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"Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread

  
 
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p.99 #1 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


"Gitzo 3-series are intended for use with lenses up to 300mm..... With 4-series, the number indicates lenses up to 400mm can be used in normal conditions (500mm, 600mm in favourable conditions, only up to 300mm in poor conditions or if you want extra stability)."

To be quite candid, I think that the 4 or 5 series legs are a bit overkill for the 500PF. The lens is lighter than my current 80-400VR-G and much lighter than my 200-400VR f/4, and my 3-series legs have no difficulties supporting these lenses at 400mm. Much of my shooting is from the ground, no leg extensions vertically, just spread to get the lowest possible perspective.

"I would recommend buying some hand warmers (bags containing stuff that when it gets in contact with air, it generates heat for a day's shoot) to put inside your gloves when shooting in those conditions, they are a miraculous invention."

I live in MN,... the arctic of the mid-continental US , ...been using hand warmers for more years than many FM members have been alive

I do not think the issue is related to the size of the tripod, more the mass of the lens and its capacity to "dampen" the mirror flop and shutter vibration. I'll try to do a bit of testing between my Z-bodies and electronic shutter v DSLRs when things slow down a bit for me here.

bruce



Mar 05, 2019 at 06:43 AM
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p.99 #2 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


kwilliam8 wrote:
Here are a couple images from last week, taken with the D850 and the 500mm PF...
Keith W.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Things/Snow-Geese-afternoon/i-fhPF3Dx/0/bcac559b/X2/20190226-_D852131-Edit-X2.jpg
https://photos.smugmug.com/Things/Raptors/i-TX97XBM/0/99fdaf75/X2/20190226-_D854104-Edit-X2.jpg


Wonderful NoH!
And the teeth on the first are amazing.



Mar 05, 2019 at 06:59 AM
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p.99 #3 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


OwlsEyes wrote:
"Gitzo 3-series are intended for use with lenses up to 300mm..... With 4-series, the number indicates lenses up to 400mm can be used in normal conditions (500mm, 600mm in favourable conditions, only up to 300mm in poor conditions or if you want extra stability)."

To be quite candid, I think that the 4 or 5 series legs are a bit overkill for the 500PF. The lens is lighter than my current 80-400VR-G and much lighter than my 200-400VR f/4, and my 3-series legs have no difficulties supporting these lenses at 400mm. Much of my shooting is from the ground, no
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It isn't about the tripod being able to support the weight of the lens, I am sure even a 2-series would support the 500PF and camera body, but about being so rigid that vibrations do not form. The 500 PF doesn't have the benefit of the heavy weight of the 200-400, or 500/4G, so it needs a particularly rigid tripod to avoid vibrations. With the heavy lenses the mass of the lens reduces this tendency.


I do not think the issue is related to the size of the tripod, more the mass of the lens and its capacity to "dampen" the mirror flop and shutter vibration.


The 4-series tripod nevertheless solves the problem you are describing by being more rigid.



Mar 05, 2019 at 07:14 AM
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p.99 #4 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


22F here now 3/5/19. Not like MN for darned close for several months of the year.
I've got a McMurdo II parka I had modded at the Zipper Hospital where 8 ounces of down
were added=each lower pocket has more down than some down jackets Throw in a chemical
heat packet and hand toast is served!

I'm a dinosaur too, but I hate tripods.



Mar 05, 2019 at 07:24 AM
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p.99 #5 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Nikon D500
500.0 mm f/5.6
ƒ/9.0 500.0 mm 1/2000 900

Ibis'ing around by MedicineMan4040, on Flickr



Mar 05, 2019 at 07:41 AM
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p.99 #6 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Something about all of this doesn't seem right. You should always get sharper shots when using a tripod. I almost never used support before getting a D850, but ever since I started using that camera, there is a noticeable difference in the sharpness of my shots using a tripod versus handholding. I use an older 500 f/4 (7 lbs.), so this isn't directly countering your point. But I have gotten sharp shots at 700mm and 1/15 sec. using a tripod and wimberley head. Even if your lens is substantially lighter, there can't be more stability needed than shooting at that slow of a shutter speed and at that focal length. Additionally, I don't understand why you can't get the lens stabilized on your Sidekick and tripod. Can't you just move the lens forward or backward until the weight is evenly distributed? Or, in the alternative, shouldn't you be able to tighten the sidekick until the lens doesn't move, but you're still able to pan smoothly? Perhaps it is the tripod, but none of that makes sense to me. For what it's worth, I use a RRS TVC-34L, which seems like overkill for your situation.


