GMPhotography wrote:
It actually came from Lensrentals Soooooooo given they love me maybe I can buy it.
Sure hate playing the lottery. But I’m sure they keep these separate from the real rental house. Ill just have to play the lottery. Yuk
Yes, LR has an agreement with Sony to provide that service for them. I got a loaner of a different lens that way. It was a "golden" copy but clearly they specified that it is not for purchase unlike others lenses that are in their rental pool. I had to return that lens and ended up buying it and my copy of that lens was as good as the loaner. No need to worry, Guy!
BTW, I received my copy of the 24-105mm and it is a superb copy. Except for a single lens in the early days of FE mount, some 4 years ago, all my Sony FE lenses so far are just peachy . Knock, knock, knock.
GMPhotography wrote:
Yea I have not heard of issues yet on this one. Maybe it’s the cousin of the freaky 12-24
I do think I’m going to buy one at least that’s my intention. It solves a few issues for me
The 12-24 isn't without QA problems. While the 12-16 end of the lens seems to be fairly stable users have reported a lot of variation from the 16-24 end.
I can't think of a Sony zoom lens that hasn't had QA problems. The great copies are everything they should be but they seem to be far and few in between. Maybe things have changed for the 24 - 105. If they have, I might even buy one.
Well I did receive my FE 24-105 G lens today from B&H. UPS delivered it in the middle of a pretty big Nor'easter today with the snow coming down hard and lots of wind gusts over 40 miles per hour. The UPS driver said the only time they won't try to deliver a package is when the Governor closes the State highways.
Once it thaws out here I'll run some testing with this against my very good copy of the 24-70 GM. My first impressions are very positive; it is a nice size and balances well on the A7R3 & A7R2. Build quality seems excellent and the zoom rotates smoothly. You can easily tell the difference in weight compared to the GM and it is a bit shorter in length. AF seems very responsive even in poor indoor lighting and compares favorably to the GM in the same low light conditions.
pdmphoto wrote:
The 12-24 isn't without QA problems. While the 12-16 end of the lens seems to be fairly stable users have reported a lot of variation from the 16-24 end.
I can't think of a Sony zoom lens that hasn't had QA problems. The great copies are everything they should be but they seem to be far and few in between. Maybe things have changed for the 24 - 105. If they have, I might even buy one.
I will report how good my copy is when getting it on Monday.
pdmphoto wrote:
The 12-24 isn't without QA problems. While the 12-16 end of the lens seems to be fairly stable users have reported a lot of variation from the 16-24 end.
I can't think of a Sony zoom lens that hasn't had QA problems. The great copies are everything they should be but they seem to be far and few in between. Maybe things have changed for the 24 - 105. If they have, I might even buy one.
My one and only copy was a Golden copy from 12-21. 24 it was good but not excellent. I don’t expect zooms to be great at either end of the range
Scho wrote:
My copy arrived yesterday, but I won't get a chance to go out with it until this deep freeze departs. Wind chill today is -20 to -30.
I used to live in Alaska. Been in minus 55 with no wind and minus 30 with 40 to 50 MPH winds. You get used to it. I used to go out photographing all the time.
jamato8 wrote:
I used to live in Alaska. Been in minus 55 with no wind and minus 30 with 40 to 50 MPH winds. You get used to it. I used to go out photographing all the time.
I used to do that also when I was younger and did field work in the Adirondack Mtns, but now I don't tolerate bitter cold very well and neither do my digital cameras.
I know it would not be an equal comparison but how does this lens compare to the 24-70mm GM for stopped down landscape work? I have typically used a WA zoom, a few fast primes, and then say a 70-200mm of some sort. I mid range zoom would be handy....
Gary Clennan wrote:
I know it would not be an equal comparison but how does this lens compare to the 24-70mm GM for stopped down landscape work? I have typically used a WA zoom, a few fast primes, and then say a 70-200mm of some sort. I mid range zoom would be handy....
Gary, I received mine yesterday. I see the 24-105mm lens more as an all-around travel lens in combo with the 12-24mm. Maybe, a few light-weight but faster primes would round up the kit nicely.
