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p.26 #1 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


wolfloid wrote:
Are you finding you can focus quickly and accurately with this lens on the Z7? Or do you need to use magnification.


I've found with the few lenses I've tried so far, peaking is a real charm with this viewfinder and is even usable with the LCD. The rear screen is 2.1mp (compared to a7iii's viewfinder of 2.3mp) so it seems entirely feasible to train the eye. Magnification seems to be more effort than needed given how good the viewfinder is. It really is that good with manual glass.

However, it would be nice if one could exit magnification with a half press of the shutter button, rather than an assigned button toggle (I'm trying the movie button, it's near the shutter ; - ). Then again, I'm still working through the button options.



Nov 28, 2018 at 02:57 PM
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p.26 #2 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


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Michael, those are some beautiful shots! You will love the 300 PF. It also works very well with the 1.4x.

I've been stalking this thread while contemplating a Z7 as a second body for M lenses (and filming w Nikon zooms). I found the A7riii was great with my 50 and 90, good except the edges for the 35 FLE, but unusable with the 18 (and great with their 24-105). It looks like the Z is a bit better. I really hope Leica hurrys up and puts body stabilization and 50mp in the next M!

Thank you Sir. I have high hope for that 300mm. It will be a handsome combo for a casual bird shooter like me. My son is starting really into bird, he read a lot of book and watch many video about bird in past few months. This pushes me over the edge. I will see how I like it.
I have a feeling SL2 will be your best bet than future M. For rangefinder with long or fast glass, 24M might approach the limit for its focus system can handle. I personally also wish 36+M body, I also like the M the most in field for landscape shooting (though I do need zoom and weather sealing for many situation.) It is so easy and reliable shooting at f8~f11 with rangefinder, you never worry missing focus happen.
Z7 might have a stop or two better than Alpha for difficult rangefinder lenses, however, I don’t think they are as good as M for sure. It is good enough for me as duel user but I will not pay Leica price for using on Z7 for those wider glasses.
Kry27 wrote:
To use all my MF Nikkors, I've always wanted a mirrorless camera with a 36mmx24mm Sensor. I bought a Sony A7 as soon as it was available, and I've been using it ever since. Now, finally, it's time to sell it - I never liked it, I never really felt comfortable with it, it's always been more of a hassle, no love. I got the Z7 now. Images taken with the Z7 and my Nikkors would not qualify for this thread/forum. But then, the Sony A7 still had a positive effect: I've bought some third party lenses that would not
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Congratulation for Z7 and welcome to the thread.
I agree with you about Sony. The latest version may improve many things upon previous generation. Just I didn’t give myself or Sony another chance. They are definitely offering better VALUE at current price point compare to similar spec-ed Z. I can see they have many things done better than Z7 such as AFC and native glass selection…. Just not on my priority list. A few things Z7 did great are really important for me though.
If there is no Sony, I may never see anything like Z7 and 24-70S from Nikon. Sony definitely did lots of great thing for industry.
I had the 35mm f1.2 first version as well. That lens never gets enough love from Leica crowd due to its size and weight. However, I agree with you it deserves a lot better attention than it has now. It offers very smooth and neutral bokeh. It doesn’t have 40mm f1.2’s sharpness at both center and corner but it offers good enough resolution at f1.2. I think I might slightly prefer its bokeh than 40mm f1.2 general speaking. 40mm can have rich painting bokeh but also can have ugly busyness under many conditions.
35mmf1.2 will be a really good fit for Z7 handling and image wise. Your fine images just showed that
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wolfloid wrote:
Are you finding you can focus quickly and accurately with this lens on the Z7? Or do you need to use magnification.

It is good enough for me under most condition for family images. It is better than other camera I used actually (include OVF ones). However, I agree with Mathieu that to maximize the 45M performance for critical images, you want use magnification.
mapgraphs wrote:
However, it would be nice if one could exit magnification with a half press of the shutter button, rather than an assigned button toggle (I'm trying the movie button, it's near the shutter ; - ). Then again, I'm still working through the button options.

Totally agree, I consider this is a bug actually. Sony did this right.
Voigtlander 15mm VCIII at 16X9 mode and cropped further.
Grand Canyon Sunrise
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4841/45156580855_d4e59656d1_h.jpg



Nov 28, 2018 at 04:32 PM
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p.26 #3 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Any experience on using the VM 28/2 on the z7?


Nov 29, 2018 at 01:41 AM
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p.26 #4 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


I'm also finding annoying having to press a button instead of half pressing the shutter for zooming out (Sony ergonomics, so often bashed, win here). I've been reading the Z7 manual but I'm afraid that is not possible to assign zooming out to the shutter. Am I wrong? Perhaps Nikon could implement this function through a new firmware, or I'm being too optimistic?


