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Archive 2017 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!

  
 
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p.74 #1 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!


i would expect watson to soon make plates available for this battery for their duo charger, if not whomever buys my r2 gets a lot of batteries and 3 double chargers along with it. just ordered one from amazon because if i am lucky and i can get an r3 next week in ny, i will need it in disney the following week.


Nov 24, 2017 at 10:43 AM
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p.74 #2 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!


Thanks to Matt Grum I now have complete Photographic Dynamic Range (PDR) published at PhotonsToPhotos
Slight improvement over the A7RM2 as expected below ISO 400



Nov 24, 2017 at 10:58 AM
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p.74 #3 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!


bclaff_too wrote:
Thanks to Matt Grum I now have complete Photographic Dynamic Range (PDR) published at PhotonsToPhotos
Slight improvement over the A7RM2 as expected below ISO 400


Thanks! It would be very interesting to see whether there are any changes when using ES.



Nov 24, 2017 at 11:05 AM
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p.74 #4 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!


No, no... I think designing a camera is very difficult.

But from those 3 points I mentioned, 2 of them are basically regressions: removal of PlayMemories and spatial filtering.

Now with my third point, bracketing in 14 bits with uncompressed raws and silent shooting: I am not well informed enough to say why Sony did not do it, perhaps something related to processing power, but it feels like a feature that was either not well thought enough or just left out on purpose. It is very arbitrary to have it in other modes but not in this one, even more so when it is mentioned in the manual.

To me the A7rII is the pinnacle of cameras, that is why the improvements are supposed to round workflows even more.

Sheesh, I sound like I won't be buying one, I will, but I guess if we don't ask Sony what we want they won't be reading our minds. Perhaps on A7rIV its going to be one of the features.



Nov 24, 2017 at 01:03 PM
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p.74 #5 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!


Electronic shutter is really hardware intensive, and with the current state of the hardware there are going to be tradeoffs when it is utilized.


Nov 24, 2017 at 01:24 PM
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p.74 #6 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!


Not bad coming from the same sensor. About half a stop better DR?

bclaff_too wrote:
Thanks to Matt Grum I now have complete Photographic Dynamic Range (PDR) published at PhotonsToPhotos
Slight improvement over the A7RM2 as expected below ISO 400




Nov 24, 2017 at 01:33 PM
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p.74 #7 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!


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Not bad coming from the same sensor. About half a stop better DR?



Yeah, and the same DR at ISO 100 as Nikon D850 achieves at ISO 64.



Nov 24, 2017 at 01:41 PM
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p.74 #8 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!


I知 good with this . So the marketing was true. I知 shocked . Lol


Nov 24, 2017 at 02:17 PM
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I知 good with this . So the marketing was true. I知 shocked . Lol


Nov 24, 2017 at 02:17 PM
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GMPhotography wrote:
I知 good with this . So the marketing was true. I知 shocked . Lol


I see 11.4 max for the A7R2 and 11.6 for the A7R3. Seems well within the margin of error, or variability between samples. No real difference above ISO 400



Nov 24, 2017 at 02:37 PM
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p.74 #11 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!


Retrieved from Bill's graphic, from left to right: A7R --> A7R2 --> A7R3 --> D850
http://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4556/37904771654_c33c357bf1_o.jpg



Nov 24, 2017 at 02:39 PM
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Anything is better than what痴 current on the same sensor but the real fact is I deal in real world images not some lame charts. I知 a photographer bottom line. If we see it than that痴 awesome if not the A7rII was and is fantastic. I知 okay with that too. Not even a consideration on this purchase. I can make up just about any DR issues in post.


Nov 24, 2017 at 02:46 PM
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p.74 #13 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!


so the a7r wins the DR battle. I should have stuck with that camera all this time


Nov 24, 2017 at 02:46 PM
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p.74 #14 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!


Matt Grum wrote:
No camera is perfect, or caters for 100% of possible use cases. The A7RIII is as good an all-rounder as I've ever seen.... but with that said there are some baffling restrictions.

Such as exposure bracketing (a feature that has existed in DSLRs since the film days). If you want to use exposure bracketing with uncompressed RAW that's fine. If you want to use exposure bracketing with the electronic shutter that's fine. But if you want to use exposure bracketing with uncompressed RAW and the electronic shutter, no you can't do that. You can of course change the shutter speed
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Thanks Matt. Do you get 14bit in regular exposure bracketing mode?



