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"Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread

  
 
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p.100 #1 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Welcome to the 100th page of the amazing 500PF thread...what a lens....what a frustration for those trying to buy one...onwards we go....

















Mar 09, 2019 at 09:21 PM
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p.100 #2 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Taken at high noon. Practicing my BIF. Improving. But still getting lots of "bokeh in flight".

















Mar 09, 2019 at 10:58 PM
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p.100 #3 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Looking forward to picking mine up on Monday. Love the photos you and others posted here.


Mar 09, 2019 at 11:14 PM
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p.100 #4 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread




arbitrage wrote:
what a frustration for those trying to buy one


You bet. I’m so pissed right now that I would consider switching brands if the two others came up with something close to the D850.



Mar 10, 2019 at 06:52 AM
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p.100 #5 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


fpoet wrote:
You bet. I’m so pissed right now that I would consider switching brands if the two others came up with something close to the D850.




have to wonder...if it is the 500 pf that is pissing you off so badly that you considered 2 other brands, which of those other brands is it that is also offering a 500 pf that you could switch to if they had something like the d850?




Mar 10, 2019 at 07:01 AM
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brian_sp wrote:
have to wonder...if it is the 500 pf that is pissing you off so badly that you considered 2 other brands, which of those other brands is it that is also offering a 500 pf that you could switch to if they had something like the d850?



There is obviously no other 500 like the PF in the other brands (yet), but there are other options, even if that means heavier. A used Canon 500mmII, for example, or a 400mmDOII.

And, if Sony came up with an A7rIII with AF comparable to the D850, I certainly could live with the 100-400GM.



Mar 10, 2019 at 07:17 AM
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p.100 #7 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


fpoet wrote:
There is obviously no other 500 like the PF in the other brands (yet), but there are other options, even if that means heavier. A used Canon 500mmII, for example, or a 400mmDOII.

And, if Sony came up with an A7rIII with AF comparable to the D850, I certainly could live with the 100-400GM.


While I empathize with the plight of those wishing Nikon could produce more 500mm PF lenses to meet customer demand, I am not sure that this one lens is the reason to move to or abandon the Nikon system. Yes, I really like my 500PF, as it fits nicely into my shooting "universe;" however, I do not think that a move from Sony/Canon etc, should be predicated on this one optic.
Were you considering a move to Nikon, I think that you might want to check to see if the camera is the one thing that will improve your photography. Lenses are great, but if you do not gel with the AF system, ergonomics, dynamic range, etc... then it does not matter how great the lens is.

Let's consider Canon as a case study. Man, they have some amazing lenses. There are the past and current DO 400mm f/4 lenses. The original can be had for less than the 500PF and this 400DO was one thing that had me consider a move to Canon in the past. Enter the 400mm f/4 DO v2... wow, spectacular optic w/ non-DO contrast. In addition, one can buy a 500mm f/4 IS v1 for less than the price of the 500PF... once again, an outstanding lens that could meet most people's telephoto needs for years to come... But here's the rub, people are selling off these lenses, not because of the PF, but to move to Sony or Nikon for their cameras with their dynamic range and AF performance.

Rather than anger and frustration, consider buying a D500 or D850 w/ a 300PF + 1.4x converter and see if the cameras/lenses meet your needs and get started building your Nikon system... If you're a Sony shooter.. the A9 w/ 100-400 + 1.4x is spectacular, and apparently better than either Nikon body when it comes to AF tracking. This pair will save you about $2000 off the price of the D850 + 500PF at current prices. Finally, were I a Canon shooter, I'd be eyeing the 400DOii w/ 1.4x,... I have to believe that this lens is simply amazing.



Mar 10, 2019 at 08:13 AM
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p.100 #8 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


For those who aren't weight weenies, the 200-400 continues to kick butt!

T4 by Christian Hunold, on Flickr



Mar 10, 2019 at 08:20 AM
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p.100 #9 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


OwlsEyes wrote:
Rather than anger and frustration, consider buying a D500 or D850 w/ a 300PF + 1.4x converter and see if the cameras/lenses meet your needs and get started building your Nikon system... If you're a Sony shooter.. the A9 w/ 100-400 + 1.4x is spectacular, and apparently better than either Nikon body when it comes to AF tracking. This pair will save you about $2000 off the price of the D850 + 500PF at current prices. Finally, were I a Canon shooter, I'd be eyeing the 400DOii w/ 1.4x,... I have to believe that this lens is simply amazing.


