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 p.14 #6 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread | |
nehemiahphoto wrote:
Awesome test Michael--looks so promising! I use nearly all MF RF glass as this point, so I think I'll try a z6. Can you link me where you order your adapter from?
Somehow, I can;t find Shoten on ebay anymore. The listing show they have 50 sold. However, if you search 'Nikon Z Leica M' on Ebay, you will there is one called GABALE which I think it build similar to Shoten but cheaper. And there is also Kipon.
However, if I were you, I will wait a little bit since Z6 will be only available in another month. At that time, you will have options for either real good one such as Novoflex or Voigtlander or no brand name at much cheaper price.
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suteetat wrote:
As far as SL, A7r iii, Z7 is concerned, I might not be the best person for information as I am heavily biased toward Nikon. First of all, Z7 is my 8th Nikon body so I am very very familiar with Nikon's ergonomic and I am very comfortable with it. So take this for what it's worth as my preference in part has a lot to do with familiarity.
After saying that, I am also an early adaptor of Sony FF mirrrorless having own A7r, ii and iii as well. I have a few E mount AF lenses but majority of my use for A7r x is mainly with manual focus lenses. I bought SL and used it mainly with M lenses that did not play well with Sony and I really love 90-280 lens but did not invest in any other SL lenses beside 24-90 and 90-280. I'll talk here about my experience using the 3 bodies for manual focus only since we are dealing with manual focus lens in this thread.
Basically, my impression of SL is that it does not offer some of the bells and whistles that Sony or Nikon provided but has the best EVF in term of resolution and natural-like viewing. It is significantly better than all the Sony that I have and A7r iii cannot compete here. However, it does not handle very low light or bright sunlight viewing as well as A7r iii. The best all around EVF though has to be Z7. Image quality is very close to SL (although resolution spec is no where near the SL but looking through EVF, you would not know it) and handle difficult situation such as low light or extremely bright sunlight just as well as any camera if not better. A7r iii and Z7 EVF are the two EVF that I can see comfortably even when wearing sun glasses. (GFX is really the best here with tilted EVF though) I think this is especially important when using manual lenses. In bright sunlight, I had no hope of focusing on anything with manual lens with A7r for example.
For ergonomic and overall feel, shooting experience, etc, SL is solid, not a lot of buttons and options, very competent camera. The grip is nice and big but it is not contoured so holding it for a long time is not comfortable and the excessive weight is quite annoying. I guess being Leica, you can't avoid a big chunk of metal. With M lenses it is more bearable.
Sony improved a lot now that A7r is in its third iteration. However, I still consider it more as an excellent tool that still does not feel right in my hands. While SL gives me a solid shooting experience, A7r iii is still on a blah side.
Z7 feels very comfortable for me since day 1 and honestly, I have not touch A7r iii at all except for when I want to compare certain things to Z7. Could be a new toy syndrome though. Time will tell but after 3000+ shots, Z7 is still going strong for me. I like the size of Z7 better. It is really only a little bit bigger but spacing between buttons are better. Now I can access all buttons without taking my eye off the EVF while going through 3 Sony Bodies, I can still not do that easily.
Last night, a friend brought his Canon EOS R along so I got to play with it a bit and he was trying out Z7. I actually slightly prefer the grip on the Canon but button layout does not appeal to me very much. Never really used the Canon system before, this is no surprise and someone more familair with Canon system most likely will be more at home but honestly, beside the three system that I already mention, I also have a GFX and a few days play with X1D, I have to say that first time experience with a new body/brand, Canon EOS R confused me the most.
My biggest complain for Z7 right now is that in manual focus mode, for some reasons, I feel that blackout time from LCD/EVF in single shot mode sometimes seem a bit excessive. It is not persistently slow but sometimes it slowed down more than what I like and very very responsive at other time. Strange.
As of this time, I sold my SL a couple of months back since I have way too many cameras and system and need to trim down a bit. SL got the least use so I got rid off it first. Of course now that Panasonic and Sigma joined L mount, may be a slight regret for my decision
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Thank you very much for your write up. Very helpful. In a few occasion I tried SL, I can appreciate its EVF magnification, however it seems always darker. I can't adjust its to real world view without mess up with exposure. And once I am on street under harsh noon light, I have difficult to see. They might have changed through firmware update later.
As for black out, I didn;t notice it abnormal. EFCS single is almost like a SLR mirror black out, silent shutter has minimal penalty compare to EFCS single. It is just feel weird under total silent so I prefer EFCS whenever I am under 1/2000s.
Looks like you are not helping  obviously you are loving Z7 as well.
For me, my view changes on Z7 throughout the stages:
From initial rumor stage: I am pretty sane what to expect and keep myself as neutral as possible.
Later on, there were some people and site review it on pre-production model, I begin to feel this might work for me even there were tons of noise on card, battery, AF etc.. a first time EVF based camera. There were still many unknown. If it doesn't work out I will just sold it with minimal loss.
Then I got my hand on my own copy. Yeh, B to B+ rating though I give zoom high praise.
Finally after shooting it and put in real world using it and even a trip to Yosemite. Now a solid A rating to the point I sold my D850 a few days ago. It is that good. Leica M glass performance is not even a decision factor but cherry on top thing for me. It really cover almost all my need. I don't use D850 fancy tech for 99% of my shooting. AF is great. so accurate shooting WO even for difficult glass like 58G. I am very puzzled with DPREVIEW's latest article about its AF. it can focus under ISO25600 1/4s~1/10s with f1.4 glass during my AF test to confirm its CDAF algorithm. I am not surprised with results its AFC tracking biker compare to D850. under good light, in auto area mode with face detection, it can track my son running toward me mid speed until 2~3 meter away, then it will fail but D850 will keep going with better keeper generally. It is good enough for me and It suit me better with more accurate single point AFS and AFC with more AF coverage. A trade I am willing to make any time.
They also keep complain lacking 3D tracking from D850, however, I don't think its useful and never use that and don't see many mention using that at all. you either use 9 point or single point with group or auto area for erratic movement which I did in Iceland for puffin in fly.
Compare a few missing in spec list such as two card, how many shots per battery, AF speed etc, the area Z7 delivered are way more important to me for everyday shooting. Hold it, put it on your eye, feel the shutter and review the image in LCD, you will realize the build the quality.
I really hope more people/owner can share their experience/views on Z7 good or bad. I am all ear. It will be really helpful for everyone.
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