ggreene wrote:
Watching that Cameralabs video you can see that the EOS-R has the same issue as the Sony bodies. His fingers are jammed up against that zoom. Way too narrow a space.
Hopefully Canon comes up with better ergonomics than that for the higher end. Sad.
ggreene wrote:
Watching that Cameralabs video you can see that the EOS-R has the same issue as the Sony bodies. His fingers are jammed up against that zoom. Way too narrow a space.
Hopefully Canon comes up with better ergonomics than that for the higher end. Sad.
Yes, sad, indeed. This factor is one of the main reasons I have not added a Sony body. Now, it is another potential reason to avoid the EOS R. (I have relatively thin fingers, so my ungloved hands may be OK. The problem is that my ungloved fingers can get cold relatively easily.)
ggreene wrote:
Watching that Cameralabs video you can see that the EOS-R has the same issue as the Sony bodies. His fingers are jammed up against that zoom. Way too narrow a space.
Hopefully Canon comes up with better ergonomics than that for the higher end. Sad.
From what I'm seeing (I have not held one yet, how bout you?) he has room for his right grip hand as well as room for his left fingers in there. And there is actually a grip on this body that you can wrap your hands around.
IMHO Canon is the first to finally get the ergo right on a FF mirrorless. I'm Looking forward to actually holding one and seeing first hand how it feels, but from what I've seen so far, it's a big winner on the ergo scale.
Funny everyone cries they want small lightweight mirrorless bodies but then cry because it's too small. 1st world problems.
I have not held one yet but that video is not inspiring a lot of confidence. While a lot of people are pining for smaller bodies I'd actually like to see a variety of ML body options. Would love to see a high performance ML in the 7D2/5D4 size. That would be more optimum for me.
ggreene wrote:
I have not held one yet but that video is not inspiring a lot of confidence. While a lot of people are pining for smaller bodies I'd actually like to see a variety of ML body options. Would love to see a high performance ML in the 7D2/5D4 size. That would be more optimum for me.
Canon will cripple this and every release is only trying to catch up to the competitor, better off buying the spec that up to your needs.
ggreene wrote:
I have not held one yet but that video is not inspiring a lot of confidence. While a lot of people are pining for smaller bodies I'd actually like to see a variety of ML body options. Would love to see a high performance ML in the 7D2/5D4 size. That would be more optimum for me.
Agreed. I don't want a toy camera that I need to hold delicately with a few fingers or have to toss a huge battery grip on to feel comfortable. I want something I can grab onto and not worry about it slipping out of my hand.
I wouldn't mind a 7DIII the same size of my 6DII. Especially if it was a mirrorless low light/high ISO monster coming in at 7-10fps.
lighthound wrote:
Agreed. I don't want a toy camera that I need to hold delicately with a few fingers or have to toss a huge battery grip on to feel comfortable. I want something I can grab onto and not worry about it slipping out of my hand.
I wouldn't mind a 7DIII the same size of my 6DII. Especially if it was a mirrorless low light/high ISO monster coming in at 7-10fps.
My focus is landscape (mpx, battery life and features) and big animals (mpx, fps, and features). I have 5dsr and 7dii.
The R misses the mark for me on landscape - it would constrain me to printing 1/3 smaller. eg 51 vs 30 mpx. It also misses the mark on battery life. Likely 1/2. And no small lens for hiking/backpacking. It is better on weight by 300grams. And I really like the adapter with in line nd filter built in - this would be fantastic for my ts17. But on balance I will stick with the 5dsr for the 51mpx.
The R just barely improves vs 5dsr for me on wildlife. 5fps vs 5 fps on my 5dsr. Likely a faster buffer clear since smaller files. Way less battery life. Less mpx. No dual slots. More dynamic range is appealing vs 5dsr. On balance, its likely better than 5dsr which is frustrating for buffer clear, slow histogram, and less dynamic range. But the question is this - the 5div is a better camera for this. Same dynamic range (guess), faster fps, dual slots.
