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p.17 #1 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Sorry if I missed this, but has anyone used Sigma art lenses (35 and 50) with the FTZ adapter?


Oct 31, 2018 at 12:56 PM
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p.17 #2 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


I want the Sony E mount to Nikon Z. I really want to CV 110 F2.5, it only make or E-mount. Or hope they will make it to M mount or better to Z mount. But only hoping now.

There is the Canon EF mount to Z, I just do a search in ebay.

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Weidon-adapter-for-Canon-EOS-EF-Lens-to-Nikon-Z-mount-Z6-Z7-camera/253956583434?hash=item3b20fdf00a:g:NaUAAOSwlKRb1~49:rk:33f:0



Oct 31, 2018 at 01:02 PM
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p.17 #3 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Desmolicious wrote:
Sorry if I missed this, but has anyone used Sigma art lenses (35 and 50) with the FTZ adapter?


I have tested both 35 and 50 Art lenses with the Z7 and FTZ adapter and seem to work very well. The AF accuracy is better too



Oct 31, 2018 at 05:19 PM
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p.17 #4 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


thanks Charles!


Oct 31, 2018 at 05:33 PM
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p.17 #5 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


joakim wrote:
That's what I thought. Maybe no one has seen this niche then, native E mount lenses to be used manually on the Nikon Z.


I would love to use Loxia 21/2.8 on Z7 for sure



Oct 31, 2018 at 05:56 PM
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p.17 #6 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Wouldn't it be logical for third party E-mount manufacturers (Zeiss, Voigtlander, Sigma) to release those lenses also in Nikon Z and Canon RF mounts? Therefore no adapter required. Though I guess if you already own a given lens in E mount, it would be preferable not to have to buy it again just for another mount.

Another question: any noticeable edge color shifts with the adapted rangefinder lenses? I haven't read anything so far to indicate it has been a problem, or did I miss that? Michael's 21 SEM edge crops looked slightly cyan shifted, but didn't seem that obvious.

Ulff: unfortunately Canon EF compatibility is much better with the Sony cameras. I'm also a big Canon user and my interest in the Z system here is purely for adapted rangefinder lenses... for my EF lenses, I'll wait it out for Canon to release more interesting R bodies. In the meantime I'm getting OK by with my DSLRs.



Nov 01, 2018 at 12:14 AM
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p.17 #7 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


wolfloid wrote:
This has always seemed to be an attractive lens to me. It would be good to have some closer testing or comparisons to how it works on the Sonys.


This is one of worst offender on Sony system. Based on what I have seen on Z7, Id guess its performance on Z7 is somewhere between M and A7x and should be closer to M.
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joakim wrote:
Last week I took a look at some of the manufacturers, including the ones on ebay, that offers adapters for the Z mount and none of them offered one for the E mount yet. I read earlier over at digilloyd.com that there might be a patent issue stopping adapter makers to make one for the E mount but could that really be the case if you're just making a dumb adapter?


I have a feeling E to Z adapter will be more challenge to make if it is possible at all. It only have 2mm thickness difference and it need offer two side mount. Even if it is possible, put it on and off will be difficult as well.
Leitax type seems make more sense. IMHO.
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Ulff wrote:
This is a great thread, thanks for all the contributions here! Since the introduction of Sony's first APS-C bodies I'm eagerly waiting for a FF mirrorless camera that can make good use of all my alternative lenses. With every new Sony body I was on the fence to get one, but eventually hesitated, because they all weren't convincing enough to replace my Canon system or even exist parallel to it. The A7rII was almost there - and the specifications of the A7rIII were even better, although it doesn't handle M lenses well enough. When I went to the store in
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If you think in additional to TS-E glass, you can't leave without other Canon EF glass and ZE, then, waiting for next body seems a better option. However, TBH, based on what I have seen with Nikon Z and Canon R glass. I think ditch either EF and F glass seems a good step to do at this stage, especially for no sports no action shooting. I plan to do exact as that.

I have found ZF.2 35mmf2 distagon can't even compete with sigma art which is not as good as latest Z 35 S. Yes, Revolution has begin. I personally only collect character lens from R and M and even old planar zeiss etc.. Those can be used on any system in the future and I don't expect they can be replaced with future technology.

