienced people. It would be useful for someone who has decided to buy a mirrorless ICL camera and wants to examine the latest releases. If sports/action was the primary focus of this person, then this video would be very useful.
I think the Northrups are most interested in delivering content to a non-expert viewer. They make the bulk of their revenue from selling their book. Very experienced people are not likely buyers of a beginner book.
p.20 #2 · Official Z Series Camera and Lens Discussion
cvrle59 wrote:
Most of the people understand that, who know something about photography, but I think these "new fashion comparison reviews" are designed for those who know little, but those create traffic on youtube.
That's my take on this, otherwise why would anyone compare A9 and A7RIII for sports, let's forget Z7 for a moment.
Bottom line, those kind of videos create nothing that confusion, IMO.
Agreed! People have the choice to read freely in other threads but this is a Z7 and lens resource thread.
p.20 #3 · Official Z Series Camera and Lens Discussion
It seems to me that the Northrup's Best Mirrorless Sports Camera "test" was a loaded test as these cameras would basically *never* be cross compared. If you are a sports shooter, you don't go compare cameras that are not sports orientated or just limit yourself to mirrorless. The test was *designed* to be click bait and to stir controversy and to find fault with the likes of the Z7. I mean, why would anyone compare the most expensive FF mirrorless camera you can buy to any of the others? This is an idiotic comparison.
My check list would be:
1) price
2) do I want FF, APS C, 4/3rds or whatever
3) do I then want mirrorless or a DSLR
4) what are my minimum requirements for features like fps etc.
I would never think mirrorless first, then think any of the other factors. If I were a sports shooter, it would be out of a Nikon D5, Canon 1DX II, Sony A9, Nikon D850 and possibly Sony A7 RIII. Why put the Canon R and the Z7 in there other than to show them up so that they can fail in a group they were never designed to compete in. I should add, that the most expensive camera, which was designed for sport, won! Who would have thought! It's amazing, it's a revelation! Absurd and the Northrup's should be ashamed of themselves.
p.20 #4 · Official Z Series Camera and Lens Discussion
Lance B wrote:
It seems to me that the Northrup's Best Mirrorless Sports Camera "test" was a loaded test as these cameras would basically *never* be cross compared. If you are a sports shooter, you don't go compare cameras that are not sports orientated or just limit yourself to mirrorless. The test was *designed* to be click bait and to stir controversy and to find fault with the likes of the Z7. I mean, why would anyone compare the most expensive FF mirrorless camera you can buy to any of the others? This is an idiotic comparison.
My check list would be:
1) price
2) do I want FF, APS C, 4/3rds or whatever
3) do I then want mirrorless or a DSLR
4) what are my minimum requirements for features like fps etc.
I would never think mirrorless first, then think any of the other factors. If I were a sports shooter, it would be out of a Nikon D5, Canon 1DX II, Sony A9, Nikon D850 and possibly Sony A7 RIII. Why put the Canon R and the Z7 in there other than to show them up so that they can fail in a group they were never designed to compete in. I should add, that the most expensive camera, which was designed for sport, won! Who would have thought! It's amazing, it's a revelation! Absurd and the Northrup's should be ashamed of themselves. ...Show more →
p.20 #5 · Official Z Series Camera and Lens Discussion
Lance B wrote:
Why put the Canon R and the Z7 in there other than to show them up so that they can fail in a group they were never designed to compete in.
It's because these are new, attract people attention and if they include them (in whatever context) they get more traffic on their channel. Traffic means money. That's how the Youtube works.
It's just like sudden surge of iPhone Xs reviews on photo channels in September.
p.20 #6 · Official Z Series Camera and Lens Discussion
Lance B wrote:
It seems to me that the Northrup's Best Mirrorless Sports Camera "test" was a loaded test as these cameras would basically *never* be cross compared. If you are a sports shooter, you don't go compare cameras that are not sports orientated or just limit yourself to mirrorless. The test was *designed* to be click bait and to stir controversy and to find fault with the likes of the Z7. I mean, why would anyone compare the most expensive FF mirrorless camera you can buy to any of the others? This is an idiotic comparison.
My check list would be:
1) price
2) do I want FF, APS C, 4/3rds or whatever
3) do I then want mirrorless or a DSLR
4) what are my minimum requirements for features like fps etc.
I would never think mirrorless first, then think any of the other factors. If I were a sports shooter, it would be out of a Nikon D5, Canon 1DX II, Sony A9, Nikon D850 and possibly Sony A7 RIII. Why put the Canon R and the Z7 in there other than to show them up so that they can fail in a group they were never designed to compete in. I should add, that the most expensive camera, which was designed for sport, won! Who would have thought! It's amazing, it's a revelation! Absurd and the Northrup's should be ashamed of themselves. ...Show more →
That's exactly how I look at it, but your expression is much better.
Thank you!
p.20 #12 · Official Z Series Camera and Lens Discussion
Lance B wrote:
It seems to me that the Northrup's Best Mirrorless Sports Camera "test" was a loaded test as these cameras would basically *never* be cross compared. If you are a sports shooter, you don't go compare cameras that are not sports orientated or just limit yourself to mirrorless. The test was *designed* to be click bait and to stir controversy and to find fault with the likes of the Z7. I mean, why would anyone compare the most expensive FF mirrorless camera you can buy to any of the others? This is an idiotic comparison.
