p.22 #1 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
charles.K wrote:
Wonderful shots Joakim!
I have had experience with the M 50 Noct f/1.0 on the A7rII. I have been looking in my archives and I really despise not having Exiff intact The IBIS worked well but just you have to input 50mm. I think the IBIS is more prone to visible shake just due to the very thin DOF at f/1.0 so I would use higher shutter speeds. The MF was frustrating with the 50 Noct f/1.0 as you would need to enlarge to nail focus and this was a 2 set process on the A7rII. I did opt for an adapter at the time, no longer available where you could MF and enlarge by just turning the focus which was great, just a part of the focusing process.
Thanks Charles, I've probably been to optimistic about shutter speed for such thin DoF and I need to adjust for this lens. IBIS is very much new ground for me, I've used lenses with stabilisation before but that's all. For once we can blame the photographer
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felipin wrote:
Thanks for sharing your experience! Regarding EXIF data, assuming you use Lightroom, I don't know whether you know the plugin LensTagger (https://www.lenstagger.com). I use it to keep track of all my (many) vintage lenses.
Thanks for the tip it came at a perfect time since the software I've been using for many years to change exif is no longer supported. It looks like a good fit to my needs.
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zhangyue wrote:
Did you see some abnormal on IBIS with Noct only or generally? I haven't noticed any abnormal effect yet. I have used Z7's IBIS default on for stabilized VF for a while by now. I do have a stable hand even without IBIS most of time.
Though the ultimate test would be handhold water fall test However, I never leave it default on before with A7RII which will give me trouble some time to see blurred images at normal shooting condition.
As I mentioned above I think this is more about me than the camera and I need to learn more in practice about how IBIS works. In a way I am a little blinded right now by all the functionality this camera offers so I need to implement some new shooting habits to take advantage of the technology and be in charge again so to speak.
p.22 #2 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
EDIT: UPDATE November 16
The Shoten adapter does not focus to infinity and has a possible misalignment. I will continue leica m testing when a different adapter can be obtained. Verified inability of adapter to focus to infinity on any of my m glass. Should have checked this sooner but was wanting to test so very much. Apologies.
I will leave the post as it was below, but with the caveat that there is a definite error in the ability to focus to infinity on the part of the adapter and a probable error in mounting squarely. It's the adapter, not the lenses or camera.
Z7 with 24mm f/3.8 ASPH Elmar-M at f/6.3, tripod, no filters
Not very promising, I'm afraid. I'll keep shooting and will do some exact setting comparisons with Z mount 24-70 nikkor s and zeiss zf.2 25mm f2. Was cloudy all day and have much work to do besides photography.
p.22 #3 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Commiserations, but not unexpected. It's quite a mess, not just the green and soft magenta casts alternating across the frame's expanse of snow, but corner fall off is far greater than would be expected of the lens's MTF @ 40 lpmm. This is one of the great ones that has very little misbehaviour anywhere. It's just poor everywhere. Look at the soft bokeh hillside in the background in the near center crop.
p.22 #4 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Indeed, thank you philip, and all the rest of you who have been posting such fantastic shots and tests. I shall endeavor to be a bit more precision oriented in further test shots, I think some of that unsharpness is operator error.
The elmar 24 f/3.4 is such a gem though, so I will make a cornerfix profile and color correction calibration shot for the lens/sensor combo and try again. I am loathe to fix something that could have just been done properly on capture, that's a huge part of why I upgraded to the Leica m glass in the first place. Considering the milvus 25, but that just misses the whole point of small and unobtrusive. I can easily see why one would buy an M body just for the elmar 24mm.
joakim, that summaron 28 is just splendid. I think I could adore that lens.
More informal tests with summarit 75 and summicron 90 III pre-asph look very good. Awaiting sunshine. I miss the close focus of the voigtländer helicoid adapter on the Z7, I absolutely love the 50 lux on the a9 with it.
Here's another otus 85 with circular polarizer handheld
p.22 #5 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
AndereObjektiv wrote:
Z7 with 24mm f/3.8 ASPH Elmar-M at f/6.3, tripod, no filters
Out of camera:
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Not very promising, I'm afraid. I'll keep shooting and will do some exact setting comparisons with Z mount 24-70 nikkor s and zeiss zf.2 25mm f2. Was cloudy all day and have much work to do besides photography.
Just curious, was the lens racked in all the way to the hard stop at infinity? If so, I would try again, backed off a hair from the hard stop and set the aperture to f/8.
p.22 #6 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
mapgraphs wrote:
Just curious, was the lens racked in all the way to the hard stop at infinity? If so, I would try again, backed off a hair from the hard stop and set the aperture to f/8.
