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"Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread

  
 
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p.64 #1 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread



arbitrage wrote:
Just got an email back from my Canadian store....he said don't hold your breathe He think that only 2 copies of the lens were delivered FOR ALL OF CANADA so far ....no new shipment last week when the US got one. He has 10 on his list and he is just one of many, many popular Canadian retailers....NPS also has priority.... Nikon .



I have heard from high ranking Nikon guys the 500 PF (perma frost) is not made for Canada's 9 1/2 months of winter but, once the effects of mr ladyboy trudeaus carbon taxes are felt by the environment regular shipments to Canada will resume
Remember, you heard it here first

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Oct 30, 2018 at 07:49 PM
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p.64 #2 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Well done, Robert.


Oct 30, 2018 at 07:50 PM
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p.64 #3 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


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I have heard from high ranking Nikon guys the 500 PF (perma frost) is not made for Canada's 9 1/2 months of winter but, once the effects of mr ladyboy trudeaus carbon taxes are felt by the environment regular shipments to Canada will resume
Remember, you heard it here first


Then they should shift all future supply to Vancouver Island where we don't know what winter is



Oct 30, 2018 at 09:18 PM
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p.64 #4 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


I don't know names of many bierds, I know this is an Egret but not exactly which one. I do know that it was super super fast zipping down the stream in the Savannah Nat. Wildlife Refuge.

Nikon D500
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Speedster Three by MedicineMan4040, on Flickr



Oct 30, 2018 at 09:18 PM
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p.64 #5 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


@bs kite p.63 #20
Nice pictures. As I mentioned above that I can also get reasonably good pictures from my copy of the 200-500mm f/5.6E even at its long end, even though most zooms does not perform as well at its long end.
Those who said that they are not able to get good result out of their's is probably due to the variation coming out of Nikon factories, which have very wide tolerance the past 10 years. The next thing is the calibration of the lens to the camera that they are using, follow by user error which can happen to any of us, myself included.

@brian_sp p.64 #1
Good to know about the winter effect on this lens.

Lenses built with Fresnel element/s were known to have a couple of related issues:
1) the flares generated within the lens when shooting against bright background
2) the background bokeh for certain patterns will not look as good as lenses with ordinary smooth surface elements
3) the thermal effect on the Fresnel element due to expansion and contraction have on light path. The saw tooths height and angle at the center are different from the edge, so it will flex and warp due to the change in temperature
4) so far only known to have existed on Canon's very first version of the 400mm DO lens, and that is the separation of the Fresnel element from the duplet glass element, which Nikon does not use in their design.

As these new lenses are being tested in the field, more issues will be found over time, and I must thanks all those beta testers paying high prices to test it for us.



Oct 30, 2018 at 10:00 PM
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p.64 #6 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


It is the time of year that if I want to shoot I need to place camera/lens outside 45 min's before any serious attempts.
Our highs now in the mid-50s and freezing at night....and only going to get colder



Oct 30, 2018 at 10:32 PM
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p.64 #7 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Juvenile by MedicineMan4040, on Flickr


Oct 31, 2018 at 12:29 AM
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p.64 #8 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


hans98ko wrote:
3) the thermal effect on the Fresnel element due to expansion and contraction have on light path. The saw tooths height and angle at the center are different from the edge, so it will flex and warp due to the change in temperature


While thermal expansion can no doubt affect a lens's performance, I would be very surprised if Nikon were to put out lenses where this is not taken into account in the lens design to optimize performance across the expected temperature range of use.



Oct 31, 2018 at 04:30 AM
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p.64 #9 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


Do u have an example of any of these issues? Any links with pictures? I've been reading about these issues but never noticed myself. May be I don't know how to look for it. That means these are non-issues for ME. Anyhow I'd love to see a side-by-side samples for issue 1 & 2.

