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"Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread

  
 
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p.71 #1 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


JohnK007 wrote:
Where do you come up with this nonsense?

The D850 has been the single-most sought after full frame camera for quite a while, which has been well documented since Christmas time last year.

The D500 is also the most sought after APS-C since it came out.

This lens, the lightest 500mm super telephoto on the planet, with image quality basically equaling $12,000 lenses, is going to be in high demand as long as it exists, and is pretty much without peer in the quality-to-price/weight department.


Agreed. Nikon already has succeeded in the first half of the equation by producing an incredible product. Now how about
releasing some accurate information regarding shipping and stop ignoring your customers and dealeras. In my case.....I sold all my Cannon gear to make the switch to Nikon. So here I am. Should I buy a different lens, only to get an email that my lens is shipping tomorrow. All I ask for is some accurate intel. I can wait for the lens but hearing rumors about nine months is pissing me off. I doubt there would be one ounce of disagreement on that point.

Al



Nov 16, 2018 at 07:20 AM
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p.71 #2 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


kbarrera wrote:
Agreed. Nikon already has succeeded in the first half of the equation by producing an incredible product. Now how about
releasing some accurate information regarding shipping and stop ignoring your customers and dealeras. In my case.....I sold all my Cannon gear to make the switch to Nikon. So here I am. Should I buy a different lens, only to get an email that my lens is shipping tomorrow. All I ask for is some accurate intel. I can wait for the lens but hearing rumors about nine months is pissing me off. I doubt there would be one ounce of
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There are many lenses that can sometimes be so sought after that production can't match them. I remember waiting 2 months to get a
Voigtlander Nokton 58mm f/1.4 SL II S Lens, last year. They're occasionally depleted at B&H even now.

Nikon is a finite company trying to ensure global supply of precision optics. There is a duty to quality control, and I think there is some reality to the "split forces" of putting in a certain amount of resources to the budding mirrorless market vs. allocating resources to their existing DSLR market.

I know waiting can be frustrating, but when you GET what you've been waiting for, it makes the process "worth the wait"

On the other hand, those who rush to "buy something else," in defiance of their wait, just to satisfy their buy desire, usually regret that impulsive decision ... as they slowly watch the population of "satisfied X-owners" increase as production slowly meets the demand.

FWIW,



Nov 16, 2018 at 08:29 AM
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p.71 #3 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Yes, Nikon has released some amazing products recently that have been in incredibly high demand, however, it's not unreasonable to think that after the restructuring, Nikon has somewhat muted production to avoid having excess product in a rapidly shrinking market. Regardless, we'll never likely know for sure.

JohnK007 wrote:
Where do you come up with this nonsense?

The D850 has been the single-most sought after full frame camera for quite a while, which has been well documented since Christmas time last year.

The D500 is also the most sought after APS-C since it came out.

This lens, the lightest 500mm super telephoto on the planet, with image quality basically equaling $12,000 lenses, is going to be in high demand as long as it exists, and is pretty much without peer in the quality-to-price/weight department.




Nov 16, 2018 at 09:48 AM
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p.71 #4 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


I just had some correspondence with Nikon USA and I have to say the response at the base level as been incredible. They were unbelievably sympathetic and promised to help me with this situation.
It’s too bad that attitude wasn’t the same at the top level. Regardless of when my lens arrives....I will remain a Nikon customer because of the two people I have been dealing with. I will acknowledge them here and to their superiors when this is over.

Al



Nov 16, 2018 at 02:42 PM
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p.71 #5 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Strange day. After 4 non stop 24/7 days of rain the Sun peaked out for 45 mins and not one Cardinal when there are usually 6-8.
That tells me the hawks were close but I never spotted one.
This Mockingbird was the only one willing to strike a pose for me.

He will look to the side by MedicineMan4040, on Flickr

Nikon D500
500.0 mm f/5.6
ƒ/8.0 500.0 mm 1/2000 1400

Mock in bierd by MedicineMan4040, on Flickr



Nov 16, 2018 at 04:08 PM
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p.71 #6 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


AvianScott wrote:
I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Yes, Nikon has released some amazing products recently that have been in incredibly high demand, however, it's not unreasonable to think that after the restructuring, Nikon has somewhat muted production to avoid having excess product in a rapidly shrinking market. Regardless, we'll never likely know for sure.


Possibly.

If you'll notice, Nikon's representation in winning awards (World Press / NatGeo) has been astronomical compared to their peers in the "overall market share."

