p.20 #1 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Any comment on the Voigtlander 15mm on Z7? Is it good to the edge? Read that M mount it not very good on the Sony. But Voigtlander 15mm E-mount work better on Sony.
p.20 #2 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
keithf wrote:
Any comment on the Voigtlander 15mm on Z7? Is it good to the edge? Read that M mount it not very good on the Sony. But Voigtlander 15mm E-mount work better on Sony.
Are you asking about V3 of that lens in M-mount or earlier M-mount versions? V3 of the VC 15 workd extremely well on the Sony A7R2 and A7R3 bodies assuming you can find a good copy, there was some copy to copy variation when it was released however. I had the M-mount version that I used on my A7R2 it was pretty good even at the extreme corners . If you want to see output from that lens Guy has a thread comparing it to the Loxia 21 and Sony 24 over on the Sony board he has a good copy of that lens.
p.20 #3 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Steve Spencer wrote:
I am not sure it is inevitable that the sensor stack will be thicker with an AA filter. As I understand it with the D810 (or was it D800) Nikon made the sensor stack the same thickness with and without an AA filter. When it did not have an AA filter it just had clear glass of the same thickness as the AA filter. It is possible they did the same thing with the Z7 and Z6. The 1.1mm sensor stack of the Z7 might include some clear glass that is the same thickness as the AA filter in the Z6....Show more →
Yes, that could be possible. But with the D800/800E Nikon made a point of this AA filter 'offset' whereas nothing is indicated here with the Z6/Z7 that I've seen. Given all the talk of the large rear elements for focusing light rays as perpendicular to the sensor as possible, would varying sensor thickness make a significant difference? It would with short exit pupil distance M mount lenses. Apparently Canon's DSLR cameras over the years have had varying sensor thicknesses...
p.20 #4 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
MIRANDA1 wrote:
Are you asking about V3 of that lens in M-mount or earlier M-mount versions? V3 of the VC 15 workd extremely well on the Sony A7R2 and A7R3 bodies assuming you can find a good copy, there was some copy to copy variation when it was released however. I had the M-mount version that I used on my A7R2 it was pretty good even at the extreme corners . If you want to see output from that lens Guy has a thread comparing it to the Loxia 21 and Sony 24 over on the Sony board he has a good copy of that lens....Show more →
Thanks. Actually I want to see the v3 15mm F4.5 M-mount on Nikon Z7.
p.20 #5 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Keith, I'm interested in seeing the same thing (voigtlander 15 iii for m on z7). Id love a compact 15mm or similar wideangle option for the z7. Who knows when Nikon will release their native 14-30. 3 months? 9? Would love Zeiss to offer all of the loxias with z mount...
p.20 #6 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
rscheffler wrote:
Yes, that could be possible. But with the D800/800E Nikon made a point of this AA filter 'offset' whereas nothing is indicated here with the Z6/Z7 that I've seen. Given all the talk of the large rear elements for focusing light rays as perpendicular to the sensor as possible, would varying sensor thickness make a significant difference? It would with short exit pupil distance M mount lenses. Apparently Canon's DSLR cameras over the years have had varying sensor thicknesses...
I have Z6 on preorder, but I am not sure I will keep it. I mentioned that before release, I actually prefer Z6 for its price over feature offered. I never expected either Z6 or Z7 can replace D850 for the way I use it. However, after use Z7, It is all become history. I sold D850. I will not give up AA filter free 45M files. Especially with M&Sraw option. Even I run two body, I'd like them both Z7 than Z7&Z6. I might get another used Z7 if I travel anywhere. It is so good IMO
I look forward more people can join this thread after Z6 introduced. What a nice value at 2K below. I am also curious about its performance on M glass.
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keithf wrote:
Thanks. Actually I want to see the v3 15mm F4.5 M-mount on Nikon Z7.
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You can check this lens performance here in this thread around pg 12. I tested a few rangefinder glass on Z7. VC15 is the one on Z7 will beat even M camera IMHO. Others will not be as good as M but better than Sony by one or two stop I'd say.
p.20 #9 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
zhangyue wrote:
I have Z6 on preorder, but I am not sure I will keep it. I mentioned that before release, I actually prefer Z6 for its price over feature offered. I never expected either Z6 or Z7 can replace D850 for the way I use it. However, after use Z7, It is all become history. I sold D850. I will not give up AA filter free 45M files. Especially with M&Sraw option. Even I run two body, I'd like them both Z7 than Z7&Z6. I might get another used Z7 if I travel anywhere. It is so good IMO
I look forward more people can join this thread after Z6 introduced. What a nice value at 2K below. I am also curious about its performance on M glass.
