I also have a 5D3 and will not be buying an R which seems to be more like a 6D than a 5D. I'll probably just pick up a used 5D4 and see what Canon does down the line.
Mike_5D wrote:
I also have a 5D3 and will not be buying an R which seems to be more like a 6D than a 5D. I'll probably just pick up a used 5D4 and see what Canon does down the line.
I'm curious why you think this. In the EOS R, you essentially get a 5D4 for the price of a 6D...eye AF, 5600 AF points, AF at f/11 are all huge gains even for a 5D4... I don't care about IBIS (I"m not very impressed with my Sony A6500 IBIS), I don't care about video. I don't care about lack of a dual memory slot - I've never taken advantage of the dual slots on my 5D3, 5DSR and 7DII - I'm not a wedding photographer and I have never had a memory card failure. The fully articulate flip screen is also a god-sent. I can't remember how many times I have cursed having to crouch and lie down on dirty grounds for low angle shots using my 5D3 and 5DSR.
I have just abandoned my plan to pick up a Sony full frame for this camera. The only problem with me now is how not to get kicked out of the house by the better half for picking up a fifth body...
Having low expectations for the adapters, I was looking at this launch as a clean slate. Most of my lenses are adapted manual focus, not native Nikon anyway, so I'm not too hung up on brand loyalty. But neither the Z nor R really blew me away. I really wasn't looking to replace my D850 so soon anyway. I'm hopeful one of these companies will sell me a gen2 body though.
diverhank wrote:
I'm curious why you think this. In the EOS R, you essentially get a 5D4 for the price of a 6D...eye AF, 5600 AF points, AF at f/11 are all huge gains even for a 5D4... I don't care about IBIS (I"m not very impressed with my Sony A6500 IBIS), I don't care about video. I don't care about lack of a dual memory slot - I've never taken advantage of the dual slots on my 5D3, 5DSR and 7DII - I'm not a wedding photographer and I have never had a memory card failure. The fully articulate flip screen is also a god-sent. I can't remember how many times I have cursed having to crouch and lie down on dirty grounds for low angle shots using my 5D3 and 5DSR.
I have just abandoned my plan to pick up a Sony full frame for this camera. The only problem with me now is how not to get kicked out of the house by the better half for picking up a fifth body......Show more →
I really doubt Canon is going to sell a 5D4 replacement for 6D2 prices so the price alone tells me where Canon thinks it fits in their lineup. They are the market leader who withholds features from cheaper cameras to drive more expensive sales, not the scrappy upstart who gives you the moon for a song. The single card slot and low FPS also tell me this is a 6D2 mirrorless. I'm not convinced that the AF is up to 5D4 standards until I see some in-depth reviews by people who aren't on Canon's payroll. Yeah I know it will focus down to -6 EV, but the devil is in the details. The real test of an AF system is reliably tracking motion in dim, low-contrast light with a single AF point.
I would expect a 6D level camera to have more MP than the last 6D level camera did. I would expect a new 5D level camera to have more MP than the last 5D level camera did.
I owouod expect a 5D level camera to have more advanced AF tracking than this appears to have. Yes, the R has more advanced tracking than the 6DII did, but I would expect that, too. As far as the - 6EV focusing, that was always a 6D feature. The original 6D could focus in lower light than it's contemporary, the 5DIII.
The 6D level cameras have always had more creature comforts, like wifi, GPS, flip out screens, abs touchscreens. Even the 5D level cameras haven't had all of these things while the 6D level cameras have had them.
Does the EOS R perform above the 6DII? Yes, absolutely. Does it beat the 5DIV in a couple of ways? Maybe. Time will tell. But it isn't a 5DV.i would expect them to release something along the lines of an upgraded 5DIV if it were meant to be a 5D level camera.
Just remember that Cano specs always look good on paper, but llet'ssee how it really performs. I dont see the eos-r keeping up with sports, or just generally doing what the 5d4 does. Eye AF is just a continuation of face detect which the 5d4 already has, but it is nothing like the Sony version.
