p.16 #1 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
suteetat wrote:
Here is the 28/2.8 ASPH. Not great corner. Certainly not up to 24/3.8 standard but definitely looks quite a bit better than Sony but I don't really know how the corner supposed to look like with M body though.
Similar setting to my test for 24/3.8. Left is center and right is left upper corner of the frame. This time,
I take 800x800 pixel crop right in the corner of the frame. All are take at F8. Center shot is actually a little off center as I want to focus on the trees that are roughly on the same plane as the corner.
Top 2 pictures are 28/2.8 ASPH and I throw in Zeiss 35/1.4 zm at the bottom. The Zeiss actually
works pretty well with Sony as well so I did not expect much problem with Z7.
The 28 Elmarit was a very sharp lens on the M240/M9 as I just reviewing some of my images. I think we over look that we are now comparing 45MP to 24/18MP.
I recall the 28 Elmarit was one of the worst on the A7r with smearing that made it unusable in my eyes.
p.16 #2 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
suteetat wrote:
Here is the 28/2.8 ASPH. Not great corner. Certainly not up to 24/3.8 standard but definitely looks quite a bit better than Sony but I don't really know how the corner supposed to look like with M body though.
Thanks for that test. The Elmarit-M 28 ASPH improves as one might expect for the thinner cover slip and might pass as usable at lower resolution. Unfortunately, the performance wide open is likely to be much worse.
p.16 #3 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
rico wrote:
Thanks for that test. The Elmarit-M 28 ASPH improves as one might expect for the thinner cover slip and might pass as usable at lower resolution. Unfortunately, the performance wide open is likely to be much worse.
At f2.8, everything in the corner is quite poor. Not nearly as bad as on A7r iii though.
I would say that at f2.8 on Z7 is somewhere in the middle between f2.8 and f8 on A7r iii.
The center looks very nice though. For street it should be fine but definitely not suitable for landscape.
p.16 #7 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
freaklikeme wrote:
Question for you Z7 owners who also have experience with Sony- do find the sensor dust issue better/worse/the same versus the Sony?
Hi, Brad, I can only offer my experience so far. I change lenses like crazy since I got the camera. and I pay only basic attention to avoid dust. I have seen a few dust spot during edit my landscape image and test images posted so far. It is definitely feel worse than D850. I wish Z7 can have the same feature as Canon R that cover the sensor during camera off.
It is difficult to give exact answer even I have experience with A7RII, I think we need someone spend considerable time with both to give a subjective answer. Having thinner sensor theoretically will make dust spot more prone to show though, but I definitely didn't see it is worse.
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suteetat wrote:
Here is the 28/2.8 ASPH. Not great corner. Certainly not up to 24/3.8 standard but definitely looks quite a bit better than Sony but I don't really know how the corner supposed to look like with M body though.
Similar setting to my test for 24/3.8. Left is center and right is left upper corner of the frame. This time,
I take 800x800 pixel crop right in the corner of the frame. All are take at F8. Center shot is actually a little off center as I want to focus on the trees that are roughly on the same plane as the corner.
Top 2 pictures are 28/2.8 ASPH and I throw in Zeiss 35/1.4 zm at the bottom. The Zeiss actually
works pretty well with Sony as well so I did not expect much problem with Z7.
I also curious which version of this 28mm is. The new one suppose works better. I remember some initial test show new 28mm works even slightly better on SL than M. I was interested in that lens myself but 24-70S is too good at 28mm.
p.16 #8 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
suteetat wrote:
Top 2 pictures are 28/2.8 ASPH and I throw in Zeiss 35/1.4 zm at the bottom. The Zeiss actually
works pretty well with Sony as well so I did not expect much problem with Z7.
Thanks for your tests Suteetat (and Zhangyue's as well).
I just wondered if you see much of an improvement of the 35/1.4 ZM on the Z7? I'm currently using it on an A7Rii with the PCX front filter, but would love to use it without that. Main problem for me on the Sony without the filter is the wacky field curvature at wider apertures, but I'm hopeful the thinner cover glass on the Z7 might improve things.
p.16 #9 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
zhangyue wrote:
Hi, Brad, I can only offer my experience so far. I change lenses like crazy since I got the camera. and I pay only basic attention to avoid dust. I have seen a few dust spot during edit my landscape image and test images posted so far. It is definitely feel worse than D850. I wish Z7 can have the same feature as Canon R that cover the sensor during camera off.
It is difficult to give exact answer even I have experience with A7RII, I think we need someone spend considerable time with both to give a subjective answer. Having thinner sensor theoretically will make dust spot more prone to show though, but I definitely didn't see it is worse. ...Show more →
Thanks, Michael. My expectation is that it will be about the same and it will be interesting to see if Canon's method does anything positive in the regard. I suspect at least some of the dust that settles on the closed shutter will end up on the sensor when the shutter's opened.
p.16 #10 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Taylor Sherman wrote:
Which version of the 28/2.8 ASPH is that? They recently updated it and it plays better with thicker cover glass. 11607 is the new one I believe.
Mine is the older 11606 version with plastic hood.
If I am not mistaken the new 28/1.4 is also optimized for thicker sensor. I think I read somewhere that
it does work on SL better as well.
p.16 #11 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
JonathanP wrote:
Thanks for your tests Suteetat (and Zhangyue's as well).
I just wondered if you see much of an improvement of the 35/1.4 ZM on the Z7? I'm currently using it on an A7Rii with the PCX front filter, but would love to use it without that. Main problem for me on the Sony without the filter is the wacky field curvature at wider apertures, but I'm hopeful the thinner cover glass on the Z7 might improve things.