While Nikon may be #2 in overall camera sales ... behind Canon but ahead of Sony ... Nikon cameras produced **winning results** 2-1, over Canon and Sony combined

People notice this, at least those who are serious

DPR Wildlife Photographer of the Year Award? Again, another 100% Nikonian

The truth is, a person can buy a Nikon D5 + 500 PF for less than the cost of a Canon 500mm or Sony lens, by itself.
(Oh, that's right, Sony doesn't have a modern 500mm lens. But, hey, they do have a really nice brand new 400mm lens.)

Um, but ... well, the truth is, the new Sony 400mm isn't really all that "light weight" ... when you consider the fact the new Nikon 500 is HALF the weight of the Sony ... and, um, gulp ONE-THIRD the price ... jeeze ... while also offering equal image quality ... and *doh!* greater reach

The new Sony lens starts to lose its luster compared to the Nikkor 500 FF.

The truth is person could dump their Canon (or Sony) bodies, expensive lenses, and re-invest into Nikon's best ... and still make have money left over.

With the the 500 PF you get to attach it to a real camera, with the best of all possible worlds: one that is fully-mature, fully-weather-sealed, and ergonomically-excellent, as well as with the best sensors and AF systems to boot

Canon has great ergonomics, but not-so-great sensors;
Sony has great sensors, but not-so-great ergonomics or professional sealing.

Nikon, by contrast, is at the forefront of BOTH

It's actually no big surprise that there's plenty of Canon/Sony bodies to be had ... and it's equally no big surprise that Nikon can't seem to keep up with the supply/demand of the D850 + 500 PF. They're the best-quality, best value items in their respective classes ... and by a country mile.



Nov 16, 2018 at 04:53 PM
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p.71 #7 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


^^^ You make a compelling case John, and one that’s been gnawing at me lately.

I’m presently fairly invested in Canon gear, including the following:

5DIV and 7DII
Canon 500 f/4 II
1.4 III and 2x III extenders
Canon 100-400 II
Tamron 70-200 f/2.8
Tamron 90mm f/2.8 macro
Canon 16-35 f/4
Tamron 17-35 f/2.8
Canon 50mm f/1.2
Canon 50mm f/1.8
Canon 40mm f/2.8
Canon 430 flash with 2 Yongnuo wireless triggers
Angle-finder
A bunch of CF and SD (1) cards
Misc other bits & pieces like wired remotes etc.

The D500 is superior to the 7DII in some critical aspects; focus acquisition (and holding of said focus – important for BIF); dynamic range; buffer.

The D850 is awesome in all regards as we all know, although those XQD cards are bloody expensive, as is the battery grip and all its bits to achieve 9 FPS. Not sure how the buffer compares to the 5DIV. I do find 7 FPS a little slow.

With a switch to Nikon land, the larger birding lens choice would be difficult. While the new 500 PF has its obvious size & weight advantages offering unparalleled agility, I really like how well the f/4 500 lenses take extenders, even a 2X. The latest Nikon 500 f/4 is about the same weight as the Canon, and I don’t mind that too much, it sure is more manageable than the previous IS model I had at 1.5 lbs heavier.

I’ve never pushed the shutter of a Nikon, so would have a learning curve with all the different controls and menu, not sure how bad that would be.



What says you?


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Nov 16, 2018 at 05:53 PM
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p.71 #8 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Colin F wrote:
^^^ You make a compelling case John, and one that’s been gnawing at me lately.

I’m presently fairly invested in Canon gear, including the following:

5DIV and 7DII
Canon 500 f/4 II
1.4 III and 2x III extenders
Canon 100-400 II
Tamron 70-200 f/2.8
Tamron 90mm f/2.8 macro
Canon 16-35 f/4
Tamron 17-35 f/2.8
Canon 50mm f/1.2
Canon 50mm f/1.8
Canon 40mm f/2.8
Canon 430 flash with 2 Yongnuo wireless triggers
A bunch of CF and SD (1) cards
Misc other bits & pieces like wired remotes etc.

The D500 is superior to the 7DII in some critical aspects; focus acquisition (and holding of said focus – important for BIF); dynamic range; buffer.

The D850 is
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I was where you are 2.5 years ago. Heavily invested in Canon gear.

When Canon came out with the 7D II, I tried to convince myself it was worth the upgrade, but couldn't. Dumped it all.

I first got the D810, and (for a month) struggled with the ergonomics. Mostly, because Nikon's ISO control was on the wrong (left) side. I assigned the movie button the ISO function and was okay, but the LCD sucked for low-light macro.

