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"Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread

  
 
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p.98 #1 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


If anyone is still waiting on their lens, I just listed mine on the Buy and Sell board. It's an incredible lens, but I've decided to sell all my Nikon gear.

Edit: Wow, gone already!

Erich



Feb 28, 2019 at 08:59 PM
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p.98 #2 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


ELinder wrote:
If anyone is still waiting on their lens, I just listed mine on the Buy and Sell board. It's an incredible lens, but I've decided to sell all my Nikon gear.

Edit: Wow, gone already!

Erich


Switching to Sony?



Feb 28, 2019 at 09:51 PM
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p.98 #3 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


No, I've been using Nikon and Olympus the last couple years. My low light needs have significantly changed, so it made no sense to have that much gear not being used and I'm going all m43 system.

Erich



Feb 28, 2019 at 09:57 PM
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p.98 #5 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


My BIF keeper rate is about 1 in 500. (Using the word "keeper" loosely.) That's a HUGE improvement from when I first got the lens.

PS. Vignetting added in post.







Mar 01, 2019 at 09:44 PM
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p.98 #6 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


NHO...







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p.98 #7 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


N. Pintail...







Mar 02, 2019 at 09:52 PM
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p.98 #8 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Ummm, excuse me, a little help here please....I seem to have caught my tail on something...







Mar 02, 2019 at 10:09 PM
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Downstroke...







Mar 02, 2019 at 10:22 PM
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p.98 #10 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Beautiful shot.

arbitrage wrote:
Ummm, excuse me, a little help here please....I seem to have caught my tail on something...




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p.98 #11 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread




Thom Hogan expressed some interesting thoughts on the lens.

http://www.dslrbodies.com/lenses/nikon-lens-reviews/nikkor-prime-lens-reviews/nikon-500mm-f56e-pf-lens.html




Mar 03, 2019 at 02:17 AM
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p.98 #12 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


arbitrage wrote:
Downstroke...

Geoff, Super work with the hawk owls... love the background on this last one. Your images of the hawk owl speak to the capacity of the 500PF's capacity to acquire and hold focus, as these are super-fast flyers and relatively small targets in the air... seriously wishing I was wherever you were, as I love to photograph the suite of owls that inhabit boreal forests.

cheers,
bruce



Mar 03, 2019 at 07:16 AM
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p.98 #13 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


OwlsEyes wrote:
Geoff, Super work with the hawk owls... love the background on this last one. Your images of the hawk owl speak to the capacity of the 500PF's capacity to acquire and hold focus, as these are super-fast flyers and relatively small targets in the air... seriously wishing I was wherever you were, as I love to photograph the suite of owls that inhabit boreal forests.

cheers,
bruce


Thanks Bruce. Most people don't even bother to try for the flight stuff as evident from this photo...
Meanwhile I tracked him the entire way down off the tree and in between the people....that shot is with the 500/4 but still....







Mar 03, 2019 at 09:28 AM
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arbitrage wrote:
Downstroke...


Phenomenal series Geoff.



Mar 04, 2019 at 04:02 PM
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p.98 #15 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Today's bierd, 28F spitting snow, grey gloom overcast. Should have taken the D850?
Good news is we found 4 GBH nests--all occupied, and this one by the river waiting for a snack.

3 4s bierd by MedicineMan4040, on Flickr



Mar 04, 2019 at 04:03 PM
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p.98 #16 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Thoughts/experiences and seeking input about the 500PF and tripods...

I have been a shooter for a long time, and thus a bit of a traditionalist. Having learned to photograph nature via the John Shaw "school" of photography (reading and re-reading his books on the subject), I drank the tripod cool-aid... buy a big, invest the money, and use it all of the time. The development of VR did not hinder the commitment to my 3-legged friend, but the PF lenses may be the thing that causes me to leave the legs at home. To this day, I have found it very difficult to shoot the 500PF from a tripod w/ any kind of gimbal head. I have a proper Induro GBH2 and Sidekick. The 500PF does not stabilize well with these and I have pretty much given up on them. As for my ball heads, well it is hit or miss. There are times when the PF does great with a ball head and other times when that is not the case... As for my tripod... I use both a Gitzo 3-series/3-section systematic w/ flat plate and Induro 3-series/3-section GIT w/ flat plate.

So a few thoughts and questions...
- VR on or VR off? This has been a tough one. I tend to leave VR sport on, even on a tripod. However, I am not sure if this is improving or harming the final output.
- Lock down the head or go loosey-goosey... see above, as this too is hit or miss.
- Shutter speed... well, here's the rub. I find that when shooting from a tripod, some shutter speeds will produce average results while others will be brilliant. I can't help but wonder if internal shutter vibration is having a bigger than expected impact because the lens is so light. As a result, it seems as if the vibration is amplified by the tripod.
- Hand-holding... well, this is where things seem to be optimized. If I shoot with VR sport on, I seem to get the most from the lens.

Why it matters? I like to shoot from a tripod, especially in the cold. The tripod holds the lens and frees me to think about compositions. It's been -15 F (-27 w/ the wind) during my last two shoots... it is nice to stick my hands in warm pockets and have the camera and lens ready to go to work from my tripod...

Has anyone had similar issues or developed a work around.... or, is it that I am a dinosaur and need to get over the desire to work from a tripod? Believe it or not, I am now beginning to wonder if I would have been better off w/ a 500G, not because of image quality, but because of my own shooting preferences.

As always, your thoughts and commentaries are welcome.
cheers,
bruce



Mar 04, 2019 at 04:34 PM
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OwlsEyes wrote:
- VR on or VR off? This has been a tough one. I tend to leave VR sport on, even on a tripod. However, I am not sure if this is improving or harming the final output.