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@bs kite@ p.63 #20
Nice pictures. As I mentioned above that I can also get reasonably good pictures from my copy of the 200-500mm f/5.6E even at its long end, even though most zooms does not perform as well at its long end.
Those who said that they are not able to get good result out of their's is probably due to the variation coming out of Nikon factories, which have very wide tolerance the past 10 years. The next thing is the calibration of the lens to the camera that they are using, follow by user error which can happen to
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Oct 31, 2018 at 04:56 AM
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^yeah shooting in Florida should be a non-issue but I've experience thermal expansion/contraction and blurry images going quickly from air-conditioned room in Costa Rica to hot outside air.
Take a pic, chimp, not sharp.....30-45 min's later everything has equalized and images suddenly sharp.

Here in the mountains when it's -5F outside and I come in, even here at home, I still use the gigantic ziplock bag with silicon-gel packs inside. Cheap insurance.
Ziploc Big Bags, XXL Double Zipper Bag
Dry-Packs Brand Silica Gel Packets 20 Sampler Pack
I put the whole lens/camera into the bag, roll out the air, the desiccant packs go to work.



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p.64 #11 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


^I have done none of this... never noticed "thermal expansion..."
I shoot in -30deg F during the winter after leaving a 66 deg home. I pack up the gear after the shoot and just leave it in the bag to reacclimatize. In the tropics... I do the same.

Heat shimmers are the only atmospheric impacts that I have observed in photographs, and short of getting closer to your subject, there is nothing you can do about this.



Oct 31, 2018 at 05:29 AM
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p.64 #12 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


I think my bag process is more for the camera than the lens. Just hate thinking of water condensing inside the body. Lenses IF weather sealed should be resistant....but o-rings/etc. age over time. We all assess and act accordingly


Oct 31, 2018 at 06:27 AM
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p.64 #13 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


@jemini@@@@
I do not have any account to post pictures here, but there are many examples that can be found online. Maybe you were not able to tell even if it is right in front of you.
I have saw promotional pictures used by Nikon for the 500mm PF showing #1, but I couldn't find it a while ago. Maybe they have taken it down. It is a picture of a flock of birds flying at around sunset 🌇 showing this symptom that even they did acknowledge that it can happen in certain conditions.
As for #2, just take a look at the background on p.63 #10. Due to the Fresnel element, it makes pictures look sharp and contrasty which works against it in this case for creamy Bokeh (Edit: Noticed that the picture has been replaced with another similar looking one which does not show as much of a problem on Flickr).
Apologize to the poster MedicineMan404 for using it as an example. As for the bird, it does look sharp and beautiful.

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Oct 31, 2018 at 06:56 AM
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p.64 #14 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


MedicineMan404 wrote:
I don't know names of many bierds, I know this is an Egret but not exactly which one. I do know that it was super super fast zipping down the stream in the Savannah Nat. Wildlife Refuge.

Nikon D500
500.0 mm f/5.6
ƒ/9.0 700.0 mm 1/1600 320

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1923/44917219674_482f04c411_b.jpgSpeedster Three by MedicineMan4040, on Flickr


That there would be a Juvenile Little Blue Heron....



Oct 31, 2018 at 07:07 AM
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p.64 #15 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


bs kite wrote:
First, I think we will all agree that most images that are less than sharp, can be attributed to technique that is less than perfect. I did not say poor technique. After all that is said about gear, it comes down to the quality of technique at the instant the shutter was released.


Without doubt shooting technique influences results; my comments on the 200-500's optical quality are mainly based on results obtained using a tripod (4-series Gitzo systematice with Z1 head), Kirk two-point support, EFCS and cable release, live view AF and a static subject (architectural and landscape subjects). The 200-500 is very good within 200mm and 400mm but outside of the central DX area the zoom becomes noticeably softer whereas the 300 PF holds up better outside of the DX area. At 500mm results are a bit less sharp than at shorter focal lengths, these observations were made in A4 size prints, reflecting my typical use, not some huge magnification.


Second, when I am shooting wildlife subjects with a supertelephoto lenses, I simply don’t care about the resolving power of a lens in its corners.


I use long lenses also for architectural and landscape photography. In wildlife photography, sometimes you have a frame-filling image where the subject's head is near the edge of the frame, or there could be multiple animals some of which are outside of the center area. I'm not suggesting the 200-500's corner sharpness is a major issue but it is an area where primes do better and in some situations it may have an influence on the resulting image quality, depending on subject matter and whether you use FX or DX.