TeamSpeed wrote:
Just remember that Cano specs always look good on paper, but llet'ssee how it really performs. I dont see the eos-r keeping up with sports, or just generally doing what the 5d4 does. Eye AF is just a continuation of face detect which the 5d4 already has, but it is nothing like the Sony version.
I've seen people say the opposite - that Canon cameras don't look as good spec wise on paper but work better in the hand.
Interested to see where this one lies, the specs for a few things are a bit lower than I was expecting, video and fps in particular
Mike_5D wrote:
I really doubt Canon is going to sell a 5D4 replacement for 6D2 prices so the price alone tells me where Canon thinks it fits in their lineup. They are the market leader who withholds features from cheaper cameras to drive more expensive sales, not the scrappy upstart who gives you the moon for a song. The single card slot and low FPS also tell me this is a 6D2 mirrorless. I'm not convinced that the AF is up to 5D4 standards until I see some in-depth reviews by people who aren't on Canon's payroll. Yeah I know it will focus down to -6 EV, but the devil is in the details. The real test of an AF system is reliably tracking motion in dim, low-contrast light with a single AF point. ...Show more →
I'm also waiting for real life performance reviews - and hoping mirrorless prices eventually come down
I'll be staying with my Canon DSLR cameras and my Sony A7rII. I have many Canon lenses, some with IS and some without. The Sony gives me stabilization with ALL my Canon lenses which is an advantage. With the Sony, I get stabilization with all my manual lenses as well, and the magnification tool via the EVF is great for manual focus. Plus the Sony has more resolution, and the AF with Canon lenses is near perfect with the MC-11 adapter. I can't find any reasons to switch from the Sony to the Canon R.
I only have one 1Dx2 body now, I only expect the actual selling price of the R body low enough (totally agree it is just a 6D level camera) several months later and I will buy one for fun, should buy the RF 50/1.2L at the same time.
ggreene wrote:
66% say no. Forum members are a pretty small percentage of the market but that's still some tough results on a Canon forum.
These internet forums are indeed an extremely small percentage of the actual camera-buying market. I also suspect that the number of forum members whose buying habits match what they post in these threads is also very small...
CW100 wrote:
yes, physics will dictate EVF will never be as precise as an optical viewfinder
Except for one critical thing - focus accuracy. No more need for lens microadjustments with an EVF (although that will probably disappoint those that like to play with lens adjustment whether they need to or not...)
molson wrote:
I would buy one just for the -6 EV focusing - low light AF is one area where every Sony I've tried fails miserably, especially with longer lenses.
-6EV focusing is a pretty huge advantage to have, I thought the previous best was low light AF'er -4EV with a Nikon body (D5??). I'd be interested to see where the PDAF and CDAF cutoffs are if the AF works the same other mirrorless systems. I know Canon has the dual pixel AF I really don't know much about. I can't understand why the initial reception to these systems is so negative. 5DIV sensor in a new mirrorless mount with -6EV focusing and a 28-70 f/2 zoom and 58 f/1.2 prime seems like pretty killer kit for low light event shooting and portraiture. The lenses are going to be expensive but the body price is quite reasonable. Doesn't it have IBIS with native lenses too? What don't people like
rbf_ wrote:
-6EV focusing is a pretty huge advantage to have, I thought the previous best was low light AF'er -4EV with a Nikon body (D5??). I'd be interested to see where the PDAF and CDAF cutoffs are if the AF works the same other mirrorless systems. I know Canon has the dual pixel AF I really don't know much about. I can't understand why the initial reception to these systems is so negative. 5DIV sensor in a new mirrorless mount with -6EV focusing and a 28-70 f/2 zoom and 58 f/1.2 prime seems like pretty killer kit for low light event shooting and portraiture. The lenses are going to be expensive but the body price is quite reasonable. Doesn't it have IBIS with native lenses too? What don't people like ...Show more →
Dual pixel AF is pure phase-detect according to a Canon video I saw. I'm very suspicious of the -6 EV stat.