If you do wait for next Canon pro type of body, first of all, it may focused on action and sports. Do you need that? Yeh, potentially, it could offer 5dS type of R. but who knows, Canon has been quite unpredictable. The lens so far seems all aim for wedding, event and portrait but landscape. Nikon seems pretty clear on what they have and planned for Z. Another thing I feel for next Canon pro-R, Nikon proZ, or PanasonicLeica, all expected to be bigger size and heavier. Initially, I complain the size of Z7 wish it can be bigger, but after extensive use, especially with M glass and decent size R and ZF, I am not sure I will pick big size over Z7 anymore. It is a trade off at best. I do realize every single time I pick up Z7 than D850 or DF since I got it. And Z7 do offer very nice holding experience for me. and you can feel the dense of it and can appreciate its precision and build quality every time in your hand.

Now it is well passed honeymoon period, however I love it more and more with more use

rscheffler wrote:
Wouldn't it be logical for third party E-mount manufacturers (Zeiss, Voigtlander, Sigma) to release those lenses also in Nikon Z and Canon RF mounts? Therefore no adapter required. Though I guess if you already own a given lens in E mount, it would be preferable not to have to buy it again just for another mount.

Another question: any noticeable edge color shifts with the adapted rangefinder lenses? I haven't read anything so far to indicate it has been a problem, or did I miss that? Michael's 21 SEM edge crops looked slightly cyan shifted, but didn't seem that obvious.

Ulff: unfortunately
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Hi, Ron, I checked all my wide angle images with RF glass very carefully, I can't detect much color shift at all. I do see strong vignette most of time, However I didn't apply any lens profile. I have n't really used those RF glasses on any serious image yet other than pixel PP them. I even feel 35VC has less color shift on Z7 than M240P if you ask me

Here are a few more 35mm VC samples

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Nov 01, 2018 at 02:20 AM
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p.17 #8 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


rscheffler wrote:
Wouldn't it be logical for third party E-mount manufacturers (Zeiss, Voigtlander, Sigma) to release those lenses also in Nikon Z and Canon RF mounts? Therefore no adapter required. Though I guess if you already own a given lens in E mount, it would be preferable not to have to buy it again just for another mount.


Yes native lenses would be the best but the questions are if, when and how we'll see lenses from 3rd parties soon.

If, it must be increasingly difficult for some manufacturers to support all the available mounts and as long DSLR sells better than mirrorless that's where the money is. I guess Sigma will concentrate on the L mount right now.

When, I'm pretty sure that neither Canon or Nikon sends out the specifications for the new mount to Zeiss, Sigma, Tamron etc in advance so any work supporting the new mounts must have started quite recently.

How, for Zeiss the interesting question is if we'll see a converted Milvus or Loxia line (if any). The Milvus line is wider but the Loxia lenses are smaller, I think I have my fingers crossed for Loxia.



Nov 01, 2018 at 02:53 AM
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p.17 #9 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


I've been trying out my M-mount lenses using the Shoten adapter. The ZM25 and Summilux 50 ASPH seem good, but the tiny CV 28/3.5 shows a cyan shift towards the sides. Applying the Lightroom profile helps but Cornerfix would probably do a better job. This is the first lens I've found that would seem to need additional processing.

I should note that this lens displays a color shift even on the M240. The shift on the Z7 is actually less objectionable than the M240.



Nov 01, 2018 at 07:50 AM
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p.17 #10 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


If M lenses are this good on Z7, it would be really nice for 3rd party to create a variable length adapter for expanding into macro range.

The image quality will be outside its design parameter, but it will be more than usable.



Nov 01, 2018 at 10:11 AM
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mantice wrote:
If M lenses are this good on Z7, it would be really nice for 3rd party to create a variable length adapter for expanding into macro range.

The image quality will be outside its design parameter, but it will be more than usable.


Hellicoid adapaters are pretty common for the Sony E-mount, Voightlander, Shoten, Hawks Factory all make them. I'm guessing it will only a matter of time before they are available for the Z.



Nov 01, 2018 at 10:44 AM
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CVickery wrote:
I've been trying out my M-mount lenses using the Shoten adapter. The ZM25 and Summilux 50 ASPH seem good, but the tiny CV 28/3.5 shows a cyan shift towards the sides. Applying the Lightroom profile helps but Cornerfix would probably do a better job. This is the first lens I've found that would seem to need additional processing.

I should note that this lens displays a color shift even on the M240. The shift on the Z7 is actually less objectionable than the M240.


That sounds promising, I would love to see some corner crops from the ZM25.



Nov 01, 2018 at 10:47 AM
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p.17 #13 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Thanks Michael and Cal for the color shift feedback.

joakim wrote:
How, for Zeiss the interesting question is if we'll see a converted Milvus or Loxia line (if any). The Milvus line is wider but the Loxia lenses are smaller, I think I have my fingers crossed for Loxia.


