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p.2 #1 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread

Haha, here is so nice and quiet. Love it.

Here is a guy talk about video.

I personally didn't shoot much video but maybe I should try more in the future. It would be interesting to shoot video with Leica 35mm Summilux Pre-ASPH and 75mm Summilux with this body. I wish my kids are 5 years younger.

Aug 30, 2018 at 01:05 AM

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p.2 #2 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread

Here is the first review in Chinese. I put a google translation link here:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdcdv.zol.com.cn%2F696%2F6967413_all.html%23p6970009&edit-text=&act=url

The review confirm a few thing:

Battery is good enough, way better than CPA rating.
AFC is not as good as A7RIII.
They don't like single card and complain the price of card and reader price. (through video)
Most of them seems like the handling and ergonomics. and most of them like LCD on top. (through video)
Most of them seems like Z7's EVF. One mentioned EVF is a little drag when panning the camera fast. (through video)

The reviewer claim IQ is slightly better than or at least as good as D850 due to new processor. I personally don't agree. and predict most likely it will be worse especially long exposure. (see my previous post.)

They claim IQ is better than A7rIII at high ISO. I doubt the results though as I don't think they match exposure carefully at at outdoor shooting. For indoor shooting, they didn't resize the D850 file. and I think A7RIII per pix is slightly better at high ISO.

Surprise from the review:
Low light focus is D850=Z7>A7RIII.
AFC tracking is D850>A7RIII>Z7. (however difference is not significant IMHO)

As usual, take everything with a grain of salt just like any review.

FYI only.

BTW, I haven't finish the read yet. Too long with too little time.

Aug 30, 2018 at 01:22 AM

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p.2 #3 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread

Thanks for this thread, I�m a bit curious about the Z6, but it will likely hinge on how good the 35 is. I�l downgrading to an A7II for now, getting rid of a modified A7RII. I�ll likely wait a couple months and see how the Z6 looks, and wait for the A7III�s to become readily available before moving to one of them... Look forward to seeing more info on here.

Aug 30, 2018 at 08:19 AM

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Aug 30, 2018 at 09:50 AM

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p.2 #5 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread

Agreed. Its nice but I don�t really have a need for 42MP+, I�ve been using the A7RII for a couple years mostly for its expanded adaptable AF patch, but getting away from that now anway, so not really worried about going back to the A7II. As a benefit I like MK adapted lenses, and the EVF on the A7II is sharper.

To the Z6/A7III... I�ll have to see both, the A7III is supposed to be much better, the A7RII just had the wrong scaling and never got sharp. Better AF I agree, but I don�t shoot sports and don�t really mind even the A7II AF. Dual Cards aren�t critical to me, but I�m baffled Nikon skipped that... As to battery, I feel the same. I have enough NP-FW50�s, switching has never been an issue and it�s easy to carry a couple spares. I actually don�t want the new battery in the Sony... Other benefits, I�d love the top plate, and could see getting some ZF.2 lenses again with the FTZ. On the High Res, the DPR Review noted that the Z7 stays high quality while shooting, while the Sony does not, so may still be a better EVF experience.

As to modified/unmodified... I don�t really care to modify M mount lenses. I had the VM 40/1.2 but can get the FE mount just as well. I do have Contax G lenses but I don�t really shoot the wides wide open, and stopped down with a PCX, they�re plenty strong. The mod I did was a naked sensor (last 0.7mm glass left in place) with a clip in hot mirror. Worked fine but with longer lenses it was actually the clip in hot mirror that would cast a shadow on the sensor. Could have spent $200 and gotten a different clip in from Astronomik, but didn�t want to spend more. Also lenses like the Loxia 35 that I may get another of, played quite poorly on the thinner stack. I�m glad I tried it but long term it wasn�t worth the downside to me. I�m just as happy adapting smaller SLR lenses like the Contax CY line and usually like their ergonomics better, so no need to mess with the thin filter.

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I think the Z6 vs. A7III is an interesting comparison. The Z6 it would seem will have a noticeably better EVF, but the A7 III will have quite a bit better AF, dual cards, and the bigger battery. For a manual focus shooter, however, the EVF is a very big issue, whereas AF doesn't matter at all. For me personally a single card is fine and I actually prefer the smaller battery as it saves a few grams and is always plenty for me. So, for the lower MP camera, I am pretty sure I would prefer the Nikon...Show more →

Aug 30, 2018 at 11:49 AM

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p.2 #6 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread

Mathieu18 wrote:
Thanks for this thread, I�m a bit curious about the Z6, but it will likely hinge on how good the 35 is. I�l downgrading to an A7II for now, getting rid of a modified A7RII. I�ll likely wait a couple months and see how the Z6 looks, and wait for the A7III�s to become readily available before moving to one of them... Look forward to seeing more info on here.