I am excited by the mount . I might still buy it to try it but really I need:
EOS R - Fast for wildlife
EOS R - big Mpx for landscape
I will buy an R system, but not for several years, since I have a 5Ds. At some point in the future I will probably convert over fully to R when there is a 5Ds oriented model in the line. For now, I am the weakest link in my system and I don't see the need to always have the latest and greatest whether it is SLR or MILC.
"A complete dud"? Get real.
The R system is well thought out and will stand the test of time. It is typical Canon behavior to not be the first, not be bleeding edge, but to bring solid carefully considered designs intended to carry systems forward for a long time. Even so Canon does innovate, and the R lens ring to control the camera is brilliant.
ggreene wrote:
66% say no. Forum members are a pretty small percentage of the market but that's still some tough results on a Canon forum.
Uhhh... This is one camera. Why should every Canon shooter want this one (low-mid range, amateur level camera)?! Let's call this camera a 6DII replacement.
Let's start another poll. How many FMers own a 6DII? If it is more than 18%, I'll be surprised.
To put it another way, let's say that the FM community isn't any more negative than the rest of the Canon market. Let's say that the FM community is perfectly representative of the Canon community. Then they're going to sell one of these to 18% of all pro-am Canon users. Looks like they've done pretty well! Imagine how many they make an advanced amateur level camera!
Scott Stoness wrote:
My focus is landscape (mpx, battery life and features) and big animals (mpx, fps, and features). I have 5dsr and 7dii.
The R misses the mark for me on landscape - it would constrain me to printing 1/3 smaller. eg 51 vs 30 mpx. It also misses the mark on battery life. Likely 1/2. And no small lens for hiking/backpacking. It is better on weight by 300grams. And I really like the adapter with in line nd filter built in - this would be fantastic for my ts17. But on balance I will stick with the 5dsr for the 51mpx.
The R just barely improves vs 5dsr for me on wildlife. 5fps vs 5 fps on my 5dsr. Likely a faster buffer clear since smaller files. Way less battery life. Less mpx. No dual slots. More dynamic range is appealing vs 5dsr. On balance, its likely better than 5dsr which is frustrating for buffer clear, slow histogram, and less dynamic range. But the question is this - the 5div is a better camera for this. Same dynamic range (guess), faster fps, dual slots.
I am excited by the mount . I might still buy it to try it but really I need:
EOS R - Fast for wildlife
EOS R - big Mpx for landscape
And now may put on hold lens purchases while waiting for R mounts. I was going to swap out my 100-400 v1 with 100-400 v2, I debated swapping my 24-70 v1 (family lens) for the 24-70v2 but now I need to re-examine. I was going to buy a 12mm UWA - maybe I should wait? R mount might be better for UWA?
Likely just spend on though. Its to much fun too stop.
EOS R is not 6dii replacement. In fact, it it exceeds 5div in almost every way except AF tracking, battery life and card slot. EVF, articulating screen, a magnitude more af points, true silent shooting option, compatibility with ef-s lenses, addl video codec options, uncompressed 4k hdmi output (10bit 4:2:2), addl control via control ring even with EF lenses, etc.
6dii was the most dissapointing release at a price point due to the use of decade old sensor tech, af and video specs. It should have never been priced above $1499 at launch. It was an example of Canon’s anti-consumer behavior and we won’t easily forget that.
amacal1 wrote:
Uhhh... This is one camera. Why should every Canon shooter want this one (low-mid range, amateur level camera)?! Let's call this camera a 6DII replacement.
Let's start another poll. How many FMers own a 6DII? If it is more than 18%, I'll be surprised.
To put it another way, let's say that the FM community isn't any more negative than the rest of the Canon market. Let's say that the FM community is perfectly representative of the Canon community. Then they're going to sell one of these to 18% of all pro-am Canon users. Looks like they've done pretty well! Imagine how many they make an advanced amateur level camera!...Show more →
amacal1 wrote:
Uhhh... This is one camera. Why should every Canon shooter want this one (low-mid range, amateur level camera)?! Let's call this camera a 6DII replacement.
