So is anyone planning on using the new FE 24-105mm f/4 G along side the FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM?
About a month back I found a trade and gave up my FE 24-70 f/4 for a lightly used FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM. I had purchased that lens when it first came out but decided it was too heavy for the A7RII I was using at the time and I also wasn't using my Sony bodies for any event work.
These days, with the A9 and A7RIII I own, and use both with grips, I found the f/2.8 GM better balanced and certainly the better event lens so I made the trade up.
That said I am wondering if its worth also getting the 24-105mm f/4 G for walking around type use. Had this same dilemma back when I shot Canon and I did own both their 24-105 and their 24-70 at the same time for quite awhile. To me the two lenses have really different intended usages so I while they directly compete on focal length the two do not compete much on usage.
Now I do have smaller Batis 25/2, Sony Zeiss 55/1.8 and Batis 85/1.8 that work in this focal range I often would like to have one lens to take for walking around and this 24-105 appears it may be this G lens. Am a crazy for considering this?
I have Nikon using 24-105 A and 24-70f2.8G, and Sony A mount using 24-70f2.8ZA and older 24-105. It is very tempting to have this 24-105F4 for FE mount...however, given similar price as the 24-70f2.8GM...I prefer the later.
Isn’t there a $900 difference? Here in the US there is.
-Tim
Mark K wrote:
I have Nikon using 24-105 A and 24-70f2.8G, and Sony A mount using 24-70f2.8ZA and older 24-105. It is very tempting to have this 24-105F4 for FE mount...however, given similar price as the 24-70f2.8GM...I prefer the later.
swldstn wrote:
So is anyone planning on using the new FE 24-105mm f/4 G along side the FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM?
About a month back I found a trade and gave up my FE 24-70 f/4 for a lightly used FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM. I had purchased that lens when it first came out but decided it was too heavy for the A7RII I was using at the time and I also wasn't using my Sony bodies for any event work.
These days, with the A9 and A7RIII I own, and use both with grips, I found the f/2.8 GM better balanced and certainly the better event lens so I made the trade up.
That said I am wondering if its worth also getting the 24-105mm f/4 G for walking around type use. Had this same dilemma back when I shot Canon and I did own both their 24-105 and their 24-70 at the same time for quite awhile. To me the two lenses have really different intended usages so I while they directly compete on focal length the two do not compete much on usage.
Now I do have smaller Batis 25/2, Sony Zeiss 55/1.8 and Batis 85/1.8 that work in this focal range I often would like to have one lens to take for walking around and this 24-105 appears it may be this G lens. Am a crazy for considering this?
You'll always have to consider the extra stop you get with the 24-70 but I think we may discover that the 24-105 overall IQ isn't too far off from the GM which is probably the other main reason many people choose 24-70 lenses over 24-105 and 24-120 lenses.
swldstn wrote:
So is anyone planning on using the new FE 24-105mm f/4 G along side the FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM?
About a month back I found a trade and gave up my FE 24-70 f/4 for a lightly used FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM. I had purchased that lens when it first came out but decided it was too heavy for the A7RII I was using at the time and I also wasn't using my Sony bodies for any event work.
These days, with the A9 and A7RIII I own, and use both with grips, I found the f/2.8 GM better balanced and certainly the better event lens so I made the trade up.
That said I am wondering if its worth also getting the 24-105mm f/4 G for walking around type use. Had this same dilemma back when I shot Canon and I did own both their 24-105 and their 24-70 at the same time for quite awhile. To me the two lenses have really different intended usages so I while they directly compete on focal length the two do not compete much on usage.
Now I do have smaller Batis 25/2, Sony Zeiss 55/1.8 and Batis 85/1.8 that work in this focal range I often would like to have one lens to take for walking around and this 24-105 appears it may be this G lens. Am a crazy for considering this?
Steve -- That sounds like a good plan. As a bonus, from the results being posted, you may find the 24-105 a good event lens since it has outstanding IQ wide open to 5.6, with little improvement at smaller apertures. I always used a Canon 24-70/2.8L or 24-105/4L between f/4-5.6 for posed people and small groups. So it might be a pleasant surprise for you when you don't need f/2.8.