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I am glad you find it useful. I will do my best to share info and my thought about it now and in future. I agree for most people not shooting action or require tracking, Z6 seems a wonderful alternative.

For Alt user who will use alt lens without electrical contact, Nikon have non-cpu lens selection. So you still know which lens you were shooting even without EXIF. I use function(in Z7 but call 'preview' on my D850 next to lens mount) button on my D850 for this feature. It has been there long time. This feature alone with focus confirmation keep me in the Nikon Camp for a long time. I am fine with either Nikon or Canon in term of body handling otherwise.

Steve Spencer wrote:
I think the Z6 vs. A7III is an interesting comparison. The Z6 it would seem will have a noticeably better EVF, but the A7 III will have quite a bit better AF, dual cards, and the bigger battery. For a manual focus shooter, however, the EVF is a very big issue, whereas AF doesn't matter at all. For me personally a single card is fine and I actually prefer the smaller battery as it saves a few grams and is always plenty for me. So, for the lower MP camera, I am pretty sure I would prefer the Nikon...Show more →

I agree with you about Z6. As for EVF, so far, all review seems indicate Nikon's Z is prefered to A7RIII due to superior optical. A little bit more magnification with better clarity. They also mentioned that during low light shooting, the image is less noisy than Sony. It also doesn't drop resolution during continues shooting.

However, if there is still a few things bug me about Z, How EVF perform is one of them. I have voiced about my dislike of EVF for a while from NEX7 until A7RII in the past. From spec POV, Z7 refresh rate is 60HZ. I believer A7RIII is 120HZ (am I right?) which seems prefered, but to my surprise, none of the reviewers mention this and seems universally prefer Z's finder.

I will know when I have it on hand but for any people have handled both camera. It would be nice to share your experience in the future.

Again, for AF, it is also not simple Black or White. It also really depend on usesers case. It is not like Z don't perform but we as photographers are spoiled

If fast tracking is important for your photography, and you must have MILC, than A9 and A7RIII certainly a better choice. Yeh, I know that EYE AF but face detection seems an compromise enough for my usage if needed. I use it for D850 with OVF shooting. It works fine. In DPreview review, Z7 even track people with head turn away.

If you just need AF capability, Z will be more than enough. The review linked above claim it is not as good as A7RIII but it is still better than 80% of current MILC out there.

Don't forget it get better low light focus with static subject if we trusted that review, a feature some will prefer during night shooting. For the same -4ev, D850 can focus under dim moon light.

Aug 30, 2018 at 12:05 PM

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p.2 #7 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread

Funny how similar Nikon�s and Sony�s FF offeringss are in major specs: resolution, size, IBIS, DR. I remember weighing the D700, a900 and 5dm2 and they were quite different. Only the a900 had IBIS and twice the resolution of the d700 with a terrific OVF but no video. The 5dm2 great at lowlight and good on resolution, but lacked the AF of the D700 or the base DR of the a900. The d700 was behind for video and resolution though a real workhorse.

At this point, 90% of my shooting is manual focus non-native lenses, and lots of range finder glass. I use the Sony cameras as full frame backs. If the Z6/7 come with better MF aides and/or a more Leica like sensor stack, I am stocked. All the other major specs look similar enough to me, as do the price points.

My only interest in the Nikon�s as this point is adapted glass. Even if I stick with the A7 line, I like competition.

Aug 30, 2018 at 08:38 PM

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p.2 #8 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread

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If fast tracking is important for your photography, and you must have MILC, than A9 and A7RIII certainly a better choice. Yeh, I know that EYE AF but face detection seems an compromise enough for my usage if needed. I use it for D850 with OVF shooting. It works fine. In DPreview review, Z7 even track people with head turn away.

Maybe a bit OT here, but thought I'd ask in a more 'neutral' environment: how does the a7RIII (and/or a7III) handle eye tracking when it's a side face profile or the face turns away from camera? I recall from the a7RII that it was a bit picky about eye-AF when the face turned. It would go through a bunch of fall-back steps. IIRC, it would revert to face AF then if the face was no longer a reliable target, back to whatever AF type was previously selected. In use I found it was inconsistent and frustrating in how it cascaded back through the AF point type modes when things weren't going well for it. Also, is there any way to set a preferred face to follow if there is more than one person in the composition? There were enough times when the AF would pick the wrong face (like someone in the background)... Pretty much gave up on it and fell back to the manually movable AF point.

