RexGig0 wrote:
Yes, sad, indeed. This factor is one of the main reasons I have not added a Sony body. Now, it is another potential reason to avoid the EOS R. (I have relatively thin fingers, so my ungloved hands may be OK. The problem is that my ungloved fingers can get cold relatively easily.)
I haven't viewed the video but indeed, it could be a sad sad situation -
but easily remedied by altering the balance and handling of a small camera body with a large lens - it can be done!
I'm lightly invested in the Sony system, I'd switch if the EOS R offered a significant advantage. This is a first-generation product, lacking in several key features vs. Sony. I'll wait.
The EOS R looks to be an excellent replacement for my 6D, more-so than the 6D MkII. Barring any bizarre issues to be unearthed, I can say with good confidence that I will pick one up in a few-months-to-a-year after its initial release with a RF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM, and maybe the RF 35mm f/1.8 IS Macro STM, to complement my existing 5DS/EF system. It's a pretty perfect fit for me.
(It should be noted that my entry into the Canon fold was a 6D + EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM kit, so obviously this formula speaks well to me.)
Whether I will invest in the RF 50mm f/1.2L USM and RF 28-70mm f/2L USM will be dependent on where Canon takes the system in the next iteration.
They can‘t improve to the point of avoiding inducing eye fatigue as this is linked to the inherent traits of the technology - the inage is created by emitting light (almost all of the times more or less than the ambient light and with a small but oerceivable lag). These two discrepancies are the root of the problem for me. Not even the best EVF are remotey acceptable to me - only if both eyes receive identical images my problem is resolved... OVF is unproblematic even if it transmits less light due to lens speed... So never ever it is for me, I simply don‘t enjoy using an EVF (considerable discomfort ensues) and there are no benefits from the EVF that have any interest to me (crutches for the inept snapshooters in my opinion)...
charlyw wrote:
They can‘t improve to the point of avoiding inducing eye fatigue as this is linked to the inherent traits of the technology - the inage is created by emitting light (almost all of the times more or less than the ambient light and with a small but oerceivable lag). These two discrepancies are the root of the problem for me. Not even the best EVF are remotey acceptable to me - only if both eyes receive identical images my problem is resolved... OVF is unproblematic even if it transmits less light due to lens speed... So never ever it is for me, I simply don‘t enjoy using an EVF (considerable discomfort ensues) and there are no benefits from the EVF that have any interest to me (crutches for the inept snapshooters in my opinion)......Show more →
yes, physics will dictate EVF will never be as precise as an optical viewfinder
but if it's 99% will anyone still pay a premium for a real single lens reflex camera
Interested in the camera and the 50, 28-70 and 35.
I shoot most often with the 5dsr the loss of resolution is cause to pause.
Nothing wrong with 30MPx it is more than the other cameras I regularily use
Leica Monochrom for B&W 24 MPx
5d MKIIs modified for IR and another for Full Spectrum(UV) 21.1MPx
Sony A7s II for video and some extreme lowlight shooting 12MPx
1Dx for action photography 18.1MPx
If the R had higher resolution I would definitely go for it.
On the other hand if R is the future I ponder why not get started.
Hmm is CPS pricing available.
On a further-hand the relatively speaking lightweight 400 MKIII costs are in the same ballpark
Or in the far off-hand the Nikon Z7 has the resolution ah but the 58 won't be available til next year.
I like what the R offers and is great for my manual lenses.
The solution get 2 and have one converted to Full Spectrum that's a step up from the modified 5D MKII.
Well, truth is, as a dedicated traveller, I'm looking for lightness and compacity. When I read about the new R lenses specs, I'm quite reluctant to buy such heavy and bulky glasses as the basic advantage of a mirrorless system fades away. So there is no big incentive for me to switch from a DSLR 5d4 and L lenses to the new R mirrorless system. For trekking and leasure travel, I prefer the M system. Unfortunately the M lens offer is poor and I'm not sure about the future of this M Line. No news about a M5II...
For the price of just over $2000, this seems like a great system. With basic EF adapter at 100$, it's like getting a 5d4 with lots of extra features. I will sit on the sidelines and wait this one out to see what the real world experience is with the camera, but on paper it looks great.
- Interested in what level of AA filtering the sensor has.
- The high iso shots (12,800) posted on other boards look very clean. Is it really as good as what has been posted ?
- AF performance with a tele lens interests me.
- All the manual focus features look interesting, want to hear what MF shooters think about using it.
