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 p.22 #6 · Pre-order: Voigtlander 110/2.5 Macro APO for $1,099 | |
smpetty wrote:
This site is really helpful to me when I think about gapping strategies and which lenses to carry. The 55/1.8 is an awesome, small, sharp lens but it's relatively close in FOV to the CV 110. In a 3 lens kit, that would leave a really large gap from the 21 to the 55. I would strongly recommend that you consider a 40mm prime, the CV 40/1.2. It is an incredibly good lens, beautiful rendering, small, built like a tank, and reasonably priced. It's a very popular lens on the Sony forum for a lot of reasons. It would gap nicely with your Loxia and the CV 110. My current landscape/hiking kit is Laowa 15/2, Loxia 21/2.8, CV 40/1.2, and the CV 65/2. The 65 is too close to the 40, but I do a lot of macro when hiking and the 65 is a wonderful 1:2 macro. I'll probably replace the 65/2 with the CV 110 (I pre-ordered), which would gap perfectly and would give me full 1:1 macro to boot.
Many macro telephoto lenses such as the Sony 90 and the CV 65 make great landscape and portrait lenses to boot. Many people, myself included, hike/backpack with a light compact telephoto. Some (see Viramati's images) carry the 70-300 and get great results. ...Show more →
Thanks for the URL! I put in 21, 55, 110 and I see what you mean. I have swung by the CV 40/1.2 thread and I am in awe of the quality pictures that lens and it's users produce. I am thinking I should grab some tele lenses (short/macro, zoom) and an AF lens before adding to to my one and only native manual wide lens (the Loxia 21). I have a manual adapter for my parents' Nikon DX kit lenses (18-55, 70-200) and a nifty fifty (which luckily happens to be FX), but 0 AF lenses for my A7RII right now and that feels weird. I'd like to shoot some dinner parties and take a break from manual focusing once in a while (feel like a criminal saying that around here).
I like the idea of hiking with a tele lens because some weight resistance is always good, but I guess because I am building out my lens kit, I am overemphasizing the importance of picking up a short / macro tele or a zoom tele first. I actually ran into Viramati's images recently from a DPReview search about the 70-300 and that or an 85mm is what I would get over the macros 90/100/110mm f.2.8./2/2.5s if anything. I have enjoyed using my adapted tele zoom, but I am definitely a wide shot whore so I want to improve here. Although, I was never a macro guy, but there are some absolutely emotion evoking macros out there I have seem from the CV 65, Makro-Planar 100/2, Sony 90/2.8. I guess the decision is about macro vs. traditional/"proper" landscape photography.
By the way, how to you like having both the Laowa 15mm and the Loxia 21mm? As someone coming from the APSC 10-18mm and FE 16-35, I am definitely missing my ultra wide already, but I also think I leaned on it as a crutch to make an interesting shot. Also, I have been trying out astrophotography a couple of times, and the faster the better!
liftedspirit wrote:
Welcome!
Just an FYI - you're screwed now that you have GAS experience. 
I think the 110 would be a worthy tele prime option in a 3 prime setup, and I think the 55 would complement the 21 and 110. However, you may find, like me, that you want something between the 21 and 55. (I have the Loxia 21 and CV 65, and just got the Samyang 35) There aren't many times for me where I need longer than 65 since I'm often in forests in the mountains, but in more open spaces, or above tree line, a longer lens is often desirable. I think the 110 or a 135 would be ideal if I wanted to carry the additional weight.
So yes, the 110 (or 85) would be a nice landscape lens - particularly for shooting abstracts at longer distances.
I use my CV 65 macro lens more often in a non-macro, landscape image, but it's fabulous for macro as well.
I don't carry my 24-105 typically. Sometimes I'll carry my 100-400 if I know wildlife worth photographing is likely in my hike, but typically it's too heavy for me and not worth the additional weight for a landscape shot or two.
One final point - you mention backpacking, which I'm assuming you mean backpacking where you're carrying everything for a few days in your pack? (plus camera gear) If so, you may want to explore a good, all purpose zoom to save weight. You're going to have enough weight in your pack with tent, sleeping bag, clothes, food, etc....Show more →
Thanks for the welcome 
Between reasonable renting prices, buying and selling used, and such a wide variety of lens options and characteristics available, I think this is a great way to traverse the hobby materialistically as well as creatively. Or at least I hope...
You can tell me again about saving weight on camera gear! I recently went on my first trip the weight of the pack was a bit rough not gonna lie. But I found it to be such a wonderful wonderful time to be taking pictures that I might want to try to continue lugging some photo gear along with other stuff.
I like the idea of an all-purpose zoom for travel, but given that I might be liking astrophotography and my bread and butter are wide angle shots, it also makes sense to carry a dedicated, fast, UWA lens. But given that the weight of the 24-105 is less than the CV 110 and Sony 70-300, it is a great option if price wasn't a factor. It would really complement my Loxia 21, especially for when I travel or want to take pictures at events, where a manual macro or tele zoom wouldn't be as useful. I don't like the idea of paying full price for it though - not too many options in the used market yet. I feel like I would be ready for the CV 110 though, given how they are on a roll right now. Very interesting. but expensive option though.
Have you ever backpacked with your 100-400?
DavidBM wrote:
Glad you find the blog site dangerous as well...
But what exactly do you mean by backpacking?
If you mean over a day, choose as you will.
But if you mean carrying days worth of food, shelter and warmth, then the 110 would be too heavy for my taste.
I’d pick very few lenses. I count every gram on long trips.
The L21 is a good choice, even if not super light.
For a tele I’d do ZM 85 or even a modded Zeiss G90 which is lighter still.
If I wanted macro and a focal length in between, the Sony 2.8/50 macro is super lightweight, and very sharp from macro to infinity. Also inexpensive.
For general use there are better optics than these; but surprisingly not massively better, and the weight to results ratio is hard to beat...
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Yes, multiple days. That's the main reason I swapped from a Sony 16-35 f4 to Loxia 21. I want to carry one extra lens to change it up though. The 85mm length is a very interesting one, with the Sony f1.8 and Loxia 2.4 as great options. At ~600 grams though, I might be okay with another 170g for 1:1 macro capabilities if how I am seeing it. What do you think of that trade off?
The Sony 50/2.8 is a very interesting option! It seems to compromise both a fast AF ~50 and as a macro (50 seems short, but what do I know) though.
bjornthun wrote:
The Sony FE 85/1.8 weighs 371 grams. Another combination is the Sony A-mount 85/2.8 + LA-EA3 which weighs 340 grams in total. Of these two the Sony 85/1.8 is heavier by only 31 grams, but it's native and no adapter is required.
Samyang has introduced a 24/2.8 which weighs 93 grams. In addition Cosina has a 21/3.5 on their roadmap, and it will be smaller than the Loxia 21.
A possible combination of native FE lenses is Samyang 24/2.8 + Sony 50/2.8 + Sony 85/1.8
Weight 93 grams + 236 grams + 371 grams = 700 grams
That's insane.That's LESS than a single CV 110...I just saw a Sony 50/2.8 and Sony 85/1.8 be bought off eBay for a combined price of $850 too...No sunstars in that combo though 
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. Have you been told by your reseller that it will be in mi-August or you've simply used basic maths and made an average of 1 to 31 ? (I recall "in August")... Just curious.