Aug 30, 2018 at 09:54 PM

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p.2 #9 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread

nehemiahphoto wrote:
Funny how similar Nikon�s and Sony�s FF offeringss are in major specs: resolution, size, IBIS, DR. I remember weighing the D700, a900 and 5dm2 and they were quite different. Only the a900 had IBIS and twice the resolution of the d700 with a terrific OVF but no video. The 5dm2 great at lowlight and good on resolution, but lacked the AF of the D700 or the base DR of the a900. The d700 was behind for video and resolution though a real workhorse.

At this point, 90% of my shooting is manual focus non-native lenses, and lots of range finder glass....Show more →

That was golden age of photography world. All three body are memorable. D700 is still my favorite Nikon to date. It offer some sort of perfection that I can totally forget everything at that time. and 5DII is Alt forum body for ZF/ZM and all manual glasses. A900 had the best VF and color out any SLR though I feel both 5dii and D700 also offer one of best color Canon and Nikon ever had.

Maybe this is the beginning of another new age

Canon is on its way.

Again, I personally rate focus confirmation as top 1 focus aid. Maybe it is from rangefinder experience, I usually just use single center point and recompose with minor adjust (through body move or turning focus ring) to compensate subject movement and recompose error. The focus arrow direction is really handy that you can quickly know subject is back or front focus just as rangefinder focus patch. It guild you to the ballpark quickly. With Z's on sensor focus, this could be fast AND accurate.

Nikon seems port the focus confirmation dot feature in SLR to Z. A big relieve for me. You can take a look of pg 41 in this brochure about manual focusing. I will update my finding once I have camera on hand.

https://cdn-4.nikon-cdn.com/e/Q5NM96RZZo-RRZZFeeMiveET0gVQ--AxJI7g-xcLVNVcp7mdwZQz5w==/Misc/Z7_Z6_Brochure.pdf

If you plan use rangefinder lens on this body, as I mentioned somewhere, I bet it will be slightly better than Sony based on my past experience use Nikon SLR Glass on A7RI/II. they usually show more FC compare to native Nikon body so I guess Sony's sensor stack is a little thicker.

For Non-native manual lens user, Don't forget you can save up to 20 non CPU lens with focal length and aperture. You could assign a customer button for this on fly to select lens. (same as use non-coded lens on Leica M) This way you will keep lens information for shooting. Another plus for this is: you can quickly make IBIS work for the focal length on fly without enter manual etc.... Most time, I turn IBIS off, but for video and true low shutter speed condition this would be handy.

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Aug 30, 2018 at 11:33 PM

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p.2 #10 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread

rscheffler wrote:
Maybe a bit OT here, but thought I'd ask in a more 'neutral' environment: how does the a7RIII (and/or a7III) handle eye tracking when it's a side face profile or the face turns away from camera? I recall from the a7RII that it was a bit picky about eye-AF when the face turned. It would go through a bunch of fall-back steps. IIRC, it would revert to face AF then if the face was no longer a reliable target, back to whatever AF type was previously selected. In use I found it was inconsistent and frustrating in how it cascaded...Show more →

Ron, I also curious how A7RIII eye AF works over A7RII. Same as you, I have lot of problems at that time with A7rII's eye focus. For example, at low contrast condition, it fail to lock or if I have multiple face in frame, you can't select which face or eyes to lock. The biggest problem for me is if it fail to lock eyes, it is just hunting there or totally lock a random target. You can't do anything. All you can do is change focus mode and reselect different AF way to do the shooting. I just give up in this case and wish I can simply use a manual focus to begin with.

In DPR review video, I find a interesting thing about Z: first it can track face with face turn around. 2nd: with multiple faces in frame you can select the face (there is arrow) and lock it from there. (It will be quick through touch pad without move away your eyes.) For wedding, this feature could be handy if you want just lock on bride or groom

I know they point a quack about you have to hit OK to start 3D track but I feel it has something to do with select face feature, once selected, you must confirm it. I feel this can be a firmware change to remove this step if there is only single face in the frame.

Again, I doubt I will use AF lens extensively on Z, but both AF and MF are actually have similar thinking process during shooting I feel.

