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"Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread

  
 
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p.72 #1 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


JohnK007 wrote:
Geoff bought the 500/4 before the 500 PF existed.

If I recall correctly, he rates the 300 PF as his all-time favorite bird lens ... and is lamenting he can't get his hands on the 500 PF


Not me ... but good luck


But does he need the 500PF when he has the 300PF + 1.4TC or 1.7TC ?



Nov 16, 2018 at 10:43 PM
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p.72 #2 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


brian_sp wrote:
should of sunk Geoff's kayak when you guys were out shooting together and when he holds his nikon gear up above the waterline that is rising above his head, grabbed his gear and paddled off


I already offered all my Nikon gear to Colin, he has yet to take me up on the offer.....no need for sabotage
I shoot the S brand now....onwards and upwards as they say....



Nov 16, 2018 at 11:16 PM
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p.72 #3 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


MedicineMan404 wrote:
I don't know exactly where Geoff is but doesn't something like 90% of all Canadians live within 50 miles of the U.S. border?

There will be no more buying of Canon gears for me. I've got the EOS t-shirt!


Well Colin and I live in the same place and we are basically almost touching WA state...we aren't really in Canada per se....if I look out my window across the water I'm looking at the US, not Canada anymore.
But I know US people who are still waiting on August orders and therefore I don't want to give up my 5yr CDN warranty for a 5yr US warranty that I'd have to ship to who knows where if I ever needed service during warranty period.



Nov 16, 2018 at 11:18 PM
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p.72 #4 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


arbitrage wrote:
I already offered all my Nikon gear to Colin, he has yet to take me up on the offer.....no need for sabotage
I shoot the S brand now....onwards and upwards as they say....


I wish I could be as committed to a brand like you....me thinking of the money I'd save! You know I'm camping with Sony but if the Z7iii beats the Sony I'm decamping

And speaking of let downs, I'm kinda miffed I don't have a rad mini-a9 by now. You know if Sony had put the new cropper in my hands a couple months ago I'd not be posting in this thread.

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Nov 16, 2018 at 11:52 PM
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p.72 #5 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


arbitrage wrote:
I shoot the S brand now....onwards and upwards as they say....


you must really love roller coasters then

you started with "C"...a slow cricketing ride, at a snails pace slowly climbing to the top
then "N" right at the top, an adrenaline rush with a great view from the top
then the rush over the top with butterflies in the stomach, speeding downhill fast on the backside with the "S" brand




Nov 17, 2018 at 03:53 AM
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p.72 #6 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


MedicineMan404 wrote:
But does he need the 500PF when he has the 300PF + 1.4TC or 1.7TC ?


Everybody's needs are different, and I can't speak for his.

As far as my own, *if* I get the 500 PF, it will be at the end of my D500 (no TC), while the 300 PF would be at the end of my D850 (no TC). I can carry both and still feel no weight, thanks to the Cotton Carrier.

That said, I've never been happier with what I'm shooting: 300 PF at the end of the D500 (+TC) and a Voigtlander Apo-Lanthar macro at the end of my D850.

I do get GAS like anyone else, but (for hiking anyway), I am very satisfied with what I have: it is a very good and very light nature setup. (I carry 1-2 Zeiss primes for landscape in a pouch or a pack, depending on circumstances. Usually, the 25mm.)

The important thing to remember with the 500 PF, in comparing it to the 300 PF, is the 500 PF is it's at its sharpest wide-open, and its res figures are higher than the 300.

The 300mm is sharpest at f/5.6 also (not wide-open @ f/4), therefore, putting a TC on the 300, shooting at f/4 gives you an even lower-res, 420mm @ f/5.6. You'd have to stop down to f/5.6 on the 300mm (now f/8 with a TC) to get a 420mm f/8, which is in no way comparable to a wide-open 500mm f/5.6 operating w/o a TC.

That's a huge advantage in favor of the 500 PF.

The bad news is the 500mm PF is twice the weight of the 300 PF, but at only 1460 g is still hand-holdable for a long time.
The 500 PF also doesn't have the close-focus of the 300 PF, nor the reproduction ratio, which are important to me.

If I add the 500 PF, and remove the 300 PF + TC from my D500, to replace it with the 500 PF (no TC), I will enjoy better image quality on the long-end, while still not needing a tripod or being forced to carry a truly heavy lens. If I instead put the 300 PF at the end of my D850, no it's not as good a lens as my Voigtlander Apo-Lanthar macro, resolution-wise, but it *is* lighter, more athletic (has AF), as well as having VR. (I would have to carry the macro in a pouch to make this replacement, and use it only when needed.)

Using a bare 300mm on the D850 would enable the image quality to be at its uttermost, for that lens. As a pure macro lens, it will never equal the CV 125, but as an athletic close-up lens, for larger insects (butterflies, dragonfiles, and even close hummingbirds), the 300 PF blows the Voigtlander macro out of the water. Why? Because the absolute resolution of the MF macro lens is irrelevant if you can't nail focus on a moving target. So here the AF speed of the 300 PF + the VR trumps everything, and the image quality bare, with a D850, is excellent.