Nov 29, 2018 at 03:57 AM
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p.26 #5 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Kry27 wrote:
I'm wondering, by the way, why there is so much going on in the Voigtlander 40/1.2 and 50/1.2 threads, while nobody seems to have the wider 35/1.2. Is it so bad? Well, I'm just starting to get used to the combo... First steps.


The Voigtlander 40/1.2 is an exceptional lens. One only has to spend some time in its dedicated thread or look at samples in the FE Images thread to see that a huge number of photographers working in a wide variety of genres bend the 40/1.2 to their own purposes, producing images with a admirable clarity and transparency irregardless of the photographic style or content. More often than not, though, these technically superb pictures seem to me to be lacking in heart. The 50/1.2, being second cab off the rank, isn’t regarded with quite the same degree of enthusiasm because, I believe, the 40/1.2 is also partly functioning as a substitute for the 35/1.8 or 35/2 that Sony resolutely refuses to supply.

As Michael and wolfloid pointed out, the size and weight and the older design of the Voigtlander 35/1.2 mean that it attracts less love from the M crowd than it deserves. Who cares? In your hands, it sings. Although there are lots of ways of appreciating photographs, I frequently think about it in terms of the viewer’s looking at the scene (as though it was a framed picture in a museum) or being in the scene (as though one was participating in the event). Your two family photos fall into the second category, which I greatly prefer. But then I believe that emotion trumps technical excellence every single time.



Nov 29, 2018 at 05:08 AM
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p.26 #6 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


genji wrote:
The Voigtlander 40/1.2 is an exceptional lens. One only has to spend some time in its dedicated thread or look at samples in the FE Images thread to see that a huge number of photographers working in a wide variety of genres bend the 40/1.2 to their own purposes, producing images with a admirable clarity and transparency irregardless of the photographic style or content. More often than not, though, these technically superb pictures seem to me to be lacking in heart. The 50/1.2, being second cab off the rank, isn’t regarded with quite the same degree of enthusiasm because, I
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Agreed. I'm currently selling my Voigt 40/1.2 (Sony E) because I've not heard of any Sony E-Nikon Z to have being developed. (in this case, a dumb adapter would be enough for me). I think it's quite a remarkable lens.



Nov 29, 2018 at 07:05 AM
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p.26 #7 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


ch5 by Suteetat S, on Flickr

Leica 50/2 Apo, f2,



Nov 29, 2018 at 06:37 PM
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p.26 #8 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


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https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4857/46108657231_d4e0643261_o.jpgch5 by Suteetat S, on Flickr

Leica 50/2 Apo, f2,


Wish I can have this lens someday How is it perform on Z7, as good as M, or even better that can take advantage of 45M.

Got 300PF, really nice glass, sharp and lovely handling. I will test it to see if it is in spec. Try some fill frame BIF images, no luck, big difference between Z7 and D850 in this regard. In Iceland, I took many BIF Puffin using 70-200f4 in DX mode, in Auto Area mode, I can just point and fire. Won't work with Z7. Single point can't track as well. It will lose focus and take time to get back. AF wide S or L didn't do much better. Each will perform better under different cases. (depend on how the bird will fill the frame, I give up to change that lively after just a few mins ) I think dynamic mode work the best so far for BIF. For static bird, single or pin point work wonderfully though. That will be my main usage for this set up.

The biggest difference between Z7 and D850 is: if D850 lock the bird, it will not easily let it go, Z7 will suddenly lose focus and take long time to get it back. This happened multiple time in every short BIF event. I am still trying to learn other setting such as AF mode and play with lock delay etc... but i doubt anything magic can happen. No big deal, I expected this. Just want report it anyway. I think I can track some large bird on fly if I am patient which didn't happen for a short lunch break today.

However, one thing also expected, if it lock focus, you'd expect image be sharp sharp sharp even for flying bird. That is still the big advantage of Z7.

Zion with 24-70S in 16X9 and crop

Took this one before sunrise, very cold morning, but light is magic. Zion is still my favorite NP of all I ever visited.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4908/44223161060_101c788674_h.jpg



Nov 29, 2018 at 07:56 PM
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p.26 #9 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Michael, your shots have been awesome


Nov 30, 2018 at 03:30 AM
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p.26 #10 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


suteetat wrote:
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4857/46108657231_d4e0643261_o.jpgch5 by Suteetat S, on Flickr

Leica 50/2 Apo, f2,


Suteetat, wonderful shot! Another lens on my dream list



Nov 30, 2018 at 03:32 AM
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p.26 #11 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Thanks Charles, Michael. 50/2 apo is one of my two favorite Leica lenses. Personally, I think 50/2 apo works very well, even with A7r series. However, I think the lens really shines at f2 for portrait. I think it is
also very good at f8 for landscape but at that F stop, it is not that much better than say a Sigma Art or Sony 50/1.4. So I am pretty much stuck at F2 and if there is any edge smearing there, it is not a big concern for me as I am not exactly looking for corner sharpness for what i use it for anyhow. Although I vaguely remembered that I compare the corner once to Sony 50/1.4 on A7r ii and if anything, the corner on 50/2 apo looks a bit better at f2 than 50/1.4 if I remember correctly.
Here is my other favorite Leica lens.
35/1.4 double ASPH. For portrait, the rendering is beautiful. Although I suppose for landscape, I would go for Zeiss 35/1.4zm or Milvus 35/1.4.