- Shutter speed... well, here's the rub. I find that when shooting from a tripod, some shutter speeds will produce average results while others will be brilliant.

- Hand-holding... well, this is where things seem to be optimized. If I shoot with VR sport on, I seem to get the most from the lens.


Quite timely. I just bought a D850 and Nikon 500 f/4 E, and went for my first BIF shoot yesterday morning. Looking at the files afterwards, I think that there's a general pattern where the hand-held shots were much sharper than the tripod shots. I had it in VR Sport mode the whole time, so am now wondering if that mode is not the best to use when on a tripod. Light was good, so relatively fast shutter speeds.




Mar 04, 2019 at 04:42 PM
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Colin F wrote:
Quite timely. I just bought a D850 and Nikon 500 f/4 E, and went for my first BIF shoot yesterday morning. Looking at the files afterwards, I think that there's a general pattern where the hand-held shots were much sharper than the tripod shots. I had it in VR Sport mode the whole time, so am now wondering if that mode is not the best to use when on a tripod. Light was good, so relatively fast shutter speeds.



Interesting, as your lens is at least 4lbs heavier than mine. My former 200-400 benefited from a tripod. The extra mass of the lens dampened the vibration,... I wonder if the lighter materials are doing the opposite.



Mar 04, 2019 at 04:46 PM
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p.98 #19 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Here are a couple images from last week, taken with the D850 and the 500mm PF...
Keith W.













Mar 05, 2019 at 04:07 AM
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p.98 #20 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


I found there is a lot of vibration with Gitzo 3-series but this goes largely away when I switched to my 4-series Systematic. I use an Arca-Swiss Z1 and Sidekick, with Kirk plate on the Nikon foot of the 500mm PF. The viewfinder is perfectly stable (VR OFF) at eye level (as long as I get good contact of the legs with ground) and it's a delight to shoot with. With the 3-series I can only get a vibration-free viewfinder experience if I don't extend the legs and shoot from a low position.

I have been happy with the sharpness using the 4-series and gimbal setup. I have typically used 1/800s +- shutter speeds, at slower speeds (e.g. 1/200s) one can see the bird movement blur on many shots but I haven't noticed vibration that I could attribute to the tripod. At faster speeds (e.g. 1/1250s) movement blur is harder to see, but if the bird takes off, it does show up again.

I use VR SPORT when hand-holding, and VR OFF when using the 4-series tripod. If all I have is the 3-series, and I need to shoot from eye level, then I have turned VR SPORT, and it does at least help reduce vibration in the viewfinder, but I find with the bigger tripod, and VR OFF, it is a more pleasant shooting experience as no vibration is better than compensated for vibration.

buy a big, invest the money, and use it all of the time 

Gitzo 3-series are intended for use with lenses up to 300mm (if you are shooting in difficult conditions, 200mm, if your conditions are good, maybe up to 400mm, though I haven't run into such conditions). With 4-series, the number indicates lenses up to 400mm can be used in normal conditions (500mm, 600mm in favourable conditions, only up to 300mm in poor conditions or if you want extra stability). 5-series: lenses up to 500mm can be used in normal conditions.

I felt 5-series was too heavy for me to lug around and found the 4-series to be an excellent compromise for what I use. If I don't bring a long lens, often I do use the lighter 3-series, e.g. for landscape. I'm surprised to see so many 500mm lens users use a 3-series tripod - perhaps it's because Nikon telephoto lenses used to have wobbly collars and the heavier tripod didn't help as much as it could have. The 500 PF tripod mount is quite stiff and excellent, in my opinion, and the effect of the more rigid tripod is dramatic.


Shutter speed... well, here's the rub. I find that when shooting from a tripod, some shutter speeds will produce average results while others will be brilliant. I can't help but wonder if internal shutter vibration is having a bigger than expected impact because the lens is so light. As a result, it seems as if the vibration is amplified by the tripod.


I should test this myself, but I haven't run into bad shutter speeds using the 4-series tripod. I think at slower speeds the movement of the subject dominates the blur and at faster speeds, excellent results are obtained consistently.


- Hand-holding... well, this is where things seem to be optimized. If I shoot with VR sport on, I seem to get the most from the lens.


I am sure the VR itself is optimized for hand-held use. I too like VR SPORT a lot, it gives the right amount of stabilization and doesn't hinder following moving subjects. But I turn it off when shooting from the tripod.


Why it matters? I like to shoot from a tripod, especially in the cold. The tripod holds the lens and frees me to think about compositions. It's been -15 F (-27 w/ the wind) during my last two shoots... it is nice to stick my hands in warm pockets and have the camera and lens ready to go to work from my tripod...


Yes, I agree, when having to wait for the subject, the tripod makes life a lot more enjoyable. I would recommend buying some hand warmers (bags containing stuff that when it gets in contact with air, it generates heat for a day's shoot) to put inside your gloves when shooting in those conditions, they are a miraculous invention.

is it that I am a dinosaur and need to get over the desire to work from a tripod?

Not at all. But you may need a bigger tripod.

I have converged my shooting with the 500mm PF so that for birds, I generally use the tripod and for sports, I hand-hold the lens. But after shooting the 500 hand held for an event that lasts several hours, I can say that my head is spinning from the experience. It is so much easier to work with a tripod and gimbal head if the shoot takes a long time. Of course, at sports venues most professional photographers use monopods and I have tried working with the 500 PF on a monopod, but while it helps reduce the weight one has to hold while waiting, and takes less space than the tripod, I find following moving subjects is easier either hand-held or using a tripod and gimbal. But I know some who always use a monopod, so my experience is not by any means universal.



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