Anyway, just thinking out loud.

In the end, yes, the 300 + TCs can produce excellent images ... and can get me to a very good ~630mm f/5.6 with the 1.4x TC + D500 ... or a decent ~900mm f/8 equivalent with the 2xTC + so I don't "need" the 500 PF.

However, the 500 PF would give me a stellar ~750mm f/5.6 equivalent with the D500, bare, and a very good ~ 1050mm f/8 equivalent with the 1.4 TC added. (I doubt I'll use the 2x on the 500 PF.)

Meanwhile, the image quality of my 300 mm will be enhanced by removing the TC altogether and putting it on the D850.

All that said, I really think I will forego TCs altogether just use both lenses bare, on their respective cameras, to enjoy each performing at their best ... as I continue to talk myself into buying this lens



Nov 17, 2018 at 04:42 AM
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p.72 #7 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


MedicineMan404 wrote:
I wish I could be as committed to a brand like you....me thinking of the money I'd save! You know I'm camping with Sony but if the Z7iii beats the Sony I'm decamping

And speaking of let downs, I'm kinda miffed I don't have a rad mini-a9 by now. You know if Sony had put the new cropper in my hands a couple months ago I'd not be posting in this thread.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4872/45916720251_20427534d1_b.jpgAdult Wood Stork (2) by MedicineMan4040, on Flickr


....me committed to a brand?........you obviously haven't been following along as closely as I thought you had.......
I just packed up my backpack to go pick up Colin in a couple hours for a sunrise shoot.....there is stuff in my bag from C, N and S.....
I think I will dedicate the early hours to the 500E on D850 because I want f/4 and lots of reach. But I will quickly shift over to the 400DOII on A9 to shoot the birdies in the air. Later on as the light gets strong and not as nice (and I get tired of handholding 500 and 400) then I will go to the 100-400GM and try for the type of birds no one else tries for....(things like blackbirds iF etc)....my results will then have to be posted across all three brand forums



Nov 17, 2018 at 07:56 AM
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p.72 #8 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


No! I follow you Geoff like the back of my hand or my mother! I do need to start taking notes though

Forgot to mention I'm working on my backgrounds and PS skills!

Nikon D500
500.0 mm f/5.6
ƒ/8.0 500.0 mm 1/2500 640

Pelecanus occidentalis by MedicineMan4040, on Flickr



Nov 17, 2018 at 08:17 AM
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p.72 #9 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Lance B wrote:
Posted on the Z7 camera forum as well

Went shooting in the National Park near my home this afternoon and luckily there was a family of King Parrots, a male, a female and a couple of juveniles, feeding on seed pods on a tree.

Sharpness was not an issue, but moire was. These feathers are so iridescent that it is really difficult to photograph and keep moire under control.

1) Male King Parrot.

Z7 + 500 f5.6 PF, 1/250s f/5.6 at 500.0mm iso900

http://www.pbase.com/lance_b/image/168402856/original.jpg

2) Juvenile King Parrot

Z7 + 500 f5.6 PF, 1/500s f/5.6 at 500.0mm iso1250

http://www.pbase.com/lance_b/image/168402857/original.jpg

3) Juvenile King Parrot.

Z7 + 500 f5.6
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G'day Lance! It's good to be back in Oz and like many on this forum, I've been anxiously eyeing the Z series cameras (and the 500mm PF lens) to complement my birding kit. Currently, I like the files from my D750 more than my D800, so have been contemplating the Z6 (once it's here in Oz). I've been hoping the new kit will outperform what I currently use (it better, or I'll be very disappointed), so I went through my King Parrot files on LR to see how they compare with the Z7 / 500 PF combo. I've included an image below for comparison, and I'm having trouble justifying the huge cash outlay for the Z6/FTZ/500mm PF as I really can't see a huge improvement in detail / colour rendition or bokeh. I realize the files uploaded to FM may not truly represent what you captured, so I'd like to know if you see a significant difference in the files you capture with your DSLR when compared with the Z7. I'm sure other factors such as focus speed and tracking may be far superior to my current kit, but I'm mainly concerned with the end product...

_DSC4595.jpg by David Hamments, on Flickr

Cheers and good light,
David

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Nov 17, 2018 at 05:08 PM
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p.72 #10 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


dhamments wrote:
G'day Lance! It's good to be back in Oz and like many on this forum, I've been anxiously eyeing the Z series cameras (and the 500mm PF lens) to complement my birding kit. Currently, I like the files from my D750 more than my D800, so have been contemplating the Z6 (once it's here in Oz). I've been hoping the new kit will outperform what I currently use (it better, or I'll be very disappointed), so I went through my King Parrot files on LR to see how they compare with the Z7 / 500 PF combo. I've included an
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Beautiful photo of the King Parrot, David!