ch9 by Suteetat S, on Flickr


ch10 by Suteetat S, on Flickr





Nov 30, 2018 at 08:55 AM
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p.26 #12 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Suteetat, Another fancy glass I may never be able to own one. Thanks for sharing. I like the BW edit very much. I may someday try 50APO, of course after I clean up a bunch of my glasses. It is a little bit out of control over the years.

The 300mm PF ordered seems well in spec, there is no de-centering. Sharp start from WO. I will test it more during weekend to make sure it is a good one.

Here are a few snaps from yesterday with it. you should take a look pairing it with Z7. It is so handsome .

All WO.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4868/32241994778_a081e1e83f_h.jpg
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4835/46063315722_2cc753e924_h.jpg

one more angle
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4918/32241999328_a642835378_h.jpg

Bokeh
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4895/45201971875_7a5a3db38f_h.jpg



Nov 30, 2018 at 12:56 PM
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p.26 #13 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Another fancy schamancy glass for Z7.

A Konica 60/1.2 hexanon @f1.2,

ch11 by Suteetat S, on Flickr

ch3 by Suteetat S, on Flickr


ch16 by Suteetat S, on Flickr

The lens is probably not ideal in brightly lit or strong sunlight and needs quite a bit of help in post processing. Quite sharp stepping down but it is a lot of fun in the right circumstance at f1.2 though.



Nov 30, 2018 at 07:17 PM
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p.26 #14 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


a few with Zeiss Distagon T* 2/25 ZF.2 iso 64 f/11

https://i.imgur.com/YIZuo91.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Y1RxEAB.jpg

A bit of fringing, but good corners with no smearing or color casts, to be expected with a dslr lens. I loved the 25/2 on the D810, and it's wonderful on the Z7.

In the meantime, another brand of leica m adapter is on order, the Elmar waits patiently, and I am happily using the 24-70 Nikkor S, which continues to impress.

A sudden start to the season here in November.

(Upload compression really did a number on the details...grumble imgur grumble...)




Nov 30, 2018 at 11:19 PM
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p.26 #15 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


More bird shot 300PF

For non BIF 300mm bird shot, you will prefer Z7 to D850. The VF will be 450mm VF than cropped tiny OVF and you will absolutely prefer silent shooting of Z7. And I need every pixel I can in this case

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4818/46141000691_8618247eed_h.jpg
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4890/44324474610_8a4031896b_h.jpg
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4820/44324458650_6374afa5a1_h.jpg



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It seems like rangefinder wide angle lens is pretty much out for practical purpose; better than Sony sensor maybe, but not much; 24-70S still wins by a big margin.

I guess we can only wish that there will be more brave lens maker producing high performance small/pancake lenses. One thing I feet hard to leave Leica, is that its compact form factor really make it a joy to take it anywhere, even on a business trip, without the burden of a "large" camera gets in the way, and the mirrorless now is in such perfect position draw back enthusiast who reluctantly switched to cellphone because of that.

I can keep dreaming...



Dec 02, 2018 at 05:16 AM
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p.26 #17 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


zhangyue wrote:
More bird shot 300PF

For non BIF 300mm bird shot, you will prefer Z7 to D850. The VF will be 450mm VF than cropped tiny OVF and you will absolutely prefer silent shooting of Z7. And I need every pixel I can in this case

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4818/46141000691_8618247eed_h.jpg
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4890/44324474610_8a4031896b_h.jpg
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4820/44324458650_6374afa5a1_h.jpg


I owned the 300PF and learnt to appreciate it (a lot!). Perhaps it's time to try it again (well, when my bank account recovers a bit...). I carried it with me for travelling, it is not really bigger nor heavier than many 24-70 zoom lenses.



Dec 02, 2018 at 06:23 AM
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zhangyue the one with the yellow bokeh and the fox sparrow(?) is splendid!

I am testing out Capture One 12 and loving the results, no more green color cast, much better handling of the raw file.

otus 85:

https://i.imgur.com/yAUVQQl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/xdRsnPX.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/CBeVgAZ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/HQShHmr.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/5pKzddv.jpg

Nikkor Z 24-70:

https://i.imgur.com/vXBLFew.jpg

distagon 2/25:

https://i.imgur.com/NcjCNob.jpg

Schneider Xenotar 80:

https://i.imgur.com/Yhi1zyo.jpg


Been a few versions since I used capture one and there's a lot of great new stuff. The color controls are amazing. The C1 lens profiles don't seem to do anything, but as v 12.0 came out 2 days ago it's probably a bug.