I think you missed the point of the comparison. Mirrorless bodies are "hot" right now, especially with the Z6 and Canon's recent entries into the market and the Fuji X-T3. I see this as part of a buying guide for the average photography hobbyist. "if you're thinking about buying a ML body and want to shoot your kids sports, then this is how they compare" kind of thing. Tony is not a sports photographer* (he's a guy with a camera shooting people playing sports), and I doubt any serious sports photographer would give much weight to what he has to say.
Bringing the focus (bad pun) back to the Z7, it's not marketed or targeted as a sports body, unlike the a9. I've got a Z6 kit on order for use as a third body for sports, but this application could be handled by a number of bodies - a D5 or 1Dx2 would be overkill for this usage. The Z7 is going to be fine for a lot of people and what and the way they shoot.
I'm getting skeptical of a lot of the online reviewers popping up all over these days. I see a lot of these as ploys to get subscribers and try to make money on YouTube. If I don't respect them as photographers in their primary genre, I can't put much weight to their opinions on usage in this arena. Guys like TAP and Fro... On the other hand, I am interested in people like Brad Hill have to say. IMHO as a non wildlife shooter, I think he's pretty good at what he does and can write a meaningful review and document his experience with a given piece of gear.
*I consider myself to be a serious sports photographer. I can hack my way through a portrait, and I could do a review of which ML body is the best of the bunch for shooting portraiture, but I'm sure any serious portrait photographer would laugh at me.
p.20 #14 · Official Z Series Camera and Lens Discussion
I wouldn't say watching that video was a waste of time, but that was hardly a worthwhile test of the Z7s focusing capabilities. But, wow, now we know it can keep focus during mostly lateral target movements from a distance that provides a comfortable DOF. Or at least we know it if we take that yahoo's word for it. His next review: the twin lens reflex is a fine action camera!
p.20 #17 · Official Z Series Camera and Lens Discussion
la puffin wrote:
I think you missed the point of the comparison. Mirrorless bodies are "hot" right now, especially with the Z6 and Canon's recent entries into the market and the Fuji X-T3. I see this as part of a buying guide for the average photography hobbyist. "if you're thinking about buying a ML body and want to shoot your kids sports, then this is how they compare" kind of thing. Tony is not a sports photographer* (he's a guy with a camera shooting people playing sports), and I doubt any serious sports photographer would give much weight to what he has to say.
Bringing the focus (bad pun) back to the Z7, it's not marketed or targeted as a sports body, unlike the a9. I've got a Z6 kit on order for use as a third body for sports, but this application could be handled by a number of bodies - a D5 or 1Dx2 would be overkill for this usage. The Z7 is going to be fine for a lot of people and what and the way they shoot.
I'm getting skeptical of a lot of the online reviewers popping up all over these days. I see a lot of these as ploys to get subscribers and try to make money on YouTube. If I don't respect them as photographers in their primary genre, I can't put much weight to their opinions on usage in this arena. Guys like TAP and Fro... On the other hand, I am interested in people like Brad Hill have to say. IMHO as a non wildlife shooter, I think he's pretty good at what he does and can write a meaningful review and document his experience with a given piece of gear.
*I consider myself to be a serious sports photographer. I can hack my way through a portrait, and I could do a review of which ML body is the best of the bunch for shooting portraiture, but I'm sure any serious portrait photographer would laugh at me....Show more →
I think we will have to agree to disagree here. I can't really see someone comparing an APS C Fuji XT-3 mirrorless $1,500 to a FF Sony A9 at $4,000. There would be a tiny audience for that comparison.
p.20 #18 · Official Z Series Camera and Lens Discussion
Nice video shooting egrets there. I have no doubt that Z7 can capture egrets in flight.
Even a D70 can do that 14 years ago. I think the big question which he did not mention (may be I missed it, I really hate video review and much much prefer review in writing, I could read through this review in 3 minutes with pictures sample and short video clip of the action rather than spending 13 minutes watching the whole video)
was the % of the keeper. You should get close to 100% with D5, D500, a bit less for D850 but I am not sure if Z7 will have 90, 75 or 50% in focus rate. I will need to play with wide focus area more. I think Brad Hill also mentioned that wide focus area basically works like a group focus on Nikon DSLR but you have option of having bigger coverage area.
p.20 #20 · Official Z Series Camera and Lens Discussion
suteetat wrote:
Nice video shooting egrets there. I have no doubt that Z7 can capture egrets in flight.
Even a D70 can do that 14 years ago. I think the big question which he did not mention (may be I missed it, I really hate video review and much much prefer review in writing, I could read through this review in 3 minutes with pictures sample and short video clip of the action rather than spending 13 minutes watching the whole video)
was the % of the keeper. You should get close to 100% with D5, D500, a bit less for D850 but I am not sure if Z7 will have 90, 75 or 50% in focus rate. I will need to play with wide focus area more. I think Brad Hill also mentioned that wide focus area basically works like a group focus on Nikon DSLR but you have option of having bigger coverage area....Show more →
100% agree, it is one of the easiest bird to photograph in flight.