I don't think you will see a big difference with ANY FF camera, the differences are subtle at best. With each new iteration of camera, Nikon (and other manufacturers) do tweak the image output to get the best IQ and I do think the Z7 has a ever so slight advantage over the D850, which I thought had the best IQ of any camera I have used. If you are looking to upgrade due to better IQ, then you may be a little disappointed as it just won't be there when you consider the cost to update. However, I didn't buy the Z7 for better IQ, I purchased it due to the small and light body and for the promise of better IQ from the new Z mount and the Z mount lenses. The new mount is what it is all about, better IQ due to the mount diameter and shorter FFD and so far that has been realised, these new lenses do seem to be better.

For travel, the D850 + 24-70 f2.8 lens is haevy, over 2kg. The Z7 + 24-70 f4s is just over 1kg, that's a full 1kg weight saving and is also not this huge "I'm a tourist" look to it. Not only that, but the 24-70 f4s lens is sharper, sharper at f4 than the f2.8 at f4 and sharper across the frame. Not only that, it now means I can fit in another lens if I do wish. Since getting the Z7, I have not wanted to use my D850 and I haven't The D850 is now relegated to fast moving BIF duties, the Z7 handles all the rest.



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p.72 #11 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Lance B wrote:
Beautiful photo of the King Parrot, David!

I don't think you will see a big difference with ANY FF camera, the differences are subtle at best. With each new iteration of camera, Nikon (and other manufacturers) do tweak the image output to get the best IQ and I do think the Z7 has a ever so slight advantage over the D850, which I thought had the best IQ of any camera I have used. If you are looking to upgrade due to better IQ, then you may be a little disappointed as it just won't be there when you consider
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Great points Lance, and pretty much what I imagined you'd say. I'm looking to sell my D800 and D7100 to fund the Z6 for it's size and weight and the promise of improved kit lens (and upcoming prime) performance that the 24-70 f4S offers. (I'm not getting any younger and do enjoy getting out with a lighter kit when possible). I'm also intrigued by IBIS and focus peaking for my many manual focus primes. Thanks for posting your always excellent examples of what new Nikon products can do in the real world.... much appreciated!

Cheers and good light,
David



Nov 17, 2018 at 05:30 PM
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p.72 #12 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


dhamments wrote:
G'day Lance! It's good to be back in Oz and like many on this forum, I've been anxiously eyeing the Z series cameras (and the 500mm PF lens) to complement my birding kit. Currently, I like the files from my D750 more than my D800, so have been contemplating the Z6 (once it's here in Oz). I've been hoping the new kit will outperform what I currently use (it better, or I'll be very disappointed), so I went through my King Parrot files on LR to see how they compare with the Z7 / 500 PF combo. I've included an
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Wonderful capture of a stunning species. You Aussies have some incredible creatures.



Nov 17, 2018 at 09:42 PM
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p.72 #13 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Gull portrait by MedicineMan4040, on Flickr


Nov 19, 2018 at 06:35 AM
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p.72 #14 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


arbitrage wrote:
Cry me a river....Canada has still only seen 2 copies of the lens for the entire country....IMO these lenses should be distributed based on pure land mass and not based on population or any silly metric like that


I'm totally in agreement! Still waiting to hear anything on my two pre-orders with Henrys and Vistek.

A guy I know didn't want to wait so he bought it online in Denmark where he has family, and his wife was there visiting and she brought it back for him. I need this kind of connection!



Nov 19, 2018 at 02:10 PM
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p.72 #15 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Have not read this thread lately. Just popped in to let all know that Allen’s just called me. They came to my name on the list. I called Allen’s about 1 month ago. I was frustrated with waiting for my regular “big house” camera company to fill my 500 5.6 pre-order of August 29. I cancelled that order last week.

I just told the lady at Allen’s that I did not want the lens (changed my mind).

As I said, I have not been following this thread closely. My advice is to call around and get on what lists you can. Sorry, cannot speak to the problem that Canada is having.

Robert




Nov 19, 2018 at 03:43 PM
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p.72 #16 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Nikon D500
500.0 mm f/5.6
ƒ/6.3 500.0 mm 1/640 900

Chic day by MedicineMan4040, on Flickr



Nov 19, 2018 at 04:15 PM
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p.72 #17 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Does no one else have this lens ?
I feel like I'm hogging the space here

Playing Terns by MedicineMan4040, on Flickr



Nov 19, 2018 at 09:58 PM
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p.72 #18 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Great lens... almost made a partial switch to Nikon for it. A D500 + this lens seems like a superb combo, but not being able to even get the lens stopped me short.


Nov 20, 2018 at 07:17 AM
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p.72 #19 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


MedicineMan404 wrote:
Does no one else have this lens ?
I feel like I'm hogging the space here

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4859/44147583230_8e112a5ea1_o.jpgPlaying Terns by MedicineMan4040, on Flickr


No, no one else has it...the supply is a joke....

Nice shot...great clarity in this one.

PS. Don't worry if I ever come across this lens I will bombard this thread with images

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Nov 20, 2018 at 08:13 AM
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p.72 #20 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


I'd think with the hunger shown for the 500PF Nikon is surely working on the 600PF.


Nov 20, 2018 at 08:14 AM
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