- Battery life ?
- Sensor dust issues ?
JP
jpeter wrote:
For the price of just over $2000, this seems like a great system. With basic EF adapter at 100$, it's like getting a 5d4 with lots of extra features. I will sit on the sidelines and wait this one out to see what the real world experience is with the camera, but on paper it looks great.
- Interested in what level of AA filtering the sensor has.
- The high iso shots (12,800) posted on other boards look very clean. Is it really as good as what has been posted ?
- AF performance with a tele lens interests me.
- All the manual focus features look interesting, want to hear what MF shooters think about using it.
- Battery life ?
- Sensor dust issues ?
JP...Show more →
You get the 5d4 sensor presumably, but you lose dual card, faster burst, and better 1d type AF. Sure you get other stuff but it depends on what is important.
I checked 2nd yes. If the EVF is of Sony A9s quality, I am pretty sure this EOS "R" might be my next camera investigation. Together with an adapter it would give me all I need aand much more.
Missing thumb wheel AND joystick sounds horrible. But meanwhile I learned to get along without the joystick and I do not really like 6Ds thumb wheel / multi controller solution.
AF point selection via touchscreen could be a great progress in my opinion. So I will see.
I think my Canon 5DIII will last some 5 years more, I will wait and see when some or most of the following things happen:
-IBIS
-Two cards
-larger batery
-4K video at 60fps but ideally at 120fps
-50 to 60 MP with great low ISO DR and 1 full stop better ISO than 5DIII
-10fps with AF tracking
I guess in 5 years, there will be way more native lens and EF lenses will fall quite a bit in price.
I am in principle heading toward a body upgrade in this price range, as my venerable 5D is getting old. The EOS-R has to make a good case for itself to get my money though: DR close to the 5D4 and some easy way to adjust the AF point whilst looking through the VF are a must. Focus peaking for MF lenses would be nice too, and decent AF tracking performance with EF lenses. I haven't seen any mention of these in the previews i've watched so far, but if it doesn't distinguish itself from the 6D2 then i'm definitely not buying it.
15Bit wrote:
I am in principle heading toward a body upgrade in this price range, as my venerable 5D is getting old. The EOS-R has to make a good case for itself to get my money though: DR close to the 5D4 and some easy way to adjust the AF point whilst looking through the VF are a must. Focus peaking for MF lenses would be nice too, and decent AF tracking performance with EF lenses. I haven't seen any mention of these in the previews i've watched so far, but if it doesn't distinguish itself from the 6D2 then i'm definitely not buying it. ...Show more →
Most of those features seem to exist. AF point selection while looking through the viewfinder is achieved similar to the new M5, and people seem to like it a alot better than the multi-controller, seemingly as good as the joystick. While looking through the viewfinder, your thumb can track across the touchscreen for AF point selection.
I just read that the EOS R will support focus peaking for MF lenses, which is surprising because I hadn't heard this ementioned before. This was a big request and it looks like they delivered.
AF tracking capability is yet to be determinded. I have no experience with Canons DPAF system, and don't now much about how well it tracks. It shoukd perform as perfectly with EF lenses as any other EF body would, though. There's no reason it wouldn't.
I am in the same boat, but now seriously considering trying out A7rIII as it checks all the boxes except 4k @ 30fps. I am not quite into video so that may not be limiting factor. I am talking myself into selling my 300 2.8 IS + 7D II and buy a A7RIII. Lets see if I get motivated enough to do it.
AaronNegro wrote:
I think my Canon 5DIII will last some 5 years more, I will wait and see when some or most of the following things happen:
-IBIS
-Two cards
-larger batery
-4K video at 60fps but ideally at 120fps
-50 to 60 MP with great low ISO DR and 1 full stop better ISO than 5DIII
-10fps with AF tracking
I guess in 5 years, there will be way more native lens and EF lenses will fall quite a bit in price.
AaronNegro wrote:
I think my Canon 5DIII will last some 5 years more, I will wait and see when some or most of the following things happen:
-IBIS
-Two cards
-larger batery
-4K video at 60fps but ideally at 120fps
-50 to 60 MP with great low ISO DR and 1 full stop better ISO than 5DIII
-10fps with AF tracking
I guess in 5 years, there will be way more native lens and EF lenses will fall quite a bit in price.
The battery is already about 80g so I doubt it will get any larger. Perhaps capacity will inch up a bit, but in the smallish bodies a battery grip is the expected solution.