It’s why I bought the lens very good wide open for event work. F4 is tough if it’s not good to F8 but I can get enough DOF at 5.6 which this lens will excellence at with portable flash. The real big problem is these small group type shot with 3 to 5 people in them milling around talking. I do a ton of these grip and grin crap so I need 5.6 and good at it. This lens will kill it tgere
I've received another copy of 24-105 F4. It is much better than the first one, but there is something wrong with it. I've tested all focal lenghts on F4 and F8. On every single shot on all focal lenghts there is always the same situation:
Center is much sharper on F4 than on F8, corners are sharper on F8.
100 % crops
24 center
24 corner
35 center
35 corner
50 center
50 corner
70 center
70 corner
87 center
87 corner
105 center
105 corner
My procedure test looks like this:
a) tripod
b) 2s self timer
c) achieve best focus on f4, then switch aperture to f8 without using focus
Now there is one other thing: When I'm on F8 I can achieve better center sharpnes when I slightly pull focus ring but then my corners looks much softer than on F4 :/
Should I try 3rd copy of this lens or is this normal ?
I’m going to try some more testing later today based on comments earlier in this thread and over at dpreview...
Will try in AF-C to see if it focuses stopped down and if that takes care of the issue...
Will try toggling preview feature on/off to see if that makes a difference
If I could focus manually at my selected aperture, or if I could set AF-S to focus at working aperture, I wouldn’t worry much about this - just a hassle in the lens design that can be worked around. But a quick glance at my aperture with this lens suggests it meters stopped down at working aperture, but then goes back to wide open to acquire focus (in AF-S, haven’t check to see what AF-C behavior is) before stopping back down for the exposure. I’m not aware of a setting to change this AF behavior in the menus.
I am testing on an A7RIII with latest firmware, I don’t have another sony body at the moment to test. Not sure if these results are specific to camera body/firmware combo, so perhaps everyone can share what they are testing on to try to isolate.
This does look like the copy-variation focus shift issue that I and two others here at FM have on our copies. If confirmed this would add two more FM samples to the pile, bringing the total to 5.
darrellc wrote:
I am testing on an A7RIII with latest firmware, I don’t have another sony body at the moment to test. Not sure if these results are specific to camera body/firmware combo, so perhaps everyone can share what they are testing on to try to isolate.
The easiest way to see if it's focus shift is by focusing with AF-S @ f/4 (or manually focusing), then in MF mode switch to f/8 and take the same photo.
As You can see my second copy of this lens is almost the same at 24 and 105 @F4 and F8. The biggest difference is on 35, 50 and 70 - 80. My first copy was tragic on all of the focal lengts, so this is better :P
So it seems I will return it and wait for the 3rd copy. Maybe this time it will be better.
damiroz wrote:
I've received another copy of 24-105 F4. It is much better than the first one, but there is something wrong with it. I've tested all focal lenghts on F4 and F8. On every single shot on all focal lenghts there is always the same situation:
Center is much sharper on F4 than on F8, corners are sharper on F8.
My procedure test looks like this:
a) tripod
b) 2s self timer
c) achieve best focus on f4, then switch aperture to f8 without using focus
Now there is one other thing: When I'm on F8 I can achieve better center sharpnes when I slightly pull focus ring but then my corners looks much softer than on F4 :/
Should I try 3rd copy of this lens or is this normal ?...Show more →
Mine does not behave like your copy. What is true is that at the shorter FL and f5.6 max. performance will be reached, whereas at 105 mm it is at f8. But still, the corners are never sharper than the center, Stephan
Stevvi wrote:
Mine does not behave like your copy. What is true is that at the shorter FL and f5.6 max. performance will be reached, whereas at 105 mm it is at f8. But still, the corners are never sharper than the center, Stephan
Stevvi wrote:
Mine does not behave like your copy. What is true is that at the shorter FL and f5.6 max. performance will be reached, whereas at 105 mm it is at f8. But still, the corners are never sharper than the center, Stephan
Thanks for reply. Mine on F4 - F 5.6 looks good. Beyond that is crap in the center. Can You show some example on 50 mm F4 and F8 ?