When the D500 came out ... it was superior to the 7D II in **every** respect. The LCD is excellent; it was (literally) everything I hoped the 7D II would have been, and then some + a new Canon-friendly ISO button placement, even better ergonomics; I mean, it is just a badass, all-around APS-C

The D850 is the same badass camera, better image quality, not quite the reach or buffer. Great LCD now (compared to the D810, and everything else), and the sensor quality is class leading, as is its build quality.

I always was "wanting" with the Canon equipment ..."wishing" they had better sensors, etc.

Now, I am 100% satisfied with Nikon, doubly-so since getting the 300 PF.

* I can honestly say, I do not care about any other APS-C, with the Nikon D500.
* I can honestly say, I do not care about any other FF, with the Nikon D850.

Never could say that with Canon

You will actually come to appreciate Nikon bodies *more* than Canon bodies, when you get used to them: classier, nicer switches, buttons, plus the unparalleled feeling that you're doing the best you can, sensor-wise, AND function-wise, in every segment of their line-up, while still enjoying the professional ergonomics.

Seriously.



Nov 16, 2018 at 06:14 PM
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p.71 #9 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Thanks John. I fully agree on all that regarding the bodies, what would you say though on the lens front? In addition to my birding lens choice (which is mostly what I do), I could easily be happy with just one decent wide angle, one fast prime and a 70-200 f/2.8. Might you know just how available the latest Nikon 500 f/4s are on the used market? They're $13,000.00 + tax new here in Canada.

Too, I have to wonder if a 7DIII will appear, equaling or leapfrogging the D500.

Commences hand-wringing.



Nov 16, 2018 at 07:03 PM
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p.71 #10 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Colin F wrote:
Thanks John. I fully agree on all that regarding the bodies, what would you say though on the lens front?


Not sure.

I own only 1 Nikkor lens at the moment (300 PF). I dumped the 300 VR II for it, am glad I did.

I've had multiple Nikkor AI-S lenses, but dumped them all for Zeiss/Voigtländer. Every other lens I own is now a MF Zeiss or a Voigtländer.



Colin F wrote:
In addition to my birding lens choice (which is mostly what I do), I could easily be happy with just one decent wide angle, one fast prime and a 70-200 f/2.8. Might you know just how available the latest Nikon 500 f/4s are on the used market? They're $13,000.00 + tax new here in Canada.


If you want one dedicated WA wide, I'd suggest getting a Zeiss, at your preferred focal length.

If you want one dedicated bird lens, Nikkor will be your best bet. That said, I don't consider the 70-200 as "bird friendly" as the 300 f/4 PF. (Nikon itself labels the D500 + 300 PF "The Birder's Dream."

The 500 PF may re-adjust that Nikon sentiment, however

Regarding the 500 f/4E FL ED? It's a super lens, at a super-price

Regarding "which one is better," only you can answer that.

With the image quality being equal, is 'f/4' better in your eyes than less than half the weight ... and ... less then half the price?

Me personally, there is no way I would spend $8,000 on the 500 FL ED ... when $3,600 would get me the 500 PF ED.

However, I live in So CA, and don't need f/4



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Right, I never use the 70-200 for birds, it's used for other things like travelling/street.

While up here in the Pacific Northwest, lack of light is sometimes an issue, but f/4 also blows out the background much nicer than a 5.6, with the added advantage of working well with extenders, especially a 2X. If selling my Canon 500 f/4 and getting a used Nikon equivalent would not actually cost me anything, then that would be attractive.

Availability of the 500PF also seems to be a big problem right now.

As birds are my main target, I also wonder if one of the Nikon bodies would be the best choice over the other. There are pros & cons to both.



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Colin F wrote:
I’ve never pushed the shutter of a Nikon, so would have a learning curve with all the different controls and menu, not sure how bad that would be.



should of sunk Geoff's kayak when you guys were out shooting together and when he holds his nikon gear up above the waterline that is rising above his head, grabbed his gear and paddled off



Nov 16, 2018 at 08:07 PM
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brian_sp wrote:
You should of sunk Geoff's kayak when you guys were out shooting together and when he holds his Nikon gear up above the waterline that is rising above his head, grabbed his gear and paddled off.


How come I can't come up with these great ideas?

PS: "Should have..." sorry - one of my pet peeves.




Nov 16, 2018 at 08:18 PM
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Colin F wrote:
Right, I never use the 70-200 for birds, it's used for other things like travelling/street.


Well, the original query was "one lens" ... for birds.

If we're now adding lenses, and adding targets, then the sky's the limit


Colin F wrote:
While up here in the Pacific Northwest, lack of light is sometimes an issue, but f/4 also blows out the background much nicer than a 5.6, with the added advantage of working well with extenders, especially a 2X. If selling my Canon 500 f/4 and getting a used Nikon equivalent would not actually cost me anything, then that would be attractive.