Aug 30, 2018 at 11:47 PM

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Ron, I also curious how A7RIII eye AF works over A7RII. Same as you, I have lot of problems at that time with A7rII's eye focus. For example, at low contrast condition, it fail to lock or if I have multiple face in frame, you can't select which face or eyes to lock. The biggest problem for me is if it fail to lock eyes, it is just hunting there or totally lock a random target. You can't do anything. All you can do is change focus mode and reselect different AF way to do the shooting. I just give...Show more →

Quite honestly this is the funniest thing I've read in quite some time.

After so many people downright WHINING here and in other forums that everybody else needs eye AF, too, it turns out the whole feature is a complete n00b mechanism with no actual control.

I'll take my good old explicit chosing of the AF point any time over this crap, thank you very much.

Aug 31, 2018 at 03:08 AM

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p.2 #12 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread

Sauseschritt wrote:
Quite honestly this is the funniest thing I've read in quite some time.

After so many people downright WHINING here and in other forums that everybody else needs eye AF, too, it turns out the whole feature is a complete n00b mechanism with no actual control.

I'll take my good old explicit chosing of the AF point any time over this crap, thank you very much.

I don't use AF hardly ever, so I have not even tried eye AF yet, but the reports from Sony users match what Ron (rscheffler) and Michael (zhangyue ) write here about eye AF on the Sony A7r II, *but* reports are also that in the third generation A7 cameras and the A9 the feature got substantial development and these problems were largely overcome. Like I said, I don't know if the reports are accurate but people now say it locks quickly on the eye and sticks there. It stays locked even if people turn their head and follows the back of their head, and once they turn their head again so the eye can be seen it locks back on the eye quickly. Does this all work in low light? Is it the same for all three cameras? Questions like that I don't know. I would expect it to work best and especially under low light with the A9 and worst with the A7r III, but I don't know. Just keep in mind that people report a huge jump in performance of this feature with the latest cameras.

Aug 31, 2018 at 07:17 AM

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p.2 #13 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread

The A7iii eye-AF was excellent compared to the A7ii in regards to tracking in AF-C. On the A7ii it was great for AF-S, can�t recall but I don�t think the body supports eye-AF in AF-C. On the A7iii I had eye-AF mapped to the AEL button and regular AF mapped to the AF-On button. Both with AF-C only. Hard to beat that set up in my opinion as switching was a matter of moving my thumb with eye to the EVF, no function button switching needed. I look forward to some hands on time with a Z7 in the near future.

Aug 31, 2018 at 07:57 AM

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p.2 #14 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread

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Please read Steve and uscmatt99 comment above. As mentioned, the issue I and Ron mentioned are from A7RII. I don;t have first hand experience with latest Sony.
Ron tried A9 and he seems like it but decided that is a just side move to switch from 1dx to A9 with hassle. However, I do remember he mentioned he still get problem with Eye AF with multiple face in frame.

Steve Spencer wrote:
I don't use AF hardly ever, so I have not even tried eye AF yet, but the reports from Sony users match what Ron (rscheffler) and Michael (zhangyue ) write here about eye AF on the Sony A7r II, *but* reports are also that in the third generation A7 cameras and the A9 the feature got substantial development and these problems were largely overcome. Like I said, I don't know if the reports are accurate but people now say it locks quickly on the eye and sticks there. It stays locked even if people turn their head and follows...Show more →

I think Sony must improve this feature to the point that most users like it. I no longer participate Sony forum as I use to after A7RII so I don't know many details about latest body offer.

uscmatt99 wrote:
The A7iii eye-AF was excellent compared to the A7ii in regards to tracking in AF-C. On the A7ii it was great for AF-S, can�t recall but I don�t think the body supports eye-AF in AF-C. On the A7iii I had eye-AF mapped to the AEL button and regular AF mapped to the AF-On button. Both with AF-C only. Hard to beat that set up in my opinion as switching was a matter of moving my thumb with eye to the EVF, no function button switching needed. I look forward to some hands on time with a Z7 in the near...Show more →

Thanks for sharing this. This largely solve the issue I had actually. With A7RII and firmware at that time, this is not an option that I can map multiple AF on different button. (I could have simply missed it)

This is a life saving feature actually. I use this with D850. joystick as" AF on" for AF-C single point and "AF-ON" as "auto area" mode that camera will find the face do full auto focus itself. D850's 'auto area' is the same idea as sony's 'eye AF'. It work perfectly on any case I throw on it with fast glass such as sigma 135art, 85art shooting at WO.

Unfortunately, somehow Z7 remove this AF mapping feature on 'AF on' button based on pre production model. I can't use it for 'auto area' mode. I hope this can be solved with future firmware update.