Nov 24, 2017 at 03:05 PM
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Mystik wrote:
so the a7r wins the DR battle. I should have stuck with that camera all this time


imo, A7Riii is the best in this group. Ave IQ is much better in low & hi EV and hard to beat A7Riii speedy mirror less features. Maybe another sony camera of the year back to back

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Nov 24, 2017 at 03:13 PM
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mttran wrote:
imo, A7Riii is the best in this group. Ave IQ is much better in low & hi EV and hard to beat A7Riii speedy mirror less features.


hehe yes I was being facetious

a7rII is Mr. turtle, a7r is grandpa tortoise.

D850 is some sort of fat heavy animal that can't focus accurately.



Nov 24, 2017 at 03:30 PM
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p.74 #17 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!


Mystik wrote:
a7rII is Mr. turtle, a7r is grandpa tortoise.







Nov 24, 2017 at 03:37 PM
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p.74 #18 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!


Got my A7RIII yesterday. Been testing stuff out with a little extra time I have as I'm currently traveling with wife & kids. I had pretty much memorized manual & help guide so not many surprises featurewize (I sent some correction to dpreview review ). Some impressions on various things anyway
* AF while focus zoom is sick feature not much talked about. With the new EVF & improved IBIS I get choose which part of our cats iris I focus the test shots. I'm going fully native & AF (still got adapted Zeiss APO 135/2), this seems to focus faster/easier/more accurately I can with the MF using zoom+peaking with superb MF lenses
* AF-C + Eye AF has improved a lot from A7RII. I photographed our kids being hyperactive & running/jumping around in small room (with FE 55), no way RII would have nailed them with Eye AF. It they are insde PDAF area the R3 nails focus with 80% accuracy; faster refreshing EVF helps a lot too (do not forget to go adjust Finder Frame Rate to "High" for action shooting). Again, more reason to go fully native + AF, preferably with electromagnetic linear focus motors
* to my eye the low light performance of the EVF when using focus zoom has improved quite a bit. I tested focus to a target I could not see at all with naked eye last night, EVF was still quite ok and AF under EVF picked it easily
* lack of any feedback when bursting with silent shutter is a bit distracting, the visual feedback they have in A9 would be nice
* the battery seems to last forever, I think I'm gonna need the extra I bought a couple of times a year
* everything is so responsive (I'm using the Lexar SD cards that lead the A9 performance benchmarks) that I'd really struggle to go back to A7RII

All in all, so far this camera feels better than any review/video could communicate to me, with some automatic stuff improved (posibility to marry AF & Spot meter point ) I'm even struggling to find use for all the custom buttons



Nov 24, 2017 at 03:53 PM
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p.74 #19 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!


Matt Grum wrote:
No camera is perfect, or caters for 100% of possible use cases. The A7RIII is as good an all-rounder as I've ever seen.... but with that said there are some baffling restrictions.

Such as exposure bracketing (a feature that has existed in DSLRs since the film days). If you want to use exposure bracketing with uncompressed RAW that's fine. If you want to use exposure bracketing with the electronic shutter that's fine. But if you want to use exposure bracketing with uncompressed RAW and the electronic shutter, no you can't do that. You can of course change the shutter speed
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Is it possible to get 14 bit RAW in e shutter + bracketing + uncompressed if you shoot in single shot bracketing mode? I recall on the A7R ii if you used continuous bracketing you would get a 12 bit downgrade but in single shot bracketing you could capture 14 bit files.

If this is not possible, it is indeed baffling. 14 bit RAW in e shutter is a big perk of the camera for telephoto landscapes but if it outright doesn稚 work in any form of bracketing mode that advantage is DOA for me.



Nov 24, 2017 at 03:59 PM
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p.74 #20 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!


Aztatlan wrote:
Is it possible to get 14 bit RAW in e shutter + bracketing + uncompressed if you shoot in single shot bracketing mode?


All bracketing is disabled with uncompressed + silent shutter enabled on the A7RIII. Fun fact though, the A9 supports uncompressed + silent + bracketing however.



Nov 24, 2017 at 04:11 PM
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