With that said, if stopped down to f/8, I don’t think that there is sufficient difference between this lens and the GM 24-70mm. It is for sure a very competent landscape lens and frankly under real life conditions, I know I would not be able to tell the difference in images taken with the two lenses at f/8. For sure, I wouldn’t but I realize that others not necessarily couldn’t. Again, I put more emphasis on the overal rendering, the quality of light, composition, etc. I care less about a few branches of some trees in one corner are less sharp on one or on the other.
I haven't used either lenses was doing extensive research on how pictures from these lenses look to my eye (mostly on flickr and online reviews).
The pictures from the 24-70GM have an awesome 3D like pop , to my eye, which makes the pictures look so good. Im not refering to sharpness or detail, but how the pictures render.
The 24-105 picture look more 2D ish, flat on the other hand . This is a deal breaker for me. And the 24-70GM is just too big for travel etc.
I'll end up getting the 24-70GM or stick with my 16-35 F4 and get a fast 25mm/35mm prime. Adding to my 85mm 1.4, this is plenty for me.
nash07 wrote:
I haven't used either lenses was doing extensive research on how pictures from these lenses look to my eye (mostly on flickr and online reviews).
The pictures from the 24-70GM have an awesome 3D like pop , to my eye, which makes the pictures look so good. Im not refering to sharpness or detail, but how the pictures render.
The 24-105 picture look more 2D ish, flat on the other hand . This is a deal breaker for me. And the 24-70GM is just too big for travel etc.
I'll end up getting the 24-70GM or stick with my 16-35 F4 and get a fast 25mm/35mm prime. Adding to my 85mm 1.4, this is plenty for me. ...Show more →
While I can see that possibility in different pictures taken under different conditions, under different lighting conditions and of different object or scenery but, no offense, I seioursly doubt that you can tell the difference between two comparison images under the exact same conditions of the same object at f/8 in a blind test.
I think your correct when reviewing one or two or a dozen images. But when you view a large number of photos certain characteristics of the lenses tend to emerge. This is why people buy Zeiss lenses.
AGeoJO wrote:
Gary, I received mine yesterday. I see the 24-105mm lens more as an all-around travel lens in combo with the 12-24mm. Maybe, a few light-weight but faster primes would round up the kit nicely.
With that said, if stopped down to f/8, I don’t think that there is sufficient difference between this lens and the GM 24-70mm. It is for sure a very competent landscape lens and frankly under real life conditions, I know I would not be able to tell the difference in images taken with the two lenses at f/8. For sure, I wouldn’t but I realize that others not necessarily couldn’t. Again, I put more emphasis on the overal rendering, the quality of light, composition, etc. I care less about a few branches of some trees in one corner are less sharp on one or on the other.
The cold condition people might get in touch with the 'Ice Man' Wim Hof. It's quite a system, he offers courses in breathing techniques and temperature control. As it turns out, humans in cold climates were very good at handling the cold through history. Tibetan holy men were into this business 1000 years ago in their meditation caves, often for years at a time. http://www.icemanwimhof.com/innerfire
philip_pj wrote:
The cold condition people might get in touch with the 'Ice Man' Wim Hof. It's quite a system, he offers courses in breathing techniques and temperature control. As it turns out, humans in cold climates were very good at handling the cold through history. Tibetan holy men were into this business 1000 years ago in their meditation caves, often for years at a time. http://www.icemanwimhof.com/innerfire
When I lived in Alaska, anything (after a while) above 20 below got too warm and anything just below freezing was hot.
living in florida and having the day off today I tested this lens against various sony/ Minolta lenses that I own that are all good copies and historically sharp lenses. At the same focal lengths and apatures the 24-105 was sharper than the sony a mount 70-400, the Minolta 80-200 f2.8 g lens and the sony a mount 28-75 f 2.8. The only lens that bested the 24-105 in sharpness was my Minolta 85 1.4 g lens. Probably my favorite lens of all time and this was a really good copy at that. I ran tests at f4, f5.6 and f8. whats really nice about the fe lens is that its really sharp wide open and there isn't much of a difference between f4 and f8.. I also must say I am rather pleased with the bokeh at 105 mm. Very smooth.
. Knock, knock, knock.
. This is a deal breaker for me. And the 24-70GM is just too big for travel etc.