p.19 #2 · Official Z Series Camera and Lens Discussion
cvrle59 wrote:
I don't know how to say it, but some videos are popping up on youtube, with Z7 in right hands.
Nikon did very poor job in respect of marketing. That camera is way beyond, how it's been presented in first place.
GH5 is an excellent camera for video, as far as I know, but...
The Z7 is worthy for video clips alone I have some friends that have fully embraced the Z7 for videos alongside their D850/D5.
p.19 #3 · Official Z Series Camera and Lens Discussion
fscherz wrote:
The Z7 has a setting for 'focus speed' adaption, I set it to faster (4) than normal not to wait that long if focus area is (re)moved.
If people just pick up the camera and do not change settings they get (for me) relative slow AF movements.
I'm not talking about focus speed, I'm talking about how long it takes for the EVF to magnify when you grab the focus ring to manual focus - some were saying there was a long delay there.
p.19 #8 · Official Z Series Camera and Lens Discussion
Lance B wrote:
I generally like Matt Granger's work, but sometimes.....
A month back he was defending Nikon's use of a single card slot saying it was not a big issue. Now it seems to be a "fatal flaw". Hmmm.
True enough! The whole issue of single card slot is over blown and cannot remember last when I have used both slots even for important functions. For some photographers it is important so it is a tough call. It will be interesting to watch the discussion after 6 months as the some of big issues dissipate and sensibility comes back
p.19 #9 · Official Z Series Camera and Lens Discussion
charles.K wrote:
True enough! The whole issue of single card slot is over blown and cannot remember last when I have used both slots even for important functions. For some photographers it is important so it is a tough call. It will be interesting to watch the discussion after 6 months as the some of big issues dissipate and sensibility comes back
Couldn't agree more. I have *never ever* used the second card slot as a back up, only as an overflow and even then I have never had a card fill up to the point I needed an over flow. If I did, then I would just swap the card out and continue. Same with the battery life. It takes, what, 30 seconds to swap out a battery?
The other factor here is speed to write and buffer etc. Let's say Nikon used an SD card as a back up. The camera will only wrote as fast as the slowest card, thus the advantage of the XQD card is lost. Not only that, but it takes twice as long to write to two cards anyway. Nikon themselves have said that it was all about *speed*, partly stills but partly video write speed etc. If they had two cards and it was slow to write and clear the buffer, then we'd be having complaints about that or about how bl00dy big the camera was because now it had to accommodate two cards! The very fact that the camera is so diminutive and light is one of the main advantages of it and why I bought it. If the Z7 was as big as my D850, then I wouldn't have bought it, I would have kept using my D850 as it is still the best all round camera money can buy. It does *everything* I want except it is big and heavy.
As you say, if you really *need* two cards, then this camera is not for you.
p.19 #10 · Official Z Series Camera and Lens Discussion
Lance B wrote:
Same with the battery life. It takes, what, 30 seconds to swap out a battery?
If you only need to do this once in a while then yes I agree but frequent battery changes are a hassle. You not only have to change the battery, you have to buy the extra batteries, keep them charged, and keep up with which ones are charged. It's also an extra hassle when you need to change batteries in less than ideal weather. But it seems to me that the Z7 battery life is good enough for this to not be an issue for most people.
p.19 #11 · Official Z Series Camera and Lens Discussion
RobCD wrote:
If you only need to do this once in a while then yes I agree but frequent battery changes are a hassle. You not only have to change the battery, you have to buy the extra batteries, keep them charged, and keep up with which ones are charged. It's also an extra hassle when you need to change batteries in less than ideal weather. But it seems to me that the Z7 battery life is good enough for this to not be an issue for most people.
Well, it seems as though you can get at least 1,000+ shots out of a charge. That's a hell of a lot of shooting, even at a weddings, or races, or even shooting birds in flight, which I do regularly. I shot almost 1000 shots a few weeks ago chasing peregrines with my D850. In that scenario, the Z7 would have done well over a 1000 as I was not chimping much. This would have been a situation where changing a battery was a non issue. So, I can't see it being a hassle as unless you do machine gun shooting then I can't see that being a hassle either and when you do machine gun shooting you end up with way more than the 1000+ shots on a charge anyway. So, you wouldn't be changing batteries all that much. The fact of the matter is, it is not a sports camera and should not be viewed as such and thus wouldn't be doing much of this constant shooting, other than for weddings maybe. It is more a general purpose camera and in that guise it is well more than adequate for battery life.
As for buying another battery? Well, I have a back up battery for my D850 and when I had my D500 as well I actually had 4 but sold the extra with the D500. I really do not think people would be overly concerned in buying an extra battery when you've just spent $4,000+ on the Z7 kit. To me it's just a no brainer. To be complaining about having to buy another battery is a little bit nitpicking in the grand scheme of things.
p.19 #12 · Official Z Series Camera and Lens Discussion
Lance B wrote:
Well, it seems as though you can get at least 1,000+ shots out of a charge. That's a hell of a lot of shooting, even at a weddings, or races, or even shooting birds in flight, which I do regularly. I shot almost 1000 shots a few weeks ago chasing peregrines with my D850. In that scenario, the Z7 would have done well over a 1000 as I was not chimping much. This would have been a situation where changing a battery was a non issue. So, I can't see it being a hassle as unless you do machine gun shooting then I can't see that being a hassle either and when you do machine gun shooting you end up with way more than the 1000+ shots on a charge anyway. So, you wouldn't be changing batteries all that much. The fact of the matter is, it is not a sports camera and should not be viewed as such and thus wouldn't be doing much of this constant shooting, other than for weddings maybe. It is more a general purpose camera and in that guise it is well more than adequate for battery life.
