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Archive 2018 · Official: Laowa 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 FE Zoom at 496 grams

  
 
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So UV filter is a must. And NDs will be stackef on it? How many filters can it take then?


Sep 23, 2018 at 09:48 AM
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FWIW- I find the CV 10 sunstars to be amazing.


Sep 23, 2018 at 10:40 AM
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nandadevieast wrote:
So UV filter is a must. And NDs will be stackef on it? How many filters can it take then?


Since the lens is designed with the UV filter as part of the optical system it can just take one filter. If you want to use a ND filter, you have to remove the UV filter first. And you should get a ND filter which has exactly the same thickness as the originial UV filter. If not, this can have an impact on corner sharpness and field curvature.

@Fred: I'm also very interested in your tests, especially wide open corner sharpness, field curvature and coma.

Boris



Sep 23, 2018 at 11:23 AM
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In addition, there will be a huge focus shift.

Bobu wrote:
Since the lens is designed with the UV filter as part of the optical system it can just take one filter. If you want to use a ND filter, you have to remove the UV filter first. And you should get a ND filter which has exactly the same thickness as the originial UV filter. If not, this can have an impact on corner sharpness and field curvature.

@Fred@: I'm also very interested in your tests, especially wide open corner sharpness, field curvature and coma.

Boris





Sep 23, 2018 at 12:48 PM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
<table border="0" align="right" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="2"><tr><td><a href="https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1541118"><img border=0 src="https://www.fredmiranda.com/Buzz/Screen Shot 2018-04-20 at 7.28.15 AM copy.png" width="175" height="172" alt="Official: Laowa 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 FE Zoom at 496 grams" title="Official: Laowa 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 FE Zoom at 496 grams"></a></td></tr></table>Venus Optics officially announced two new lenses today: Laowa 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 FE Zoom and Laowa 100mm f/2.8 2X Ultra Macro APO (SLR lens that can be adapted for the E-mount)

Laowa 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 FE Zoom
This lens is currently the widest zoom lens available for Sony full frame E-mount cameras. Designed primarily for travel photography, Venus optics have managed to compress the size to smallest in its class,
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FRED, above latter date is erroneous



Sep 23, 2018 at 12:53 PM
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garydavidjones wrote:
FRED, above latter date is erroneous


Yes, that was their prior schedule which changed because of delays. I've updated it. Thanks!
Both lenses will be featured at Photokina 2018.



Sep 23, 2018 at 12:58 PM
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Update: I've tested the Laowa 10-18mm at infinity distance and the zoom didn't do well. However, my copy is decentered and I can't be sure if it's how the lens performs or if my copy is subpar.
There is significant lateral CA and astigmatism towards the corners and in comparison, my CV 12 and CV 15 lenses perform noticeably better at infinity. (center, mid and especially corners)
Laowa is currently busy at Photokina and I will wait for them to send me another copy before posting samples. Thanks for your patience.



Sep 24, 2018 at 11:37 AM
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Cheers Fred
I would have thought they would have tested it before sending to you, knowing you would be testing it and publishing results in a popular Sony forum.

Not good signs 🙁



Sep 24, 2018 at 12:44 PM
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johnahill wrote:
Cheers Fred
I would have thought they would have tested it before sending to you, knowing you would be testing it and publishing results in a popular Sony forum.

Not good signs 🙁


This happens with all lenses though. If I don't have a good copy, I prefer not posting anything. Having said that, I don't believe the 10-18mm will have high resolution, especially when compared to primes on its range.



Sep 24, 2018 at 12:47 PM
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Was hoping it would be an answer to the ultra wide with filters question, might just stick with cv12 and the stacking method you mentioned in another thread


Sep 24, 2018 at 01:52 PM
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johnahill wrote:
Was hoping it would be an answer to the ultra wide with filters question, might just stick with cv12 and the stacking method you mentioned in another thread


The CV 12/5.6 is my only lens that can't take the Seven5 system. So, I usually take about 16-36 consecutive images and 'mean' average them in post when mimicking the ND effect.



Sep 24, 2018 at 01:55 PM
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Looks like Mike may be correct after all.


Sep 24, 2018 at 03:01 PM
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Here is how the aperture shape looks at f/5.6....it's weird (pentagon) but it yield nice 10-point sunstars.







Sep 24, 2018 at 03:04 PM
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Here is how the aperture shape looks at f/5.6....it's weird (pentagon) ...


Ha! The Rollei SL66 lenses had five-blade apertures. Gave some rather unusual OOF highlights...





Rollei SL66 80mm adapted to Sony




Sep 24, 2018 at 03:44 PM
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So, stupid question, but since this lens doesn't talk to the camera at all I guess I can't use IBIS unless I set it to some average focal length? Really not smart to leave out the electronics on a lens like this in my opinion.


Sep 27, 2018 at 09:49 AM
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I have a pre production lens for testing and you will find the revenue here at sonyalpharumors

find the test images here in my flickr album in 4k resolution

and more images in full 42 MPixel resolution

I compared the Laowa 10-18 with

Voigtlander Heliar-Hyper Wide 10mm f/5.6 Aspherical
Voigtlander (elder version) Ultra Wide-Heliar 12mm M mount with Novoflex adapter
Leica TRI-ELMAR-M at 16 and 18mm with Novoflex adapter
Sony 16-35 Vario-Tessar FE at 16 and 18mm

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1951/43115390340_67b74640df_b.jpg
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dierktopp/43115390340/in/album-72157671677687247/


regards
dierk

Edited on Oct 03, 2018 at 02:06 AM · View previous versions



Oct 02, 2018 at 01:10 PM
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Laowa 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 FE Zoom @ 10mm prototype on Sony A7R 720nm infrared

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1964/44985536562_7ae7931530_b.jpg


with infrared I don't see a problem with hot spot
but the infinity focus is not possible. At f/11 the results are very acceptable. It is the same problem with the Voigtlander Heliar-Hyper Wide 10mm f/5.6 Aspherical.



Oct 02, 2018 at 01:43 PM
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flare test shots

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1934/44927698981_06aa423d65_b.jpg


on this one it is ok. for me
https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1925/44252331184_2e8734fff6_b.jpg


but with the sun from any side you may get heavy and unwanted flares
https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1976/44877527622_9713560e11_b.jpg


looking from the side you - and the sun - can see the front lens!
picture at the bottom left side
https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1903/29990781087_df5fe65ccd_b.jpg



Oct 02, 2018 at 02:17 PM
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p.14 #19 · Official: Laowa 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 FE Zoom at 496 grams


architecture
playing with close foreground may result in very interesting images

the shadow at a distance of less than 50cm
https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1968/44015119285_2b39b75fe0_b.jpg


and the cakes at minimum distance of about 6cm from the front lens
https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1926/44207426984_840ddab8db_b.jpg

but with 10mm the closer you get to the edges you get severe geometrical distortions like the left plate



Oct 02, 2018 at 02:31 PM
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p.14 #20 · Official: Laowa 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 FE Zoom at 496 grams


Have you tested the CV10mm?

I know it has the same distortion, just wondering how it compares to the 10-18 Laowa



Oct 02, 2018 at 02:54 PM
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