It will be interesting to see what Zeiss does in respect to Canikon's mirrorless and their partnership with Sony. You would think it would be a good business move to make the same lenses for all three systems, plus the L-mount partnership. (Though I wonder how much tweaking is required, if any, to optimize image quality between the systems given the varying sensor topping specs). I'm guessing CV will eventually release for all of the mirrorless mounts.



Nov 01, 2018 at 01:13 PM
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p.17 #14 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


B&H had a like new Z7 for $3k, so I pulled the trigger. I will sell off my perfect D850. I also ordered a $22 M adapter to test the waters, and if it works out will sell off my M240 M100 anniversary model.
I'll keep shooting Leica film bodies, but now may use the Z7 for Leica digital thanks to this thread.



Nov 01, 2018 at 01:19 PM
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I've been absent here on FM for a long time, but I have just ordered a Z7. A boatload of money as far as I'm concerned, but Nikon colors, non-cropped 4k, 120 fps in HD and 5:4 aspect ratio are all things I value. Looking for a C/Y adapter for my good old 35/1.4 MMJ.


Nov 01, 2018 at 02:09 PM
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For third party manufacturers there are two options when designing lenses for mirrorless:

-To try to release the same lenses for all the mirrorless systems wo optimizations, just optimize for the worst case (more telecentric) or for the average. This leaves Nikon headroom to beat 3rd party lens performance and size on the Z system.

-To optimize. Then the process for 3rd party manufacturers becomes more expensive if they have to release special lenses for each system or group of them.

Time will tell if this is good or bad for Nikon. We have yet to see the stacks on the Panasonic L mount cameras. In can be that two systems use a thick stack and the other two a thin one.



Nov 02, 2018 at 02:03 AM
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p.17 #17 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


joakim wrote:
Yes native lenses would be the best but the questions are if, when and how we'll see lenses from 3rd parties soon.

If, it must be increasingly difficult for some manufacturers to support all the available mounts and as long DSLR sells better than mirrorless that's where the money is. I guess Sigma will concentrate on the L mount right now.

When, I'm pretty sure that neither Canon or Nikon sends out the specifications for the new mount to Zeiss, Sigma, Tamron etc in advance so any work supporting the new mounts must have started quite recently.

How, for Zeiss the
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Out of all Milvus, only 18mm I feel it has decent size that will fit both F and Z. However, after seeing M glass performance, I am not even sure will keep it. As for Loxia, as good as they are, I have M glass cover my need and they all can be fit on M as well.
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Desmolicious wrote:
B&H had a like new Z7 for $3k, so I pulled the trigger. I will sell off my perfect D850. I also ordered a $22 M adapter to test the waters, and if it works out will sell off my M240 M100 anniversary model.
I'll keep shooting Leica film bodies, but now may use the Z7 for Leica digital thanks to this thread.

Congratulation!. I think you made a good choice. For your need, Z7 is perfect.
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mortyb wrote:
I've been absent here on FM for a long time, but I have just ordered a Z7. A boatload of money as far as I'm concerned, but Nikon colors, non-cropped 4k, 120 fps in HD and 5:4 aspect ratio are all things I value. Looking for a C/Y adapter for my good old 35/1.4 MMJ.


Congratulation! Do share images with us. The thread was created not only just for Z7 but also I want some Alt forum spirit come back here. I welcome more people can create R or future PanaLeica thread as well.
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58G WO I really like 58G somehow suddenly, thanks for Z7, It balance very well on Z7 with good focus under all distance now. With D850, I am on AFC all the time, with Z7, I am on AFS all the time. I feel Z7's AFS simple has better implementation in term of usability, very fast and reliable.

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Nov 02, 2018 at 02:39 AM
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p.17 #18 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread


Zeiss 100/2 Macro Milvus ZF.2









Nov 02, 2018 at 09:51 AM
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Thanks for all the testing you did with the nikon z 7. I think this camera is an even better option for m mount lenses than the leica sl is. Though i think it is a bit overpriced for what it offers. I am thinking of getting a nikon z 6 instead. Does anybody of you know how the added anti aleasing filter in the nikon z 6 adds size to the filter stack ? is it still 1,1 mm in the Nikon z 6 ?


Nov 03, 2018 at 04:00 AM
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MIRANDA1 wrote:
That sounds promising, I would love to see some corner crops from the ZM25.


Ok, here's my contribution. The shots are handheld, focus is distant, but not infinity. Post processing is my normal starting point (Adobe color, auto levels, some sharpening, no profiles)





ZM 25 Full frame @2.8



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