The way you mentioned here is a big plus for A7RIII compare to Z7. (not eye AF but quickly access multiple focus mode in field)

I know I still can use 'fn' to quickly change AF mode but this is distracting to do so in field back and forth , far from a convenient way that A7RIII and D850 offers.

Aug 31, 2018 at 12:14 PM

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p.2 #15 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread

Now more people in China have hands on experience on Z7.

Other than AFC is not as fast as competitor. They(could be nikon users, I don't know) seems like it. They mentioned that EVF is best of all (they directly compared latest panasonic, Olympus, fuji and Sony but no mention with Leica SL).

Because of the high quality glass offered in EVF, there is no strain to view even with glass. They can easily see all the corner. and shooting infor is inside the black border of frame so no distracting with composition, another subtle detail not on spec sheet (I don;t know how others implement this)

One of features I like is you can turn off the LCD and EVF both to save power with button on the side of EVF. (also improve noise performance for long exposure) EVF will be only on when it detect your eyes. I don't know how about you hung the body around though, will EVF turn on?

Power up time is not as good as their DSLR but better than other MILC they tested. (within one sec, you can shoot) A feature Leica should learn from as a street camera.

Adapter: the guy claim it feel like shoot a DSLR. even there is difference it is small and he claim no matter where you are from this is the best adapter performance you can expect from any manufacture so far.

FYI only, it could be just another case 5 blind man touch the elephant. Not everybody feel the same with different angle and perspective. Take it with a grain of salt.

Aug 31, 2018 at 12:52 PM

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p.2 #16 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread

Neutral shooter here. I shoot Leica and have Sony cameras but I don't like Sony menus.

I was kind of deciding if I should switch from A7 range to a Z6. After reading up on reviews, I bought a A7iii, love the eye AF (coming from rangefinder - its like god sent

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Why I was interested in Nikon Z? Top LCD - love it. Nikon dials and functions are similar to Nikon DSLR - I am familiar with Nikon from my DSLR days. Cons - no native lenses yet. Battery life not known (mix reports). Video shooting capability unknown with N log. The official Nikon video is really poorly graded with blown highlights all over the place, although the skin tones looked pretty decent. They should take the video down and redo it. Check it out yourself:

So I went with a A7iii to replace my A7s2. pros- this is mk3, they have refined the product and made improvements, especially for video shooters, you can use the same custom key but assign different functions for both stills and video on the same button, very important for me as the priority for stills and video are different for WB, focus, zebras, picture profiles, etc. Con's? Sony will probably come up with Mk4 before I can finish reading the manual or learning the menu.

As in many reviews you read online, the first group of customers going for the Z series will likely be Nikon shooters looking for a mirrorless / smaller alternative to shoot their Nikon lenses. For someone in the market for a mirrorless full frame kit right now, Sony seems to make more sense.

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Looking at some of the post on this thread, I made Eye AF test with my Sony 85 1.8 lens. Like others said, put it to continuous AF, map eye AF to AEL button(or to the button on the lens), camera tracks the closest eye of subject very quickly. It did not work on my kids' soft toys with black plastic round eyes, but it could lock to a mannequin with realistic eyes. When subject turns away perpendicular, with only cheek showing (eye not visible), AF point still locks to side of face/ cheek closes to the eye that was in focus. When subject turns back, it keeps focus locked on eye. If subject turned with back of head visible (no visible cheek), it loses focus. When subject turns back to me, it tracks the closest eye again. I had my thumb on the AEL button all the time.

Tried again with two subjects in frame, first, it locked to the nearest eye of to the subject nearest to me. When subject turned away, the AF point moved to the second subject's eye. When first subject turned back to me, the AF point did not switch back to first subject. I haven't checked if you could set face priority wit Eye AF. (Edit: to lock focus back on the first subject's eye, all I had to to release the AEL and press it again)

When I tried eye AF with my Sony 28/2 at about 6ft away, AF locked to face but did not switch to eye AF, but I guess 6ft @ f/2, all of the face will be in focus anyway.

For me, faster AF and larger battery made it easy to upgrade from previous iterations of the A7. Gone are the days where I have to carry 6-7 batteries for my A7sii for my kind of shooting (and have to rotate or recharge them when I get home).

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Aug 31, 2018 at 01:36 PM

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p.2 #17 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread

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I personally didn't shoot much video but maybe I should try more in the future. It would be interesting to shoot video with Leica 35mm Summilux Pre-ASPH and 75mm Summilux with this body. I wish my kids are 5 years younger.