I think overall the 200-500 yields pleasing images and I don't fault it for that, but suggesting that 500mm primes (such as the 500 PF) are worthless because the 200-500 exists, is taking it too far.


Fourth, IMO, the 200-500 *is* sharp at 500mm.


What I require for a lens that I consider acceptably sharp is that I am happy with an A4 size print and don't feel it is a little fuzzy (that's about 4000 pixels along the long dimension). All the tests that I've seen on the 200-500 align with my observations, Lenstip, photographylife, ephotozine, cameralabs etc.

So, it would appear that it is a tad softer at the long end.


So you basically agree.


But then, there is this image, taken at 500mm. Most images that are less than sharp, can be attributed to technique that was less than perfect.


It looks like it's taken in direct sun (or lightly diffused sun). Bright light can help use a fast shutter speed, lower ISO etc. which tend to make it easier to obtain sharp results. However, for me, a lot of the time I'm shooting in dim light, in November and December we may get only a few hours of sunlight in a month, and also I like to photograph animals in the summer evening light which can lead to ISO 6400-25600. These conditions can also lead to moody images rather than the bright, post-card like bright sun. I see regularly good results from the 200-500 in dimmer than bright sun conditions but perhaps not quite as low light as I sometimes shoot in. I cannot buy a 400/2.8 so there has to be some other solution.

With the AF-S 80-400, I had great deal of difficulty obtaining sharp landscape and architectural images on tripod in the wintertime, as it seemed particularly sensitive to wind and shutter shock. I only got really sharp results in very bright light, such as when the sun is out. The 200-500 doesn't have this problem, though, as the mechanical stability of the lens is very good. However, the 80-400 had more punch in terms of contrast and colour saturation when shooting into the light than the 200-500 and the zoom was light and fast to operate. The 200-500 is sharper and doesn't wobble. I would ideally like a lens that combines the best characteristics of both of these two lenses.

To me the 500 PF is appealing because it fits in an acceptable price range for me, and appears to be sharpest wide open (e.g. Lenstip) which makes it easier to work in lower light as one doesn't have to stop down to control the aberrations. Also it is light weight which means one doesn't have to suffer too much in carrying it. However, if there is some compromise with it shooting in harsh winter conditions, I would want to know about it before buying, as some of my best images are shot in temperatures around -20 C.



Oct 31, 2018 at 07:14 AM
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p.64 #16 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


arbitrage wrote:
That there would be a Juvenile Little Blue Heron....


Little Blue Heron!!! How cool! My first!!



Oct 31, 2018 at 07:26 AM
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p.64 #17 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


OwlsEyes wrote:
^I have done none of this... never noticed "thermal expansion..."
I shoot in -30deg F during the winter after leaving a 66 deg home. I pack up the gear after the shoot and just leave it in the bag to reacclimatize. In the tropics... I do the same.

Heat shimmers are the only atmospheric impacts that I have observed in photographs, and short of getting closer to your subject, there is nothing you can do about this.


Exactly.



Oct 31, 2018 at 05:09 PM
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p.64 #18 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


I just wish that there was more around here to experiment with but I did manage a few shots of some deer at the local reserve....I have not micro adjusted the lens yet but it seems pretty good to me.






Eric



Nov 01, 2018 at 11:36 AM
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p.64 #19 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


eyelaser wrote:
I just wish that there was more around here to experiment with but I did manage a few shots of some deer at the local reserve....I have not micro adjusted the lens yet but it seems pretty good to me.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-VSRXgdf/0/86715c82/X3/i-VSRXgdf-X3.jpg

Eric


Eric
You have some layer artifact in the pic.



Nov 01, 2018 at 12:47 PM
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p.64 #20 · "Official" Nikon 500 f/5.6E PF Discussion and Image Thread


My biggest crop yet and one of the longest distances shot. My a9 could not have
gotten this detail (what little there is).
Full size on next page.

Nikon D500
500.0 mm f/5.6
ƒ/8.0 700.0 mm 1/800 500

A big swallow by MedicineMan4040, on Flickr

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