Or do as I do and use all three of those combos



Mar 10, 2019 at 08:41 AM
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p.100 #10 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


fpoet wrote:
There is obviously no other 500 like the PF in the other brands (yet), but there are other options, even if that means heavier. A used Canon 500mmII, for example, or a 400mmDOII.

And, if Sony came up with an A7rIII with AF comparable to the D850, I certainly could live with the 100-400GM.


so you are saying nikon doesn't have any other options to the 500 then, must suck




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p.100 #11 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


OwlsEyes wrote:
While I empathize with the plight of those wishing Nikon could produce more 500mm PF lenses to meet customer demand, I am not sure that this one lens is the reason to move to or abandon the Nikon system. Yes, I really like my 500PF, as it fits nicely into my shooting "universe;" however, I do not think that a move from Sony/Canon etc, should be predicated on this one optic.
Were you considering a move to Nikon, I think that you might want to check to see if the camera is the one thing that will improve your photography.
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Thank you. I have been both in Canon and Sony land myself and I must say that I have been following the developments, all in the light of my own shooting preferences. You are correct in saying there are other possibilities, that was the point I was making. I have come to know what I want and am choosing the gear that will allow me to get there with the least limitations for my budget, considering what I am ready to pay. While I can adapt to different bodies, I do have specific requirements, and right now the D850 meets the most basic ones, with its pixel density, AF system and frame rate with grip. As for lenses, for me, I prefer not to use TCs (even though I sometimes used one with the Canon 600mmII), and I am convinced the 500PF is a great compromise between the 200-500mm (which I now have) and the 500E.

The point is, if I cannot have it before next year, I might as well as look at the other options.



Mar 10, 2019 at 09:19 AM
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p.100 #12 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


brian_sp wrote:
so you are saying nikon doesn't have any other options to the 500 then, must suck



No. I am saying the other Nikon options do not correspond to what I want.



Mar 10, 2019 at 09:29 AM
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p.100 #13 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


My apologies for the embarrassing BOB shots (that's Bird-On-Branch for your non-birders out there )...not too much exciting around here right now. But I wanted to comment on how very pleased I am with the D850 & 500PF. I honestly don't think I'll ever use my 600E again for warblers since I rarely shoot warblers from a tripod. Although the 600 offers a faster f4, the DOF is razor thin when shooting near MFD so the slower 500PF provides a good compromise in speed and DOF in a light-weight and compact package. I've ordered a Lowepro Protactic 450 AW II which will take the D850+grip+TC14EIII+500PF *with hood attached* for carrying when riding my fat bike looking for warblers. The Protactic's top-load option will make it easy to stop, sling out the camera and be ready to shoot.

The following heavily cropped (50%+) examples are from the D850+500PF straight-up. I'm still experimenting with the TC14EIII trying to get it dialed-in. I'm hoping the new firmware updates to the Z7 will improve it's AF performance enough even for static shots so it can replace my D850 (the D850's shutter spooks the birds) but for now I've abandoned the Z7 for birding since the AF just doesn't cut it.



















Mar 10, 2019 at 10:28 AM
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p.100 #14 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Brad Hill's latest on the 500PF...
http://www.naturalart.ca/voice/blog.html#500PF_OpticalCompetitors

"Final Discussion and Comments

When the Nikkor 500mm f5.6E PF was first announced I was only moderately excited about the lens. As a reasonably happy owner of the first of Nikon's PF lenses (the 300mm f4 PF) I was fairly confident the newer PF lens would be very light and compact, reasonably sharp, and generally "quite usable". And, I hoped that because of the inexorable march forward in technology it would be even a little better (sharper, better AF system, better VR system) than the 300mm PF. And, because it has "only" a f5.6 aperture, I WANTED it to be tack sharp when shot wide open (but I really didn't think it would be).

But WOW...was I ever wrong! The 500mm f5.6E PF is pretty much as sharp as a prime super-telephoto lens can be - both in the central region AND on the edges. And, it's that sharp at ALL "normal" apertures - from wide open until you stop down to the point of hitting the diffraction limit. It is only the second lens I have ever tested that is as sharp wide open as when stopped down (the other lens being the Nikkor 180-400mm f4E, which costs about three times as much). There is absolutely no sharpness-related reason to stop this lens down, which means you are completely free to shoot it wide open virtually all the time. Which also means it does a MUCH better job at subject isolation (you know...pulling a subject off a busy background) than I expected a f5.6 lens ever could.