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You can check this lens performance here in this thread around pg 12. I tested a few rangefinder glass on Z7. VC15 is the one on Z7 will beat even M camera IMHO. Others will not be as good as M but better than Sony by one or two stop I'd say.
thanks, I remembered seeing that test from you. But still want to see more pics from it.
I received my Gabale M to Z adapter. will look for a second hand Voigtlander 15mm locally first.
p.20 #10 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Test and verify with the Z7, but this was discovered with the A7RII as well, looking for multiples of 60 to correspond with the frequency of power (60Htz)
zhangyue wrote:
Now a few with 58G with Z7 at party. You can see the real smooth rendering of this glass. Z7 nailed focus near perfectly with 58G.
I used silent shutter. at 1/125, it is a magic number to get decent image without indoor light banding due to slow read out speed of sensor.
Great shots Michael !!! I think our brains have been inundated with sharp images with the newer era of lenses and then when you view the like of the 75 Lux, one of my all time favorites it is wonderful to see the subtleties of the lenses like the 75 Lux
The 58G looks like it also has a new life on the Z7!
p.20 #12 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
charles.K wrote:
Great shots Michael !!! I think our brains have been inundated with sharp images with the newer era of lenses and then when you view the like of the 75 Lux, one of my all time favorites it is wonderful to see the subtleties of the lenses like the 75 Lux
The 58G looks like it also has a new life on the Z7!
Exactly Charles, I think people today are overly fixaded on sharpness, I have plenty of super sharp modern type lenses but the ones that always put a smile on my face are some of the older character glass from way back when, I love the output from the Canon 50 F0.95 it's not particularly sharp especially wide open but the dreaminess it produces is amazing, same can be said for some other older glass like the Biotars, Rokkors etc.
I think the mirrorless revolution has certainly made photography much more interesting.
p.20 #13 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Mathieu18 wrote:
Test and verify with the Z7, but this was discovered with the A7RII as well, looking for multiples of 60 to correspond with the frequency of power (60Htz)
I didn't mean this is Z7 only character for sure However, I am still puzzled with the results given read out speed is only 1/15. there will be 8 light peak and valley during 1/15S read out time, I should see it in images with 1/125. I haven't figure the reason out yet.
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charles.K wrote:
Great shots Michael !!! I think our brains have been inundated with sharp images with the newer era of lenses and then when you view the like of the 75 Lux, one of my all time favorites it is wonderful to see the subtleties of the lenses like the 75 Lux
The 58G looks like it also has a new life on the Z7!
Yes, I feel in the future sharp will be cheap and cheaper. We may have a hard time to find lens like those classic ones.
58G might have smoother bokeh than all older Leica i have known. Though, sometimes smoother may not means better. It is really depend on situation. I do feel 58g suit with Z7 more than D850. It is never meant to be AFC glass anyway. Under AFS, you almost have the feeling that 58G is suddenly a sharper lens
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MIRANDA1 wrote:
Exactly Charles, I think people today are overly fixaded on sharpness, I have plenty of super sharp modern type lenses but the ones that always put a smile on my face are some of the older character glass from way back when, I love the output from the Canon 50 F0.95 it's not particularly sharp especially wide open but the dreaminess it produces is amazing, same can be said for some other older glass like the Biotars, Rokkors etc.
I think the mirrorless revolution has certainly made photography much more interesting.
Yes, as I mentioned, it really depends on situation. For portrait require DOF, these classic glass will give very similar results as modern ones. WO, there is obvious difference, but not always necessary be better or worse. Sometimes, aberration might be as welcome as definition. Especially for one appreciate those classic images took with these same gears many many years ago. Photography as art form never means true fidelity.