Based on the background, I wonder if the lens/adapter actually reaches infinity. I have the Shoten adapter and it's just adequate. It'll be interesting when the higher quality adapters start arriving.
p.22 #7 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
I had ordered a $20 Fotofox LeicaM-Nikon Z adapter weeks ago, but had given up waiting for it so ordered some Kipon ones (LeicaM, L39, MinoltaMD). Of course they all showed up today!
Looking forward to testing my Z7 this weekend, and also comparing the cheapo adapter to the Kipon.
I'm not going to do any crazy in depth, but will do max aperture and stopped down (f8?) enter and corner.
Any requests? I got 18 21, 25, 28, 32, 35, 40, 50 etc lenses in Leica mounts (M and L39), as well as MD 58 1.2, 35, 50s, 100 etc, as well as bunch of Nikon AI/AIs, Zeiss, Jupiter wholly kwap I gotta sell some stuff!
Time dependent..
p.22 #8 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Desmolicious wrote:
I had ordered a $20 Fotofox LeicaM-Nikon Z adapter weeks ago, but had given up waiting for it so ordered some Kipon ones (LeicaM, L39, MinoltaMD). Of course they all showed up today!
Looking forward to testing my Z7 this weekend, and also comparing the cheapo adapter to the Kipon.
I'm not going to do any crazy in depth, but will do max aperture and stopped down (f8?) enter and corner.
Any requests? I got 18 21, 25, 28, 32, 35, 40, 50 etc lenses in Leica mounts (M and L39), as well as MD 58 1.2, 35, 50s, 100 etc, as well as bunch of Nikon AI/AIs, Zeiss, Jupiter wholly kwap I gotta sell some stuff!
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Wow, that's an arsenal, for sure. I'm not interested in WA (which are the most troublesome on Sony sensors), because I rarely use a WA that is not a Canon TS one (and these work like a charm). 50 is my favorite focal length, so any test you make with any 50 will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
p.22 #9 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
AndereObjektiv wrote:
EDIT: UPDATE November 16
The Shoten adapter does not focus to infinity and has a possible misalignment. I will continue leica m testing when a different adapter can be obtained. Verified inability of adapter to focus to infinity on any of my m glass. Should have checked this sooner but was wanting to test so very much. Apologies.
I will leave the post as it was below, but with the caveat that there is a definite error in the ability to focus to infinity on the part of the adapter and a probable error in mounting squarely. It's the adapter, not the lenses or camera.
Z7 with 24mm f/3.8 ASPH Elmar-M at f/6.3, tripod, no filters
Not very promising, I'm afraid. I'll keep shooting and will do some exact setting comparisons with Z mount 24-70 nikkor s and zeiss zf.2 25mm f2. Was cloudy all day and have much work to do besides photography.
Thanks for the results. This test has to be careful. first of all, the subject is not at infinity. the crop on corner is hard to qualify as smear or just out of DOF window. For critical test, you might want to focus only infinity critically on LCD, turn off IBIS.
WA glass has extra sensitivity to flange distance. That is why I spend so much time to shimming my adapter to have correct infinity mark on all my M glass. I also have documented all M glasses performance on M camera before so I know what to expect for its native performance for the copy I tested.
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Desmolicious wrote:
I had ordered a $20 Fotofox LeicaM-Nikon Z adapter weeks ago, but had given up waiting for it so ordered some Kipon ones (LeicaM, L39, MinoltaMD). Of course they all showed up today!
Looking forward to testing my Z7 this weekend, and also comparing the cheapo adapter to the Kipon.
I'm not going to do any crazy in depth, but will do max aperture and stopped down (f8?) enter and corner.
Any requests? I got 18 21, 25, 28, 32, 35, 40, 50 etc lenses in Leica mounts (M and L39), as well as MD 58 1.2, 35, 50s, 100 etc, as well as bunch of Nikon AI/AIs, Zeiss, Jupiter wholly kwap I gotta sell some stuff!
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I am still waiting for my Kipon order from Adorama. I don't want stuck another defect one. Ship back international order is a hassle.
I'd like to know how is the Kipon and Fotodiox one compare to each other quality wise. fit and finish. Mount and un-Mount feeling etc....
Can they both take Nikon Z mount lens cap? Shoten can't. if you compare native nikon Z mount lens mount with adapter mount. Shoten has all four notches the same size but Nikon native mount has two of four bigger.
p.22 #10 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
I ordered a Kipon M to Z (shipped) which will probably be another week or more so I am in peruse the boards mode till then.
I'd like to get the Novoflex M to Z but they apparently don't ship to North America and I haven't seen it carried by B&H or Adorama etc.