Mar 05, 2019 at 02:01 PM
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p.99 #7 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Next time I go out for a shoot, I'm going to try the VR in the off position when on the tripod and check the results.


Mar 05, 2019 at 02:04 PM
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p.99 #8 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Here are a couple more from last week, taken with the D850 and 500mm PF...
Keith W.












Mar 05, 2019 at 05:30 PM
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p.99 #9 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


I don't think the use case of a supertelephoto on a tripod is often doing slow SS, locked down type of work. If it is then yeah get a very stable RRS series 4 etc tripod.

For most bird/wildlife photography the lens isn't locked down while shooting, there is still a tonne of movement going on and the tripod can be pretty dinky. I used a Feisol travel tripod with a 600II and 1DX on it no problem because I wasn't locking it down doing some low ss landscape.

Really it just helps your arms from getting tired and provides some extra stabilization/support versus tired muscles.

Whether having VR on while on tripod not locked down is an issue at certain shutter speeds is always a question...I have no idea....in my head I would think it shouldn't be a problem if the head isn't locked down as there is still movement to compensate for.



Mar 05, 2019 at 06:43 PM
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p.99 #10 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


groob wrote:
Something about all of this doesn't seem right.... Can't you just move the lens forward or backward until the weight is evenly distributed? Or, in the alternative, shouldn't you be able to tighten the sidekick until the lens doesn't move, but you're still able to pan smoothly? Perhaps it is the tripod, but none of that makes sense to me. For what it's worth, I use a RRS TVC-34L, which seems like overkill for your situation.


Your first point matches my own sentiment.. I can not pinpoint why I find that at certain shutter speeds the lens seems to magnify internal vibration. I believe that ilkka_nissila's suggestion is not the solution.... as I am maximizing the stability of my tripod by relying on a wide spread with no extension.
To be clear, the issue is not with slow shutter speeds or high shutter speeds, the inconsistency occurs around 1/200 of a second, this is why I think it is linked to intrinsic (harmonic?) vibration... (note, I'm a biologist not a physicist, so this is simply a hypothesis).
Regarding the gimbal heads... I can get the lens to sit as it should on my gimbals (see Steve Perry's video about this, as it is superb), I just find that my keeper rate is not what I might expect. From my experiences with heavier lenses and gimbal heads throughout the years, I find that heavy lenses tend to benefit more from the use of a gimbal. As a result, I no longer use the gimbal unless I am certain that I will be shooting birds flying horizontally to my shooting plain.

In the end, this just might be growing pains associated with learning how to use the lens.

cheers,
bruce





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p.99 #11 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


A few swans shot in some frigid morning light...

















Mar 05, 2019 at 08:39 PM
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p.99 #12 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


OwlsEyes wrote:
Your first point matches my own sentiment.. I can not pinpoint why I find that at certain shutter speeds the lens seems to magnify internal vibration. I believe that ilkka_nissila's suggestion is not the solution.... as I am maximizing the stability of my tripod by relying on a wide spread with no extension.
To be clear, the issue is not with slow shutter speeds or high shutter speeds, the inconsistency occurs around 1/200 of a second, this is why I think it is linked to intrinsic (harmonic?) vibration... (note, I'm a biologist not a physicist, so this is simply a hypothesis).
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Many moons ago, when I was shooting with manual focus 600s, I had a lot of trouble similar to what you describe, a lot of now you see it, now you don't softness. It was especially bad with the lightest of the 600s, the 5.6 Nikkor. I finally concluded that I was getting vibrations within the lens tube caused by vibrations coming up the tripod legs. I cured it by carrying a boot sock full of sunflower seeds and draping it over the lens. Later I dispensed with the sock and draped my arm over the lens, which seemed to damp out the vibrations just fine.



Mar 05, 2019 at 09:47 PM
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p.99 #13 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Picked up my copy last week (5 month wait). Absolutely in love with it. Absurdly sharp, even with a 1.4x attached. Great AF.
It's hard to steadily hand-hold 700mm!

Local park has more birds in it than I had noticed! The chickadees are probably my favourites.






D850 700mm f/8 1/1600 ISO800







D850 500mm f/5.6 1/1000 ISO64







D850 700mm f/8 1/2000 ISO640


Next step is to practice my BIF skills.