Don't give up on rangefinder wides just yet. I still have hope for the Elmar 24 f/3.4 and certainly 28mm rangefinders should be good to go. Between the Elmar, the 2/25 Zeiss and the Nikkor Z 24-70 I'm all set for now for wides, although that Summaron 28 renders pictures that look so dang good.



Dec 02, 2018 at 07:11 AM
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p.26 #19 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


mantice wrote:
It seems like rangefinder wide angle lens is pretty much out for practical purpose; better than Sony sensor maybe, but not much; 24-70S still wins by a big margin.

I guess we can only wish that there will be more brave lens maker producing high performance small/pancake lenses. One thing I feet hard to leave Leica, is that its compact form factor really make it a joy to take it anywhere, even on a business trip, without the burden of a "large" camera gets in the way, and the mirrorless now is in such perfect position draw back enthusiast who reluctantly
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I actually won't draw conclusion like this. I think glass like 15mm VCIII and 35mmf1.7 and 50mm lux ASPH are perfect fine for my use. 15mm can be used wide open, 35mm is fine after f2.8. 50mm is good at f5.6. This is landscape use I am talking. 21mm SEM need f8, but this will never bother me as for wider than 28mm, I found myself in f8~f13 zone most of time unless for night sky shots. For 35~50mm, you will find very useful f2.8~f5.6 image that cover all frame within DOF, however, once reach 14~24mm region, you almost always need foreground to make image works well, and I found most of time, I am at f8~f11 region.

Having said that, unless it give me significant size advantage, i will not pay Leica price for use at Z7 as recommendation for most non Leica users. Lens like 24~70S at 500g cover 24, 28, 35, 50, 70, 105 for me for landscape shots. It is way smaller than full set of even metal Leica M. I think future 14~30mm zoom will be the same. For many duel users with M system, or people who love small high quality manual glass, Z is still best after market platform till now. Most Leica users will appreciate Nikon ergonomics more as well I'd say. Z can be a transition system for anyone need high pixel system before Leica themselves have one and it offer many thing Leica will never able to match such as 24-70S or 300/500PF along with superb AF. As long as people keep M manual glass, they can change platform any time.

That is the attractive feature about Z for M users.

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felipin wrote:
I owned the 300PF and learnt to appreciate it (a lot!). Perhaps it's time to try it again (well, when my bank account recovers a bit...). I carried it with me for travelling, it is not really bigger nor heavier than many 24-70 zoom lenses.


I absolutely love the experience 300PF brings me. I am pretty sure if it is 200~500mm or 150-600mm kind of zoom, I might lost my interest in bird instantly. It can be a great portrait lens as well

I never really shoot bird before but have to say it is an enjoyable experience with my son during bird watching.

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AndereObjektiv wrote:
zhangyue the one with the yellow bokeh and the fox sparrow(?) is splendid!

I am testing out Capture One 12 and loving the results, no more green color cast, much better handling of the raw file.

otus 85:

https://i.imgur.com/yAUVQQl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/xdRsnPX.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/CBeVgAZ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/HQShHmr.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/5pKzddv.jpg

Nikkor Z 24-70:

https://i.imgur.com/vXBLFew.jpg

distagon 2/25:

https://i.imgur.com/NcjCNob.jpg

Schneider Xenotar 80:

https://i.imgur.com/Yhi1zyo.jpg

Been a few versions since I used capture one and there's a lot of great new stuff. The color controls are amazing. The C1 lens profiles don't seem to do anything, but as v 12.0 came out 2 days ago it's probably a bug.

Don't give up on rangefinder wides just yet. I still have hope for the Elmar 24
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Thank you, I like its bokeh as well. Won't say pretty but very decent with nice isolation. especially the cormorant shots with water background I posted. It is kind of special from PF element.

I really Like that city shots with 85OTUS.

A few more bird shots before I switch gear to continue NP images.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4916/45229678785_c781f17a16_h.jpg
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4914/45417389274_394b0198a5_h.jpg
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4860/44324454370_c85a639568_h.jpg
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4816/44324466660_2d14fda905_h.jpg
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4914/32270042198_7d7c805c20_h.jpg



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p.26 #20 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Great discussion on this thread. I received my Z6 this week and despite yet another weekend of rain, I was determined to do some testing with manual focus lenses I have. Still waiting on delivery of a Leica M to Z adapter, but did mount a Helios-44M 58mm f/2 that had been Nikon F modified. I have always liked shooting this lens but it has been sitting on the shelf a while since I sold my Df.

Quick shot below from the woods in the backyard. Shot at f2, jpeg right out of the camera, resized in macOS Preview.

George









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