I'm hoping that Voigtländer makes both standard and close-focus versions like their VM to E adapters, soon. And at some point one of the vendors is going to provide an E to Z adapter, along the lines of the fotodiox m4/3 to E adapter. Meanwhile, it's watch and wait... ; - )
p.22 #11 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
felipin wrote:
Wow, that's an arsenal, for sure. I'm not interested in WA (which are the most troublesome on Sony sensors), because I rarely use a WA that is not a Canon TS one (and these work like a charm). 50 is my favorite focal length, so any test you make with any 50 will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
I really need to unload some stuff...!
Anyway I'm really excited to use the Z7 with M glass, as the M adapter is so much smaller than the FTZ, that the camera/lens profile will be really small. Compared to when I use the FTZ with my Sigma Art 50! Baaaa-zooka!
p.22 #13 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
I performed some test yesterday with a bunch of wide lenses shooting at infinity between f/5.6 - f/11 and the 24 Elmar was quite ok, not perfect in the corners but certainly not that bad. The Zeiss 18/4 and Voigtlander 21/4 had pretty bad corners though while the 28 Summicron was a bit better. The clear winner in my tests was the 35 Summilux FLE that performed well across the frame. I am going to do some more tests and also shoot the 24-70 zoom alongside for comparison to get a better understanding what to expect in terms of IQ.
p.22 #14 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Desmolicious wrote:
I had ordered a $20 Fotofox LeicaM-Nikon Z adapter weeks ago, but had given up waiting for it so ordered some Kipon ones (LeicaM, L39, MinoltaMD). Of course they all showed up today!
Looking forward to testing my Z7 this weekend, and also comparing the cheapo adapter to the Kipon.
I'm not going to do any crazy in depth, but will do max aperture and stopped down (f8?) enter and corner.
Any requests? I got 18 21, 25, 28, 32, 35, 40, 50 etc lenses in Leica mounts (M and L39), as well as MD 58 1.2, 35, 50s, 100 etc, as well as bunch of Nikon AI/AIs, Zeiss, Jupiter wholly kwap I gotta sell some stuff!
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I’ll would be interested in seeing test of lenses in the 18-25mm range primarily.
p.22 #15 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
mapgraphs wrote:
I'd like to get the Novoflex M to Z but they apparently don't ship to North America and I haven't seen it carried by B&H or Adorama etc.
macgroup seems to be the name of the US distributor of Novoflex, here’s a link to a list of resellers
p.22 #16 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
joakim wrote:
I performed some test yesterday with a bunch of wide lenses shooting at infinity between f/5.6 - f/11 and the 24 Elmar was quite ok, not perfect in the corners but certainly not that bad. The Zeiss 18/4 and Voigtlander 21/4 had pretty bad corners though while the 28 Summicron was a bit better. The clear winner in my tests was the 35 Summilux FLE that performed well across the frame. I am going to do some more tests and also shoot the 24-70 zoom alongside for comparison to get a better understanding what to expect in terms of IQ.
That's odd about the 18. For landscapes, I can get usable corners by f/5.6 and excellent at f/8 on a Kolari UT modded Sony, but it can be tricky to focus. I had to bounce around quite a bit with focus magnification in a couple of sessions before I figured out where it needed to be for the best across-the-farme sharpness. I hope it works out for you the more you get to use it.
p.22 #17 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
The Nikkor Z 24-70 F4 S is impressive. Good autofocus, but hard to manually tune for fine focus at infinity or at least quite far away.
Used a well damped tripod with; EFCS, 5 second release timer, focused at F/8 using autofocus, low to no wind. Any shake was self-induced by the Z7. Here's a shot focused on the tallest pine on the middle ridge - 24-70 S:
I really need to unload some stuff...!
Anyway I'm really excited to use the Z7 with M glass, as the M adapter is so much smaller than the FTZ, that the camera/lens profile will be really small. Compared to when I use the FTZ with my Sigma Art 50! Baaaa-zooka!
p.22 #20 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
I did some more infinity tests today and I definitely think that the 24 Elmar is very good is lens on the Z7, it's not perfect for landscape due to the corners but it certainly can be used for it once stopped down to f/8-11.
The winner for today though was the Zeiss 50 f/2.0 Planar that was spot on, clearly better than the 50 Summilux and also better than the Z 24-70 zoom at 50.
The IBIS worked well but just you have to input 50mm. I think the IBIS is more prone to visible shake just due to the very thin DOF at f/1.0 so I would use higher shutter speeds. The MF was frustrating with the 50 Noct f/1.0 as you would need to enlarge to nail focus and this was a 2 set process on the A7rII. I did opt for