Mar 05, 2019 at 11:06 PM
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NHO coming at ya....







Mar 05, 2019 at 11:14 PM
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Lives on Hyatt Lane by MedicineMan4040, on Flickr


Mar 05, 2019 at 11:19 PM
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p.99 #16 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


kwilliam8 wrote:
Here are a couple images from last week, taken with the D850 and the 500mm PF...
Keith W.
https://photos.smugmug.com/Things/Snow-Geese-afternoon/i-fhPF3Dx/0/bcac559b/X2/20190226-_D852131-Edit-X2.jpg
https://photos.smugmug.com/Things/Raptors/i-TX97XBM/0/99fdaf75/X2/20190226-_D854104-Edit-X2.jpg



wowzer...great images, both of them



Mar 06, 2019 at 04:04 AM
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p.99 #17 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


While waiting for the 500PF to arrive, I am seriously considering changing my pre-order from the D500 to the..... Z7

Most will think I have lost my mind, but my considerations are the following:
-really preferring mirrorless since shooting the Sony A7rII. Not putting down dslr at all, but for me, mirrorless is so much more natural in use and size, especially full frame.
-wanting full frame because I will glue the Nikon 1.4TC to the 500PF for reach, but like with my current set-up: sometimes you find that you are suddenly to close to the subject, and later wish you would have had more space around it.
The Z7 would allow a one button switch between DX and FX mode, allowing me the bother of removing the TC, if I have any opportunity to do so at all.... The D850 is too large for my intended uses.
-Critical focus with with subjects other than BIF, with and without 1.4TC, or even 1.7TC for ultimate reach. No need for micro adjustment and costant critical focus.
-EFCS. The lens is light, below 1.5 kg. Shutter/mirror shock may occur with certain shutter speeds/VR settings. The Z7 would be worse due to mechanical first shutter, but better when using electronic first curtain, which is possible up to 1/2000s, fine for my uses.
-Use of Nikon's latest very good BSI 45.7mp sensor. I love the BSI FF sensor in the Sony A7rII. The D500 will have a very fine sensor, but still...
-Nikon is working on updated firmware for the Z7, improving low light focus performance and adding eye AF, to be released in may. It is not too far fetched to trust that it will not be the last firmware update. BIF tracking may also be improved in future updates. I can not see a hard limit here. I know Sony puts out new bodies and drops firmware update support for bodies only 2 years old (read: A7rII), but Nikon may not be that sly. And admittedly, even sly Sony is working on a major A9 firmware update.
-an adapter will be released soon, and more no doubt, to enable shooting my Loxia lenses on the Z7, meaning I won't have to carry two bodies. I can simply switch lenses for landscape photography on birding trips.
-BIF in long, persistent bursts are not a priority for me. A short burst will do. Distant small birds and wading birds are just as, if not more important to me, and critical focus should be fine with the Z7 and TC's.
-Reports about the Z7 doing "lousy AF" appear unfounded to a certain degree, even down to user error in part at least. Only consensus is about poor low light AF performance, which is being adressed in the coming firmware update.

Does the Z7 make any sense with the 500PF and TC's? any experience anyone?

Chris



Mar 06, 2019 at 10:46 AM
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p.99 #18 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


MedicineMan404 wrote:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7852/47295493681_2f22abd2fb_o.jpgLives on Hyatt Lane by MedicineMan4040, on Flickr


Great image with the 1.4TC. What a lens this is turning out to be.

Chris



Mar 06, 2019 at 11:00 AM
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p.99 #19 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


ChrisMak wrote:
While waiting for the 500PF to arrive, I am seriously considering changing my pre-order from the D500 to the..... Z7

Most will think I have lost my mind, but my considerations are the following:
-really preferring mirrorless since shooting the Sony A7rII. Not putting down dslr at all, but for me, mirrorless is so much more natural in use and size, especially full frame.
-wanting full frame because I will glue the Nikon 1.4TC to the 500PF for reach, but like with my current set-up: sometimes you find that you are suddenly to close to the subject, and later wish you would
...Show more

Your reasoning mirrors mine. I picked up a Z7 last weekend. Hopefully, I won't have to wait until the fall to get the 500PF though.



Mar 06, 2019 at 12:00 PM
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p.99 #20 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


A nice subject in some tough light this morning...

cheers,
bruce








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