Thanks,
Jonathan
I never tried testing landscape shot with 35/1.4 ZM with A7r iii at wide aperture so I am not sure.
At F8, I would say both A7r iii and Z7 are very similar though from what I remembered.
I might need to look into the new 28/2.8 but it is not really a focal length that I use a lot and I already
have Otus 28/1.4 which I really like. But may be with smaller lens, I might get to use it more often
Hard to choose, the Nikon 28/1.4e is also so good at lower price with AF to boot
p.16 #12 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
suteetat wrote:
Mine is the older 11606 version with plastic hood.
If I am not mistaken the new 28/1.4 is also optimized for thicker sensor. I think I read somewhere that
it does work on SL better as well.
The new Elmarit 28 plays very well with a Kolari UT modded Sony, so I suspect it would do well on a Z7. I haven't rented either the new Summicron or Summilux, so I have no idea about them.
p.16 #13 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
My Shoten adapter finally arrived! The build quality seems OK but there does seem to be a bit of play in the lens. I'll have to see if I can tighten up a bit. Tried a couple of shots this morning with the ZM 25/2.8 Biogon
p.16 #14 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Tried a couple of shots this morning with the ZM 25/2.8 Biogon
This has always seemed to be an attractive lens to me. It would be good to have some closer testing or comparisons to how it works on the Sonys.
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p.16 #15 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
wolfloid wrote:
This has always seemed to be an attractive lens to me. It would be good to have some closer testing or comparisons to how it works on the Sonys.
It doesn't work very well. Color fringing on the first generation cameras, and corner smearing. It has quite a bit of corner smearing on even the new BSI sensor in the A7r II and III. If you shoot Sony and you want 25mm and like Zeiss, the Loxia 25 f/2.4 is a very nice lens. In fact, if I get a Z7 and they make an adapter for Sony E mount lenses, this would be one of the first lenses I would adapt.
p.16 #16 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Steve Spencer wrote:
In fact, if I get a Z7 and they make an adapter for Sony E mount lenses, this would be one of the first lenses I would adapt.
Last week I took a look at some of the manufacturers, including the ones on ebay, that offers adapters for the Z mount and none of them offered one for the E mount yet. I read earlier over at digilloyd.com that there might be a patent issue stopping adapter makers to make one for the E mount but could that really be the case if you're just making a dumb adapter?
p.16 #17 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
I got an email from Novoflex today telling me that they have shipped my adapters, so that was really good news since they initially said December for delivery. I guess next week will be Leica M week!
In the meantime the Zeiss 85 f/1.4 Planar ZF.2 is a solid performer on the Z7.
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p.16 #18 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
joakim wrote:
Last week I took a look at some of the manufacturers, including the ones on ebay, that offers adapters for the Z mount and none of them offered one for the E mount yet. I read earlier over at digilloyd.com that there might be a patent issue stopping adapter makers to make one for the E mount but could that really be the case if you're just making a dumb adapter?
I can't see there being a patent issue for two reasons. First, it is just a dumb adapter, I'm not sure what could be patented and Loxia lenses will only need a dumb adapter. Second, many adapters are made in China where patents are regularly ignored, so I don't see patents as being the issue. It does need to be a thin adapter, but it ought to be doable.
p.16 #19 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
Steve Spencer wrote:
I can't see there being a patent issue for two reasons. First, it is just a dumb adapter, I'm not sure what could be patented and Loxia lenses will only need a dumb adapter. Second, many adapters are made in China where patents are regularly ignored, so I don't see patents as being the issue. It does need to be a thin adapter, but it ought to be doable.
That's what I thought. Maybe no one has seen this niche then, native E mount lenses to be used manually on the Nikon Z.
p.16 #20 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread
This is a great thread, thanks for all the contributions here! Since the introduction of Sony's first APS-C bodies I'm eagerly waiting for a FF mirrorless camera that can make good use of all my alternative lenses. With every new Sony body I was on the fence to get one, but eventually hesitated, because they all weren't convincing enough to replace my Canon system or even exist parallel to it. The A7rII was almost there - and the specifications of the A7rIII were even better, although it doesn't handle M lenses well enough. When I went to the store in order to buy one, I held it in hand for the first time - and was immediately revolted by the ergonomics. It simply doesn't feel right. Not to mention the layout of the menus.
With 30 years experience in photography, I know, that this is far more important for me than specs and I knew immediately that I won't like the camera. Therefore I'm still here with my 5N, which is at least tiny enough to have a place in my bag from time to time.
I'm also a bit disappointed with Canons R. It may be a good enough camera, but it doesn't add much to my 5Ds without in-body IS and a sensor which isn't in the same league as Sonys or Nikons.
The Nikon Z7 is actually the only body which seems to made everything right. The more I read here, the more I'm convinced that I would like it. The only (sadly huge) problem is, that I wouldn't be able to use my Canon EF lenses at all on this body and that all my lenses have adapters for either Canon or Sony E-mount.
It will be seen if it is possible to adapt e-mount on Nikon Z. Do any of you have an idea or heard anything from Metabones et al. if an Adapter to Canon EF would be possible or is in development? A purely mechanical adapter would be a nice first step since I use my TS-E for example often with the same aperture (which can be set sticky on Canon bodies). An electronic adapter would be great of course. Otherwise I have to (again..) wait for the next Canon mirrorless body. Or maybe Panasonic will surprise me...