Stay with native lenses for AF or adapt a multitude of other lenses (AF and MF) for video. Leica M lenses do not generally give a "Leica" look on videos on my A7s2. I tried all my M lenses, only 28Cron ASPH kept the Leica rendering the most. The 0.95 ASPH looks cool with shallow DOF but the clip looks quite flat. With your 35Lux pre-ASPH, you also have to deal with longer MFD. Many M lenses have significant focus breathing when you rack focus.

Aug 31, 2018 at 01:59 PM

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p.2 #18 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread

Hi, Joe, thank you for offer eye AF experience from A7III and also your perspective about Z. I am not experienced enough to comment on video thing though

A7III has a wonderful performance based on what you described. As for manual, as long as they offer customized 'my manual', I think it will be fine. unfortunately, there is no such an option when I had A7RII.

Like you said, this Z offer will have to mainly target Nikon users and a portion of users prefer some specific requirement Nikon offer such as ergonomics, build quality and IQ in certain condition.

I personally still feel Nikon are still play some fine balance how to spec and feature this camera. They are still holding their ability compare to D850 and D5 because of their position in both camp. For example: card, battery, AF capability and even left shoulder dial used is consumer level than the one on D850 or D5.

I also feel that from preview event to teaser, the introduction is a little rushed and is not well sort on both event preparation and camera operation condition etc. I hope they can sort all little thing out.

There are still many unknown (some of them are very important to me) at this stage and I will just wait until they are surface with more user reports. If I feel that anything is a deal breaker for me, I will just get a A9 or hold further for mirrorless thing or until the price coming down to play for fun.

Aug 31, 2018 at 03:22 PM

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p.2 #19 · Alt forum Nikon Z resource, discussion and image thread

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As for manual, as long as they offer customized 'my manual', I think it will be fine. unfortunately, there is no such an option when I had A7RII.

I think I saw the customized menus somewhere in the camera. That would be nice, will look it up. Thanks!

Back to Z, what was the reason Nikon went with one card slot instead of two SD slots?

Does having a larger flange on the Z compared to Sony E mount make it better for adapting manual focus lenses or worse?

Aug 31, 2018 at 07:18 PM

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I think I saw the customized menus somewhere in the camera. That would be nice, will look it up. Thanks!

Back to Z, what was the reason Nikon went with one card slot instead of two SD slots?

Does having a larger flange on the Z compared to Sony E mount make it better for adapting manual focus lenses or worse?

I know this card thing has been blown up to some unbearable level. I hope this thread is away from that.

Since you asked, If anybody think it is essential, then this camera is out, that is Nikon�s loss. It is what it is now. Nikon formally declare that there is no space for two. Sure they don�t want sacrifice performance further for sd card with less performance and reliability. Who knows, maybe they think it is another way to not compete their D850.

In addition to this, I think you also have to put this into perspective that how they want positions Z and price them. Not only two XQD card are size but also cost preventive. Have another slot, they need speed up there processor for writing parallel to them, they need design everything related such as I/O, and driver etc X2 with more power draw from that tiny MILC body which is power hungry itself. In the end, this money has to come from somewhere, if they charge this thing $200~$300 more with adding size and weight, will customer buy it more than now?

Like every design decision for engineer, there is always a design trade off to make. To pick between one XQD or two sd card, I think it�s a draw two week ago but now after I just bought a few XQD card. TBH, I prefer single XQD. I don�t want go back to SD anymore; I love XQD on my D850

As for the purpose of two card, I don�t know others, but I never mirror my memory card especially at 45M each images now days. That is a lot of bits to trash later and cards get wear out quicker with more use. With D850, at the time you plug in SD card to do so, your camera performance drop to sd card level. It is like drive sports car at 35mph all the time.

As for bigger mount, it is mainly for future proof. I don�t see a reason that it will help adapting lens performance though with 16mm flanging distance, you can formally adapt E lens on it. This become a new king of digital back that sony E was

Nikon Engineers claim that the mount size was made based on tradeoff between size and optical performance after careful evaluation. They have a formal youtube video about this. Don�t look it since you have bought the A7III

it will make you feel bad.

I saw there is one optical engineer claimed in Chinese forum that with this mount, they can design a 50mm f0.7 lens with drawing. There might be some market hype here as well but I can almost feel the excitement from Nikon based on info so far. Their S lens is approach Summicron Level and their version Noct is on the way. I tend to give them credit on this new mount.

Aug 31, 2018 at 08:11 PM

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