p.47 #2 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
rji2goleez wrote:
You and Phillip need to set up a custom setting (C1, C2) on the dial. My C1 setting on the dial is set to 2 sec delay, ISO100, f8 (native glass), IBIS Off, Aperture mode. So, I only set the camera on the tripod and set the camera to 1. Saves a bunch of time. Yes, you still need to set up the tripod. There's no custom setting for that!
Bob you can make all that a mode Mode1,2,3 on the dial
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Matt Grum wrote:
You need to compare the pixel shift (for landscape use) against the alternatives.
Upgrading to PhaseOne XF100 / Hasselblad H6D-100c
+ should exceed the image quality of A7RIII pixel shift in all but a few rare cases
+ tripod not absolutely necessary
- prohibitively expensive, heavier
Stitching a panorama with a longer lens
+ potential resolution improvements are huge (e.g. 1000 megapixels possible)
+ tripod not absolutely necessary
- hard to previsualise how the final shot will be composed
- slow, need to take many images, can be slow and requires concentration (unless a motorised head is used)
- postprocessing can take a long time, requires some manual intervention (to finish, fill gaps, crop etc.)
- subject movement causes problems
- potential parallax errors with foreground
- no automatic fallback
handheld multi-resolution
+ resolution improvement can be greater than pixel shift
+ no tripod required
+ automatic fallback (just use one of the images)
- postprocessing is not trivial
- slow, need to shoot many images
- can be unpredictable (you rely on random movement of the camera)
- subject movement causes problems
Pixel Shift
+ postprocessing should be quick/simple (unless there's movement)
+ automatic fallback (provided original RAWs can be extracted)
+ relatively quick to shoot (4 seconds), no manual intervention
- tripod required
- limited resolution improvement
- subject movement causes major problems
So pixel shift has some nice features, you can compose your shots in the usual way, and you should be able to try it, if it fails you haven't lost anything (unlike if you screw up a panorama).
But movement is going to kill it, although you have the option of comping in parts of the original images, e.g. you can replace the whole sky very easily (there's limited detail in the sky anyway). However with foliage you may end up replacing so much of the image that you might as well have not bothered.
But for distant foliage when there's no wind, or for primarily rocky landscapes it could be a real winner in terms of results/usability. ...Show more →
Compared to all these alternatives, I would say increasing sensor resolution is preferred. Of course we won't capture more photons that way, an thus don't get the noise related benefits of larger sensor or multi -capture images, but I don't think we are close to not wanting higher resolution because of lower per pixel noise is causing a problem.
One of the nicest applications for pixel shift, is actually proving how much more we can get out of our lenses. More advanced pixel shift could go a long way here. Like half -pixel shift combined with full-pixel shift, requiring 16 exposures.
I am with you on the assumption that many of our lenses are suited for much higher sensor resolution.
p.47 #5 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
rji2goleez wrote:
You and Phillip need to set up a custom setting (C1, C2) on the dial. My C1 setting on the dial is set to 2 sec delay, ISO100, f8 (native glass), IBIS Off, Aperture mode. So, I only set the camera on the tripod and set the camera to 1. Saves a bunch of time. Yes, you still need to set up the tripod. There's no custom setting for that!
I glad something useful can be used from those custom setttings. I recall trying to use it as an EFCS off mode, but didnt fly. I dont think it works for crop mode either.
Interesting. More and more it seems like no image quality improvements over A7RII and that pixel shift is half baked in implementation and dynamic range not improved. Wondering if upgrade really worth it if fast AF is not a priority in one’s shooting..
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johnctharp wrote:
So you don't want to actually mic your subject? Sorry, I'd only use the onboard audio as a solution of last resort, and/or to use for timing. The only lens noise I'd worry about is the noise that lenses that use DC motors in the lenses or in the camera body make .
Best not to make assumptions. But at least you returned to the original topic!
I use my camera as an everyday carry sort of tool, birthday parties, casual life, travel, ect. Why bother with an external Mic? Been shooting with external mics and still have my Rode from my 5Dii days, but I simply dont need it in sony land, the built in is at least good as cell phone, while Canon's built in is total garbage. Like I said previously, Sony's lenses were built for video, and it's plainly apparent if you have any experience in the matter.
do you carry a light panel? same idea, it's cumbersome, takes time to setup, requires batteries, ect.
p.47 #8 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
Charlie N wrote:
I use my camera as an everyday carry sort of tool, birthday parties, casual life, travel, ect. Why bother with an external Mic? Been shooting with external mics and still have my Rode from my 5Dii days, but I simply dont need it in sony land, the built in is at least good as cell phone, while Canon's built in is total garbage.
Cell-phone audio is good enough? Okay.
Charlie N wrote:
Like I said previously, Sony's lenses were built for video, and it's plainly apparent if you have any experience in the matter.
Making assumptions again- just don't.
Video servo smoothness is going to vary from lens to lens, but many of Canon's USM lenses are excellent for video, as are Sigma HSM and Tamron USD.
And no, you're not going to prove that wrong by finding the odd lens that's a little less smooth. I didn't say 'all'.
Charlie N wrote:
do you carry a light panel? same idea, it's cumbersome, takes time to setup, requires batteries, ect.
If the situation warrants it? Of course, this has nothing to do with video servo smoothness.
And doesn't begin to answer the question as to how far Sony has advanced here with the A7R III!
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p.47 #9 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
Luvwine wrote:
Interesting. More and more it seems like no image quality improvements over A7RII and that pixel shift is half baked in implementation and dynamic range not improved. Wondering if upgrade really worth it if fast AF is not a priority in one’s shooting..
