Archive 2018 · Pre-order: Voigtlander 110/2.5 Macro APO for $1,099
p.35 #1Pre-order: Voigtlander 110/2.5 Macro APO for $1,099
Fred Miranda wrote:
It seems one can't go wrong with any of the CV 65/2, CV 110/2.5 or the Batis 135/2.8.I consider the 65/2 a different FL but CV 110 vs Batis 135....well..
The Batis has AF but the Voigtlander has yammy mechanical MF and can do 1:1 Macro. Both are superb APO lenses. Perhaps lenses for different applications.
I prefer the Voigtlander colors though. I didn't really test OOF rendering but they should yield about the same blur quantity.Yea its going to come down to what you need here. I need the AF and i rarely shoot macro work so for me the Batis 135 makes sense plus im not going to lose my shirt on selling it. I paid full price, if anything the Sigma 105 has more my interest.
Not sure i could get along with just 3 AF lenses for paid work 24,50,105. Thats a little skimpyI can see a lot of folks going: 21/40/110...Perfect trio spacing going from super wide to telephoto...but as you wrote, may not be ideal for paid work depending on the job.
This is what I'm doing - Laowa 15/2, Loxia 21/2.8, CV 40/1.2, CV 110/2.5. Nice gapping and premium IQ.
I kept the CV 65/2 as it makes a really nice 2 lens set (with macro) paired with the Sony 24 GM.
Sold my Loxia 25 and Loxia 85, and I don't think that I'll miss either one :-)
Edited on Dec 06, 2018 at 02:07 PM · View previous versions
GMPhotography wrote
Fred Miranda wrote
bjornthun wrote
Looks really great, Fred.It seems one can't go wrong with any of the CV 65/2, CV 110/2.5 or the Batis 135/2.8.
The Batis has AF but the Voigtlander has yammy mechanical MF and can do 1:1 Macro. Both are superb APO lenses. Perhaps lenses for different applications.
I prefer the Voigtlander colors though. I didn't really test OOF rendering but they should yield about the same blur quantity.
Not sure i could get along with just 3 AF lenses for paid work 24,50,105. Thats a little skimpy
This is what I'm doing - Laowa 15/2, Loxia 21/2.8, CV 40/1.2, CV 110/2.5. Nice gapping and premium IQ.
I kept the CV 65/2 as it makes a really nice 2 lens set (with macro) paired with the Sony 24 GM.
Sold my Loxia 25 and Loxia 85, and I don't think that I'll miss either one :-)
Edited on Dec 06, 2018 at 02:07 PM · View previous versions
Dec 06, 2018 at 02:06 PM
p.35 #2Pre-order: Voigtlander 110/2.5 Macro APO for $1,099
Lens-aholics! I didnt know this was a collector's forum lol
(actually that was evident pretty early)
(actually that was evident pretty early)
Dec 06, 2018 at 02:06 PM
p.35 #3Pre-order: Voigtlander 110/2.5 Macro APO for $1,099
This is what happens when it's raining all day and I get bored... 
Which image do you like best and why?
Which image do you like best and why?
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Dec 06, 2018 at 03:58 PM
p.35 #4Pre-order: Voigtlander 110/2.5 Macro APO for $1,099
Fred Miranda wrote:
This is what happens when it's raining all day and I get bored...
Which image do you like best and why?
off the top of my head the color seems better or more pop in the bottom on when you look at the blue and the buttons and headband and the bokeh balls look better.
The upper photo the santa blur is more pleasing
This is what happens when it's raining all day and I get bored...
Which image do you like best and why?
off the top of my head the color seems better or more pop in the bottom on when you look at the blue and the buttons and headband and the bokeh balls look better.
The upper photo the santa blur is more pleasing
Dec 06, 2018 at 04:02 PM
p.35 #5Pre-order: Voigtlander 110/2.5 Macro APO for $1,099
Fred Miranda wrote:
This is what happens when it's raining all day and I get bored...
Which image do you like best and why?
Honestly, can't say which one I like better. The bottom picture has higher contrast so probably that is the Batis
This is what happens when it's raining all day and I get bored...
Which image do you like best and why?
Honestly, can't say which one I like better. The bottom picture has higher contrast so probably that is the Batis
Dec 06, 2018 at 04:03 PM
p.35 #6Pre-order: Voigtlander 110/2.5 Macro APO for $1,099
From my calculations the amount of blur between CV 110 @f/2.5 should be somewhat similar to the Batis 135 @f/2.8 if the pictures are taken at the same distance and the 110 is cropped to 135 to match the FOV.
Here is the math:
135 divided by 110 = 1.227x
f/2.5 multiplied to 1.227 = f/3.07 which is a bit narrower than f/2.8. (A third of stop from f/2.8 is f/3.2)
My point is that if I shoot with the 110/2.5 at the same distance as the Batis and crop the 110 to match the 135's FOV, their amount of blur should be similar but the Batis will yield a bit more blur. (f/2.8 vs f/3.1)
On the images above, the CV 110 is at the bottom. It does have slightly higher contrast and more pleasant colors compared to the Batis but the latter seems to have slightly more blur....
