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 p.49 #16 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread | |
Fair points in general and I agree on several of the items that should be simple fixes. But I don’t think it’s quite fair to say that the Z’s are unacceptable in the current market. Sure there are better but what does it compare too? The R6? I’ve used it and don’t feel the Z6II gives up much of anything in general. The A7III? The older Sony is a bit cheaper but has a lower res EVF, and it’s AF is faster but it’s shutter feels a good bit less responsive so I’m not sure it’s a real advantage. The S5, priced the same and Nikon arguably has a better lens stable and ergonomics. Not to mention some nifty tricks like a 900 second shutter and the all around good camera the Z6 was.
Nikon maybe needs an A9/R6 competitor but those aren’t bread and butter products, those are niche products. Nikon basically said they’re focusing on bread and butter first which is a Grey strategy IMO, even if it leaves enthusiasts a bit disappointed. But A9II’s and exotic lenses are never going to be sales leaders.
But man I wish they’d offer an AF-D adapter and save Non-CPU lens data with anything. The Df can do it with non-AI (ie zero info from a lens) so it’s inexcusable...
zhangyue wrote:
I'd like bring this thread back to give update from Alt forum member point of view.
First, a few rants.
After Z6II and Z7II officially hit the market, I bought back Z6. Why, because I now know next Z7/6 looks like, I feel Z6 is a better buy for me. I have to say I am quite disappoint to see how Z6/7II looks like after almost three years. Nikon pretty much take direction that pushed by youtuber and internet noise. Many may finally feel good about how Z7/6 now, but aren't they good three years ago?
At that time, they are quite special to my eyes because I don't have any unreasonable expectation to first generation MILC based on my sony experience. It is quite a surprise for me that Nikon nailed most spec right. They are still very capable even now. I can't believe how many good images I took a few years back with Z7 after briefly browse this thread.  but after three years, in this state, I personally think it is inadequate. It is so predictable without any surprising. 3 years ago, Z is quite special but now I have to say it is uninspiring. You almost feel they lose confidence themselves that give up their original believe and their product can be predicted now: add 2nd card, add battery grip, improve AF.... bla bla bla....What is next, add battery capacity?
If they want success, they can't be predicable, they can't just follow the path. they need break ground. I don't see that. This is quite sad. I think Nikon need replace all their management who charged their product cycle IMHO to give the company a new life.
Rant over.
I get Z6 back, maybe I should have got a Z7 but my system change quite a bit in past few years. SL2 will take the role Z7 had because they can take m, S and L glasses for better system integration. SL2's high resolution mode is a real deal for pixel pp. I also have a lot more choice for AF glass selection such as Sigma i-series. Sigma's zoom is very good. For travel, they perform as good as Nikon Z. SL don't AF as good, but this is not important for my use. Remember I feel Z7 was the best MILC camera three years ago. Now, I think I can't say the same.
The EVF of Nikon is still great, forget about spec sheet. It is very analog looking VF. AF is a joy. Single SQD card is preferred. I never put two card in any of my camera anyway. I also like the fact it is few tens of g less than version II. Ergo is great as before, with smallRig plate, this is still the best handhold feeling camera I ever used. With other system around, I do wish it offer more programmability on button so that I can match body from each other. Nikon is the least friendly compare to FUJI, Panasonic/Leica in this regard. Using 28/58/105 on Z is main reason I bought Z. It turn out I can't leave without 28/58 and I am look forward to 105.
From alt forum POV, the Z doesn't change much. My complain list on the very first of this thread pretty much unchanged.
1. There is no AF-D support. this is unacceptable. Sony even offered one for their A mount. Nikon have much wider users base than Sony. especially consider they have few superb AFD glasses such as 28 85 105 135 AFD.
2. No EXIF record for dumb adapter even you enter NON CPU lens manually. This is bad for Leica M or any other systems user adapt lens on Nikon. So they don't expect user will adapt classic lenses on their MILC body? where is the FUN factor in their system? This is only a line of code and maybe three minute software job to fix it. Unacceptable.
3. No option to select focus aperture: say you can select "always focus WO" as DSLR (assume so many SLR user base), or you can select f2.8 focus for small aperture to speed up focus and avoid focus shift problem or you can select focus at shooting aperture smaller f5.6 to inspect sun star, DOF etc.. None of above offered.
4. No focus confirmation for dumb adapter. I no longer miss this feature as much as I did given I use a lot less SLR these days but it is one of feature I love about Nikon.
5. No focus mode change on fly. Say if face/eye focus failed, go back to center focus so at least you can get the shot quickly etc.. Leica and Panasonic did this so naturally without you do anything.
6. AF can still be stubborn that focus background without come back.
7. when in magnified view, half press shutter will not bring back full view, you have to hit whichever button brought that view again to go back normal. What? None of camera I used behave like this, Sony, Panasonic, Leica Fuji Sigma you name it.
As you can see, there is really not much changed since its introduction. Small things like these will warm customer heart and get you their support. I don't know what they are doing. It is acceptable 3 years ago that they need time to market but not at this time for me.
Again, the view point is mainly from alt forum background. For most Z users, It is fine as is.
I don't dare to post it in Nikon forum but I will be a Nikon user forever as long as 58g still work. 
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