The way I think about it is that you get some very nice usability upgrades with this camera. Better AF, better EVF, better IBIS, faster operation, a touchscreen, dual card slots, and a better battery. The sensor had great IQ and still does, but the only upgrade in images from the sensor is when you do pixel shift. I think the usability things are very much personal taste and usage. For me I would like the better EVF and better IBIS, but I have only a little interest to no interest in the other changes. I do recognize that lots of people have been asking for them, however. For me it isn't enough for an upgrade, but I can see for lots of others it would be. It would be for my wife and her shooting, but I think an A9 fits what she wants even better, so Sony will probably get even more of our money than just an upgrade to the A7r III .
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Steve Spencer wrote:
The way I think about it is that you get some very nice usability upgrades with this camera. Better AF, better EVF, better IBIS, faster operation, a touchscreen, dual card slots, and a better battery. The sensor had great IQ and still does, but the only upgrade in images from the sensor is when you do pixel shift. I think the usability things are very much personal taste and usage. For me I would like the better EVF and better IBIS, but I have only a little interest to no interest in the other changes. I do recognize that lots of people have been asking for them, however. For me it isn't enough for an upgrade, but I can see for lots of others it would be. It would be for my wife and her shooting, but I think an A9 fits what she wants even better, so Sony will probably get even more of our money than just an upgrade to the A7r III ....Show more →
Exactly right. Never heard people complaining about the image quality out of the A7R2. It was all about these other things that appear to be well addressed in the A7r3.
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For me I never had a issue with the IQ which I still think one of the best reasons to have the 42 even if nothing changes there it’s everything else I want
p.47 #13 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
johnctharp wrote:
Cell-phone audio is good enough? Okay.
Making assumptions again- just don't.
Video servo smoothness is going to vary from lens to lens, but many of Canon's USM lenses are excellent for video, as are Sigma HSM and Tamron USD.
And no, you're not going to prove that wrong by finding the odd lens that's a little less smooth. I didn't say 'all'.
If the situation warrants it? Of course, this has nothing to do with video servo smoothness.
And doesn't begin to answer the question as to how far Sony has advanced here with the A7R III!
again, that's your opinion, and like I said, you havent compared them to sony lenses.
on the A7riii video performance, I was referring to the A7rii performance for AF, which is ALREADY GOOD, similar to the A6300/6500, not as good as the A9, but still good.
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comparing the R3/R2/A9/A6500 to DPAF will be minor at best in video smoothness with the proper lenses, which goes to my original point that every lens produced by Sony has been made with video in mind, while Canon is not making many video capable lenses yet for whatever reason. Any reasonable person would not be happy with the canon USM lenses in the above video, I'de rather use a cell phone than to be stuck with that type of audio.
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Charlie N wrote:
I glad something useful can be used from those custom setttings. I recall trying to use it as an EFCS off mode, but didnt fly. I dont think it works for crop mode either.
I use setting 2 on the dial to set up bracketed shooting for HDR. Once it's set up just dial it in. Setting 1 - tripod single shot; Setting 2 - Tripod bracketed shot. Done!
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chez wrote:
Exactly right. Never heard people complaining about the image quality out of the A7R2. It was all about these other things that appear to be well addressed in the A7r3.
p.47 #16 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
Luvwine wrote:
Interesting. More and more it seems like no image quality improvements over A7RII and that pixel shift is half baked in implementation and dynamic range not improved. Wondering if upgrade really worth it if fast AF is not a priority in one’s shooting..
it's only been two years since the R2, so consider the upgrade very early! The changes for a minor 2 year upgrade are pretty extensive, however the loss of camera apps may be too painful to bear.
p.47 #17 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
rji2goleez wrote:
I use setting 2 on the dial to set up bracketed shooting for HDR. Once it's set up just dial it in. Setting 1 - tripod single shot; Setting 2 - Tripod bracketed shot. Done!
you're on to something good, I will give that a try. I was sure those settings were hopeless, but never tried them for landscape usage
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Charlie N wrote:
Any reasonable person would not be happy with the canon USM lenses in the above video, I'de rather use a cell phone than to be stuck with that type of audio.
Seriously, you use the first pancake as your 'no one would be happy with that!' example?
Please, keep failing at making your point by cherry-picking. There are so many positive examples of using Canon STM and USM lenses for video servo available.
You and I both know that both systems have their positives and negatives. That's what I'm interested in comparing here.
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Luvwine wrote:
More and more it seems like no image quality improvements over A7RII and that pixel shift is half baked in implementation and dynamic range not improved. Wondering if upgrade really worth it if fast AF is not a priority in one’s shooting..
I pre-ordered on the strength dual card slots and the new AF point joystick alone*! It's hard to put a price on peace of mind from having two copies of anything important. I'm not expecting any improvement in image quality, but I do expect:
Slightly better AF
Much faster buffer clearing with UHSII cards (A7RII takes an age to empty the buffer if you ever end up filling it)
Better usability (new menus/customisable buttons)
14-bit silent shutter that works for continuous shooting (I have some ideas for stacking/NR that would benefit from this)
*This is by far my biggest usability problem with the A7R II - trying to move the AF point in anything like a hurry always ended up with rotating the dial and changing the ISO setting! I also like to shoot portrait orientation using a vertical grip, and the A7R II grip makes it impossible to move the AF point when doing so! The AF joystick + the new grip is a real improvement.
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The joystick, a mainstay of pro cameras, Canon's 5D and 7D lines, and just reintroduced into Nikon semi-pro cameras (D500, D850), is a big deal for speed of adaptability, especially as resolution and lens acuity has increased such to the point that using focus and recompose results in noticeably OOF shots.
And next to that, though seemingly not as much discussed, is using the touchscreen as an 'AF trackpad'- not quite as good as a joystick, but may potentially offer better fine focus control.
Getting these features on the A7-series, on top of the dual card slots, really raises Sony's profile in the semi-pro market.
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