I guess we're on two different subjects now: the Nikon 500 PF and "a used Nikon equivalent" for the Canon 500 f/4.

For me, it would be even more attractive to pocket the cash difference between a Canon 500 f/4 and Nikon PF, to enjoy the Nikon's equal image quality, and especially their field usable lighter weight.


Colin F wrote:
Availability of the 500PF also seems to be a big problem right now.


Big problem?

I suppose it depends on perceptive.

As a casualty investigator, when a business is losing $15,000/day in "loss of use," while I try to determine "who" was at fault for the incident, that's a big problem.

Compared to that, the conversational inquiry as to :when Nikon's 500 PF will become available" seems (at worst) to be a curiosity, not an actual problem. Certainly not a "big one"


Colin F wrote:
As birds are my main target, I also wonder if one of the Nikon bodies would be the best choice over the other. There are pros & cons to both.


IMO, all things considered, the Nikon D500 is the most all-around 'bird camera' of any brand, imo.

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Nov 16, 2018 at 08:40 PM
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I could be wrong, but I don't think that the IQ from the new PF is "equal" to that of the f/4, especially when you consider the isolation factor that one gets with an f/4. I think Steve Perry agrees with that. A buttery background vs a "nervous" background is a huge component of overall "image quality" IMO.

Availability: The scant availability of the new PF 500 is indeed a problem for many. Our own Geoff (arbitrage) simply cannot get one here in Canada, and he is frustrated by that, as I would be if I switched to Nikon and opted for the PF over the f/4 500. I would be attempting to shoot birds with a body only, and I suspect that I'd be disappointed - .

Cheers.




Nov 16, 2018 at 08:48 PM
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p.71 #16 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Colin F wrote:
I could be wrong, but I don't think that the IQ from the new PF is "equal" to that of the f/4, especially when you consider the isolation factor that one gets with an f/4. I think Steve Perry agrees with that. A buttery background vs a "nervous" background is a huge component of "image quality" IMO.


The MTF and bokeh are equal.

Whether f/4 or f/5/6 offer the best image quality depends on who's shooting, what they're shooting, and many other contexts

If you think the wider f/stop makes for the best images, take a look at the dedicated 600 f/4 thread, and you'll quickly see there's plenty of lousy "nervous" images too. An f/4 aperture isn't a guarantee of anything, really.

Just added weight and added expense.

Before we judge "a lens" based on a poster's image with it, we need to look carefully at who's shooting, what they're shooting, and how close they're getting ... so many factors involved in image quality besides a 1-stop advantage f/stop.

But, hey, if you want to spend triple the money, and carry double the weight, all so you can save "one" stop of light, be my guest.

For me? The 500 f/4 PF speaks my language more clearly ... as I'd rather enjoy every moment of my hiking MORE with the lighter weight and smaller size ... which will also enable me to more quickly nail each opportunity ... but to each his own


Colin F wrote:
Availability: The scant availability of the new PF 500 is indeed a problem for many. Our own Geoff (arbitrage) simply cannot get one here in Canada, and he is frustrated by that, as I would be if I switched to Nikon and opted for the PF over the f/4 500. I would be attempting to shoot birds with a body only, and I suspect that I'd be disappointed - .
Cheers.


Lol, you can always make a road trip to the states, can you not?



Nov 16, 2018 at 08:57 PM
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p.71 #17 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


JohnK007 wrote:
Lol, you can always make a road trip to the States, can you not?


Geoff's a pretty sharp guy, so I would assume that he would have thought of that and discovered the road-blocks. But, perhaps you will have given him some food for thought.

Anyway, who wants to buy all my Canon gear?







Nov 16, 2018 at 09:08 PM
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p.71 #18 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Colin F wrote:
Geoff's a pretty sharp guy, so I would assume that he would have thought of that and discovered the road-blocks. But, perhaps you will have given him some food for thought.


Geoff bought the 500/4 before the 500 PF existed.

If I recall correctly, he rates the 300 PF as his all-time favorite bird lens ... and is lamenting he can't get his hands on the 500 PF


Colin F wrote:
Anyway, who wants to buy all my Canon gear?


Not me ... but good luck



Nov 16, 2018 at 09:13 PM
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I don't know exactly where Geoff is but doesn't something like 90% of all Canadians live within 50 miles of the U.S. border?

There will be no more buying of Canon gears for me. I've got the EOS t-shirt!



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Colin F wrote:
Anyway, who wants to buy all my Canon gear?



I DO!!!

oops, sorry, just woke up from a nightmare, no i don't




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