Just as I wrote, it's raining...
Here is the math:
135 divided by 110 = 1.227x
f/2.5 multiplied to 1.227 = f/3.07 which is a bit narrower than f/2.8. (A third of stop from f/2.8 is f/3.2)
My point is that if I shoot with the 110/2.5 at the same distance as the Batis and crop the 110 to match the 135's FOV, their amount of blur should be similar but the Batis will yield a bit more blur. (f/2.8 vs f/3.1)
On the images above, the CV 110 is at the bottom. It does have slightly higher contrast and more pleasant colors compared to the Batis but the latter seems to have slightly more blur....
Just as I wrote, it's raining...
Dec 06, 2018 at 04:23 PM
p.35 #7Pre-order: Voigtlander 110/2.5 Macro APO for $1,099
Fred Miranda,
"Which image do you like best and why?"
Good grief, they're insanely close. I'd honestly be happy with either of them. I'm going to guess that this is a comparison between the Batis 135mm and the CV 110mm. I don't know which is which, and the differences are minute. I'm going to guess that the bottom shot is the CV due to the slight difference in perspective.
Edit: I posted this seconds after you posted the answer... I swear!
"Which image do you like best and why?"
Good grief, they're insanely close. I'd honestly be happy with either of them. I'm going to guess that this is a comparison between the Batis 135mm and the CV 110mm. I don't know which is which, and the differences are minute. I'm going to guess that the bottom shot is the CV due to the slight difference in perspective.
Edit: I posted this seconds after you posted the answer... I swear!
Dec 06, 2018 at 04:24 PM
p.35 #8Pre-order: Voigtlander 110/2.5 Macro APO for $1,099
DavidBudo wrote:
Fred Miranda,
"Which image do you like best and why?"
Good grief, they're insanely close. I'd honestly be happy with either of them. I'm going to guess that this is a comparison between the Batis 135mm and the CV 110mm. I don't know which is which, and the differences are minute. I'm going to guess that the bottom shot is the CV due to the slight difference in perspective.
You were right and here is the difference in FOV:
Fred Miranda,
"Which image do you like best and why?"
Good grief, they're insanely close. I'd honestly be happy with either of them. I'm going to guess that this is a comparison between the Batis 135mm and the CV 110mm. I don't know which is which, and the differences are minute. I'm going to guess that the bottom shot is the CV due to the slight difference in perspective.
You were right and here is the difference in FOV:
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Dec 06, 2018 at 04:25 PM
p.35 #9Pre-order: Voigtlander 110/2.5 Macro APO for $1,099
Fred Miranda,
"You were right and here is the difference in FOV:"
Wow! That's crazy how close these two are. I'll be very happy when I get mine. I hope there isn't much variability between copies. I guess we'll find out very soon.
"You were right and here is the difference in FOV:"
Wow! That's crazy how close these two are. I'll be very happy when I get mine. I hope there isn't much variability between copies. I guess we'll find out very soon.
Dec 06, 2018 at 04:27 PM
p.35 #10Pre-order: Voigtlander 110/2.5 Macro APO for $1,099
Here is another one. Which is which?
To me the giveaway is the contrast level which affects color as well. The 110 reminds me of the 135/2 APO when I compared it against the Batis.
To me the giveaway is the contrast level which affects color as well. The 110 reminds me of the 135/2 APO when I compared it against the Batis.
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Dec 06, 2018 at 04:33 PM
p.35 #11Pre-order: Voigtlander 110/2.5 Macro APO for $1,099
I am curious what you guys are using this lens for primarily, macro? landscape? portraits? I know most would prefer MF for macro, but I take pictures of flowers/leaves stuff with the Sony 90 G, mostly hand hold, in my case I think the AF-C would be more accurate than a MF only lens, with the subjects moving in the wind and shaky hands. No?
Dec 06, 2018 at 04:35 PM
p.35 #12Pre-order: Voigtlander 110/2.5 Macro APO for $1,099
Fred Miranda wrote:
Here is another one. Which is which?
To me the giveaway is the contrast level which affects color as well. The 110 reminds me of the 135/2 APO when I compared it against the Batis.
Second one is the Voigt? right? right? they are very close but I think I am liking it a tad more, no offence to Guy
Here is another one. Which is which?
To me the giveaway is the contrast level which affects color as well. The 110 reminds me of the 135/2 APO when I compared it against the Batis.
Second one is the Voigt? right? right? they are very close but I think I am liking it a tad more, no offence to Guy
Dec 06, 2018 at 04:46 PM
p.35 #13Pre-order: Voigtlander 110/2.5 Macro APO for $1,099
sauravdg wrote:
To me the giveaway is the contrast level which affects color as well. The 110 reminds me of the 135/2 APO when I compared it against the Batis.Second one is the Voigt? right? right? they are very close but I think I am liking it a tad more, no offence to Guy
Yes, the Voigt has a bit more bite.