Let's start another poll. How many FMers own a 6DII? If it is more than 18%, I'll be surprised.
To put it another way, let's say that the FM community isn't any more negative than the rest of the Canon market. Let's say that the FM community is perfectly representative of the Canon community. Then they're going to sell one of these to 18% of all pro-am Canon users. Looks like they've done pretty well! Imagine how many they make an advanced amateur level camera!...Show more →
Polls are interesting as people that say no most likely mean it but people that say yes still have to open their wallets and pull that trigger. That's a lot harder for most than just saying yes to a poll.
artsf wrote:
EOS R is not 6dii replacement. In fact, it it exceeds 5div in almost every way except AF tracking, battery life and card slot. EVF, articulating screen, a magnitude more af points, true silent shooting option, compatibility with ef-s lenses, addl video codec options, uncompressed 4k hdmi output (10bit 4:2:2), addl control via control ring even with EF lenses, etc.
6dii was the most dissapointing release at a price point due to the use of decade old sensor tech, af and video specs. It should have never been priced above $1499 at launch. It was an example of Canon’s anti-consumer behavior and we won’t easily forget that.
I love my 6D2 but I paid $1299 for it with kit lens from CanonDirect last Fall. It's basically a FF Rebel. In terms of AF and IQ it certainly exceeds my abilities and bests anything I owned before it (5D, 5D2, 6D, 80D, etc.). It's the bottom of Canon's FF range and a "budget" offering but if you want cutting edge and high end features you should plan to buy a higher model and pay more.
artsf wrote:
EOS R is not 6dii replacement. In fact, it it exceeds 5div in almost every way
If it does exceed (or even meet) 5DIV image quality performance, then a pair of new EOS R cameras might be a perfect updgrade for my pair of EOS 6D cameras: 50% increase in megapixels, improvement in DR, reduction in high-ISO noise, AF in even dimmer conditions. Perfect.
I expect the next EOS R camera will be the 5DIV and/or 1DXII and/or 5DS replacement.
So everyone thinks there will be no 5DV and the 5D line will be replaced with mirrorless moving forward? I still prefer the old school shutters...please deliver one more Canon, and make the 5DV a screamer.
I see the EOS R as the iPhone 1.....it has a long way to go.
artsf wrote:
EOS R is not 6dii replacement. In fact, it it exceeds 5div in almost every way except AF tracking, battery life and card slot. EVF, articulating screen, a magnitude more af points, true silent shooting option, compatibility with ef-s lenses, addl video codec options, uncompressed 4k hdmi output (10bit 4:2:2), addl control via control ring even with EF lenses, etc.
6dii was the most dissapointing release at a price point due to the use of decade old sensor tech, af and video specs. It should have never been priced above $1499 at launch. It was an example of Canon’s anti-consumer behavior and we won’t easily forget that.
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Don’t forget the joy stick for AF point movement. One point 5div
The really nice rocker switch.... for me... iso change. One point 5div
Still need to determine af spot size + lock on speed when dark
artsupreme wrote:
So everyone thinks there will be no 5DV and the 5D line will be replaced with mirrorless moving forward?
Only Canon's future releases will reveal their intentions, unless and until they release an EOS system-wide roadmap.
artsupreme wrote:
... I still prefer the old school shutters...
I don't think the R shutter's that much different from the current DSLR lineup. It's your basic 30 sec. to 1/8000 sec mechanical shutter. The camera also has (undoubtably) electronic first and/or second curtain shutters too, but their respective behaviour is yet to be determined. As are DR, noise, and all kinds of things that should be known, before I'll decide about buying.
jcolwell wrote:
Only Canon's future releases will reveal their intentions, unless and until they release an EOS system-wide roadmap.
I don't think the R shutter's that much different from the current DSLR lineup. It's your basic 30 sec. to 1/8000 sec mechanical shutter. The camera also has (undoubtably) electronic first and/or second curtain shutters too, but their respective behaviour is yet to be determined. As are DR, noise, and all kinds of things that should be known, before I'll decide about buying.