As for buying another battery? Well, I have a back up battery for my D850 and when I had my D500 as well I actually had 4 but sold the extra with the D500. I really do not think people would be overly concerned in buying an extra battery when you've just spent $4,000+ on the Z7 kit. To me it's just a no brainer. To be complaining about having to buy another battery is a little bit nitpicking in the grand scheme of things. ...Show more →
I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't saying the Z7 battery life is bad enough to cause the issues I mentioned, I was talking in general terms. If, for example, the CIPA ratings for the Z7 matched actual experience many people would be buying 3, 4 or more and that is a hassle to me. But I agree with you, the battery life appears to be much better than the rating and so this isn't the issue it could have been. I don't consider the cost of one spare battery as an added expense anyway because I always buy a spare even if it rarely gets used.
p.19 #14 · Official Z Series Camera and Lens Discussion
1bwana1 wrote:
Another pretty balanced comparison to go along with Matt Granger. Posted without comment from me...
There is nothing balanced in that video, comparing an APS-C camera to high MP cameras, and A9 camera designed and built for sports and wildlife photography.
That video can't touch Matt's video, IMO, sorry.
p.19 #15 · Official Z Series Camera and Lens Discussion
Why so defensive?
The title, and point of the video was "mirrorless cameras for sport photography". In that domain, exists APS-C, High MP, Mid MP, and a broad range of price. The maker of the video set the parameters of the video, and his goals. I guess he just didn't do it the way you want him to. Hopefully, others may find it useful in choosing a mirrorless camera system for sports photography. The only reason I posted to this thread was it included the Z7. There was no particular focus on the Z7 good or bad. The Z7 it is not being marketed as a sports camera so I didn't think it would offend.
p.19 #16 · Official Z Series Camera and Lens Discussion
1bwana1 wrote:
Why so defensive?
The title, and point of the video was "mirrorless cameras for sport photography". In that domain, exists APS-C, High MP, Mid MP, and a broad range of price. The maker of the video set the parameters of the video, and his goals. I guess he just didn't do it the way you want him to. Hopefully, others may find it useful in choosing a mirrorless camera system for sports photography. The only reason I posted to this thread was it included the Z7. There was no particular focus on the Z7 good or bad. The Z7 it is not being marketed as a sports camera so I didn't think it would offend....Show more →
It's your choice what you want to post, and how you want to interpret it, but I expressed my feelings about Tony's video.
I don't remember a few years back such a silly comparisons, like recently. People used to know what is made for what.
How about Tony takes Z7 and A7RIII vs A9 and X-T3, to shoot some landscapes, and some high contrast scenes, with high contrast and DR.
Or, let's say, he needs a high MP image to cover some huge building wall. Let's see how those cameras compare.
Tony's video is just a click-bait, IMO.
p.19 #17 · Official Z Series Camera and Lens Discussion
I would love to see some videos like those you describe. It would be interesting. I am confident that the order of ranking would change given those criteria.
I think the term is Click-Bait. Still, your English is way better than my French.
p.19 #18 · Official Z Series Camera and Lens Discussion
1bwana1 wrote:
Why so defensive?
The title, and point of the video was "mirrorless cameras for sport photography". In that domain, exists APS-C, High MP, Mid MP, and a broad range of price. The maker of the video set the parameters of the video, and his goals. I guess he just didn't do it the way you want him to. Hopefully, others may find it useful in choosing a mirrorless camera system for sports photography. The only reason I posted to this thread was it included the Z7. There was no particular focus on the Z7 good or bad. The Z7 it is not being marketed as a sports camera so I didn't think it would offend....Show more →
Again off topic as the Z7 or Z6 was never intended for sports photography The Z7 is a high MP MILC capable of producing outstanding images in line with D850. We are still waiting for test results with Leica M lenses with the 1.1 mm sensor cover as in the initial testing proved to be very promising. This will open a completely new avenue for the Z7 and I suspect the Z6 also.
p.19 #19 · Official Z Series Camera and Lens Discussion
1bwana1 wrote:
I would love to see some videos like those you describe. It would be interesting. I am confident that the order of ranking would change given those criteria.
I think the term is Click-Bait. Still, your English is way better than my French.
...thanks for correction...btw, very stylish way, I have to admit it!
p.19 #20 · Official Z Series Camera and Lens Discussion
charles.K wrote:
Again off topic as the Z7 or Z6 was never intended for sports photography The Z7 is a high MP MILC capable of producing outstanding images in line with D850. We are still waiting for test results with Leica M lenses with the 1.1 mm sensor cover as in the initial testing proved to be very promising. This will open a completely new avenue for the Z7 and I suspect the Z6 also.
Most of the people understand that, who know something about photography, but I think these "new fashion comparison reviews" are designed for those who know little, but those create traffic on youtube.
That's my take on this, otherwise why would anyone compare A9 and A7RIII for sports, let's forget Z7 for a moment.
Bottom line, those kind of videos create nothing that confusion, IMO.
I have some friends that have fully embraced the Z7 for videos alongside their D850/D5.
...thanks for correction...btw, very stylish way, I have to admit it!