Fred Miranda wrote
Here is another one. Which is which?To me the giveaway is the contrast level which affects color as well. The 110 reminds me of the 135/2 APO when I compared it against the Batis.
Yes, the Voigt has a bit more bite.
Dec 06, 2018 at 05:20 PM
p.35 #14Pre-order: Voigtlander 110/2.5 Macro APO for $1,099
Fred Miranda wrote:
This is what happens when it's raining all day and I get bored...
Which image do you like best and why?
Top one has noticeably nicer (I think quality as well as quantity) of bokeh...
Now to see which is which...
This is what happens when it's raining all day and I get bored...
Which image do you like best and why?
Top one has noticeably nicer (I think quality as well as quantity) of bokeh...
Now to see which is which...
Dec 06, 2018 at 05:26 PM
p.35 #15Pre-order: Voigtlander 110/2.5 Macro APO for $1,099
Fred Miranda wrote:
Here is another one. Which is which?
To me the giveaway is the contrast level which affects color as well. The 110 reminds me of the 135/2 APO when I compared it against the Batis.
Again prefer the first one; a smoother look. A touch less saturation perhaps though.
Here is another one. Which is which?
To me the giveaway is the contrast level which affects color as well. The 110 reminds me of the 135/2 APO when I compared it against the Batis.
Again prefer the first one; a smoother look. A touch less saturation perhaps though.
Dec 06, 2018 at 05:28 PM
p.35 #16Pre-order: Voigtlander 110/2.5 Macro APO for $1,099
Okay I sent this to Fred
Here are my thoughts
Travel kit CV 15 for sure
Than either one of these CV21, Loxia 21 or 25 depending on gapping
CV 40
Zeiss 85 ZM or Leica 75 see how that test is
Landscape kit just add the 110
AF kit this is easy. Sony 24,50,85 1.4 and Batis 135
Sell everything else
Or bag the AF 85/135 and get the Sigma 105 but that maybe a stretch
Here are my thoughts
Travel kit CV 15 for sure
Than either one of these CV21, Loxia 21 or 25 depending on gapping
CV 40
Zeiss 85 ZM or Leica 75 see how that test is
Landscape kit just add the 110
AF kit this is easy. Sony 24,50,85 1.4 and Batis 135
Sell everything else
Or bag the AF 85/135 and get the Sigma 105 but that maybe a stretch
Dec 06, 2018 at 05:43 PM
p.35 #17Pre-order: Voigtlander 110/2.5 Macro APO for $1,099
My kit right now is CV 15,21,40 and Leica 75 I don’t see that changing
Sony 24/50 1.4 keepers. Batis 85 and I may turn it into the GM again since the updates it may work for me. Batis 135 I’m not selling
Could I add the 110 well having my longest at 75 in MF than yea it would gap nice. Need a ski mask
Debatable purchase 7artisin 28 could be fun. I may try it
Sony 24/50 1.4 keepers. Batis 85 and I may turn it into the GM again since the updates it may work for me. Batis 135 I’m not selling
Could I add the 110 well having my longest at 75 in MF than yea it would gap nice. Need a ski mask
Debatable purchase 7artisin 28 could be fun. I may try it
Dec 06, 2018 at 05:46 PM
p.35 #18Pre-order: Voigtlander 110/2.5 Macro APO for $1,099
GMPhotography,
"Here are my thoughts
Travel kit CV 15 for sure."
Would you take this over the Laowa 15mm F2?
"Here are my thoughts
Travel kit CV 15 for sure."
Would you take this over the Laowa 15mm F2?
Dec 06, 2018 at 06:14 PM
p.35 #19Pre-order: Voigtlander 110/2.5 Macro APO for $1,099
Ah man tough call both great lenses. Cv is smaller lighter has nicer sunstars . Great at flare and color contrast are outstanding buts not as fast and if you do Astro not a good choice
The Laowa 15 has better distortion , it’s a F2 and very sharp even at 2.8 across the frame. But it’s bigger
Trade offs either way
Cv has more copy variation but so does Laowa just not as bad. It’s what you need choice. I want small
The Laowa 15 has better distortion , it’s a F2 and very sharp even at 2.8 across the frame. But it’s bigger
Trade offs either way
Cv has more copy variation but so does Laowa just not as bad. It’s what you need choice. I want small
Dec 06, 2018 at 06:24 PM
p.35 #20Pre-order: Voigtlander 110/2.5 Macro APO for $1,099
I'm not loving what I see from the 110's non-macro bokeh a whole lot. The B135 bokeh looks better to me (not just more OFF). I am not a fan of swirly bokeh. I also see some slight edge defining/double lining, and the OOF highlights aren't very nice (I like the Batis better). I will use the 110 for macro and landscape, so not a deal breaker for me, but I'm not impressed by the bokeh at normal distances from the samples. I know its very subjective, but I will gladly use my Olympus OM 100/2 when I want good bokeh at normal distances. And it's plenty sharp wide open at 42mp. if it did macro I wouldn't even be talkin'
Dec 06, 2018 at 07:10 PM