Given that other 500mm prime lenses (like, for instance, the Nikkor 500mm f4E and the Sigma Sport 500mm f4) have to be stopped down 2/3 to a full stop to attain maximum sharpness (and sharpness approaching that of the 500mm PF!) one is left wondering why anyone would fork out thousands and thousands more for these much bigger and heavier lenses. I guess the short-term answer is simple: because...unlike the 500mm PF...you can actually order them and they WILL BE DELIVERED! But once the 500mm PF is readily and widely available the question of why anyone would be another 500mm f-mount lens is much tougher to answer. I personally can't think of a single good reason why I would! The 500mm PF is just THAT flipping amazing...


I think Brad is impressed.



Mar 10, 2019 at 10:55 AM
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p.100 #15 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Thanks for all you have written here Gary. Very interesting comments. I absorbed every word of it, and all of Brad Hill’s comments too.

Robert





Mar 10, 2019 at 02:18 PM
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p.100 #16 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Detail anyone?












Mar 10, 2019 at 02:35 PM
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p.100 #17 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


bs kite wrote:
Thanks for all you have written here Gary. Very interesting comments. I absorbed every word of it, and all of Brad Hill’s comments too.

Robert


You're most welcome Robert! Of course my opinion is but a single drop in the ocean of truth, so whatever you do, keep reading!

Brad Hill can certainly be enthusiastic but I can't disagree with anything he's written so far about the 500PF. It's a far more USABLE lens than I ever thought it might be, notwithstanding it's 'only' 500mm and f5.6.

THIS is why I like Nikon...they're not afraid to take risks. Consider the D850 ... to me, it's increasingly likely that the D850 will go down in history as the best DSLR ever made...the king of DSLRs. It's the camera I really thought nobody would ever make, and here it is. Thank you Nikon!



Mar 10, 2019 at 04:30 PM
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p.100 #18 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Gary Irwin wrote:
You're most welcome Robert! Of course my opinion is but a single drop in the ocean of truth, so whatever you do, keep reading!

Brad Hill can certainly be enthusiastic but I can't disagree with anything he's written so far about the 500PF. It's a far more USABLE lens than I ever thought it might be, notwithstanding it's 'only' 500mm and f5.6.

THIS is why I like Nikon...they're not afraid to take risks. Consider the D850 ... to me, it's increasingly likely that the D850 will go down in history as the best DSLR ever made...the king of DSLRs. It's
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Yes, I too think it may go down as the best DSLR ever made. And it took me a long time after I received it, to even begin to open my eyes to what it could do.

Thanks again Gary.




Mar 10, 2019 at 04:34 PM
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p.100 #19 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


I think Brad Hill is exaggerating a bit on its merits vs. the 500/4. I don't have the 500/4 for reference but recently I shot 200/2 II and 500 PF at an event and the 200 produces consistently high contrast images whereas the 500 PF does not. There is still some reduction of contrast when shooting into bright background (even though the 500 PF is better than the 300 PF in this respect). The 200 leaves it in the dust. I know the 500/4 is not the 200/2II but nonetheless I don't believe it is that far behind. Whenever I shoot figure skating with the PF lenses and use either 70-200/2.8 FL or the 200 at the same event, when viewing side by side the non-PF lenses show much higher contrast, and the 200 in particular shows nicer bokeh in many shots than the other two. I have only briefly shot the 500/4G and it showed beautiful rendering of birds against the sky as bright background and I believe it too would shine with the ice as background, but I chose the PF because it is much easier to operate in a confined space, and much more pleasant to take along when I have a lot of other equipment to carry.

Sometimes people get overexcited about a piece of gear, and lose their objectivity. Then there are the bashers who think the item is a piece of crap. I can only refer to how wisely Roger's Law was phrased. https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2013/01/rogers-law-of-new-product-introduction/

As for the D850, it is a nice camera but many features need refinement, for example the film digitizer mode, the focus shift feature, etc. and I am sure there will be an improved successor soon enough, perhaps in 2020 with some of the features from the D6.



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