As for mirrorless revolution, for all images I posted, I think OVF camera will do as well. However, modern SLR camera just build a lot bigger without fully realize the potential of SLR type camera in term of other area user experience. It is not the mirror screw thing up I'd say but all those bell and whistle features and AF limited light can pass to your eyes, all the features sacrifice other area such as size, weight and viewing experience. Manufacture have to chase spec to be able to compete to survive. Leica is the only one left still trying to just do basic things and do it right at the same time can survive.
I like Z7 so much actually is not because it is mirrorless but mainly because it is the first mirrorless camera feel like using SLR with much small and dense body. Viewing experience is good and you feel the quality in hand. In the mean time, S zoom offer performance I didn't see before from Nikon at much easily manageable size and weight. It is also the first MILC camera ergonomically works (at least for me) that happen can also adapting Leica M glass.
Everybody have their reasons to choose their gear, at least that is my view. It will be sad that people choose gear only based on review or youtuber or spec list. I know I might be minority but I am sure I am not alone in alt forum
p.20 #14 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
The mirrorless revolutions for me isn't necessarity about so much about the technology, it's about the flexibility of being able to adapt lenses that you would never consider from another platform. I currently use a Sony A7R2 body, however I use lenses from Leica, Leica M, Zeiss ZE , Rokkor, Canon EOS , Canon LTM , Nikon etc..I use lenses built way back in the 1930s right up to modern day optics, that's what is fascinating about the mirrorless revolution for "me".
p.20 #15 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
MIRANDA1 wrote:
The mirrorless revolutions for me isn't necessarity about so much about the technology, it's about the flexibility of being able to adapt lenses that you would never consider from another platform. I currently use a Sony A7R2 body, however I use lenses from Leica, Leica M, Zeiss ZE , Rokkor, Canon EOS , Canon LTM , Nikon etc..I use lenses built way back in the 1930s right up to modern day optics, that's what is fascinating about the mirrorless revolution for "me".
You could just as well be describing my attitude and practice (with the sole exception that my oldest lenses date back to the 1950s). The current fixation on sharpness and removal of all aberrations leads to an aesthetic dead end IMO but, as you suggest, mirrorless cameras allow us to travel along roads more congenial to our visual interests and tastes.
p.20 #16 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Micheal, amazing shots with the 75 Lux !! I really do miss my 75 Lux as it was my favorite alongside the 50 Noct f/1.0.
I do recall the 75 Lux was Mandler's last and favorite designed lenses and just wish someone could emulate his designs.
Here is just one description of Mandlers rendering and style,
An unusual balance of contrast and resolution, that gives a nice 3D roundness to face planes, eyes, fingers and the like, and defines edges very crisply, yet retains a long tonal range, with highlights that go on seemingly forever without ever quite hitting hard white. (Some call this "creaminess", in the 75 'lux and 90 'cron)
p.20 #17 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Cosina's attempted to emulate his Summilux-M 35 and Nocti 50/1, but I think they missed the point on both. I have the feeling it might come down to the differences in glass used. Leica's been getting sentimental lately. Perhaps they'll pick one of the Mandler gems to recreate next.
p.20 #18 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
I was impressed when Leica AG released the Summaron 28 and Thambar 90 in optically faithful form although the latter is a bit rich for my blood. The Summaron is very reasonably priced for a low-volume reissue but they made a mistake with the M mount: this lens cries for attachment to a Barnack. Original LTM Summarons are none too cheap but, more importantly, are really hard to find in reliably good condition.
Without having used one of his creations, Miyazaki-san of MS Optics may be the best interpreter for rendering in the Mandler style (depending on the particular item). The latest offering, Sonnetar 73/1.5, looks really intriguing for fans of the classic 'lux 75. I'm personally more interested in the Fluorit Super Apochromat Aporis 135/2.4 which is probably closer to a hi-tech look.
p.20 #19 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
rico wrote:
I was impressed when Leica AG released the Summaron 28 and Thambar 90 in optically faithful form although the latter is a bit rich for my blood. The Summaron is very reasonably priced for a low-volume reissue but they made a mistake with the M mount: this lens cries for attachment to a Barnack. Original LTM Summarons are none too cheap but, more importantly, are really hard to find in reliably good condition.
I don't know any Barnack user who would pay $3000 for a new Summaron 28.
Leica knows their market - rich M users who would get the Summaron to add to their collection.
