p.48 #1 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
johnctharp wrote:
The joystick, a mainstay of pro cameras, Canon's 5D and 7D lines, and just reintroduced into Nikon semi-pro cameras (D500, D850), is a big deal for speed of adaptability, especially as resolution and lens acuity has increased such to the point that using focus and recompose results in noticeably OOF shots.
And next to that, though seemingly not as much discussed, is using the touchscreen as an 'AF trackpad'- not quite as good as a joystick, but may potentially offer better fine focus control.
Getting these features on the A7-series, on top of the dual card slots, really raises Sony's profile in the semi-pro market....Show more →
Completely agree with this sentiment. I just switched from Canon to an A7R II, really mistimed that. I likely am upgrading immediately. That joystick is worth hundreds to me in usability and speed. I admittedly have had some trouble adjusting to the A7R II's menus and layout, and it has resulted in many many missed photos already when I go walk around looking for good light and doing street photography.
The joystick is an upgrade that improves my efficiency when using the camera, meaning I will miss less moments, plain and simple. AF Speed and FPS will aid in that as well, I suppose.
The duel card slots and USB 3.0 also lend to improved assurance and efficiency, respectively, to me.
p.48 #3 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
johnctharp wrote:
Seriously, you use the first pancake as your 'no one would be happy with that!' example?
Please, keep failing at making your point by cherry-picking. There are so many positive examples of using Canon STM and USM lenses for video servo available.
You and I both know that both systems have their positives and negatives. That's what I'm interested in comparing here.
I specifically said USM, you might want to read that again.
The vast majority of Canon lenses are USM lenses. There was 3 lenses in the video, and you picked the only one that does not fit the criteria. No "boosted audio". All my FE lenses behave like the 40 STM in that video, and even more quiet due to the better Sony mic.
I have no issues adapting Canon glass, love the S 135A in EF mount, the 24-70ii was nice, but they're noisy and jagged video AF. I dont mind the AF not being rack like, but the audio is a complete deal breaker when the big appeal of shooting a small system is to stay small as possible and not need to add a bunch of accessories for the most basic needs. If I'm at a restaurant for a birthday party, I dont want to setup a tripod/monopod so I can get steady video. I dont want to setup an external mic to get clean audio. I dont want to setup lights for low light conditions. IBIS, Silent AF, Fast glass respectively.
So the A7RIII is roughly equivalent to the D850 in DR at the same ISO - that's good news.
Not quite 15 stops of DR as Sony has suggested (vaguely), but still excellent.
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Charlie N wrote:
I specifically said USM, you might want to read that again.
The vast majority of Canon lenses are USM lenses. There was 3 lenses in the video, and you picked the only one that does not fit the criteria. No "boosted audio". All my FE lenses behave like the 40 STM in that video, and even more quiet due to the better Sony mic.
Not all USM lenses are great for video servo. One that sees a lot of comparison is the ancient 85/1.8 USM, and it is poor, though has class-leading (still, somehow) stills AF. Your video is cherry-picking. Tamron's SP85/1.8 VC is an example of a 'budget' 85 that's actually designed for digital and is smooth in video servo.
Further, the pancake STM lenses are louder than standard STM, but otherwise smooth.
Please stop using exceptions to prove something other than the rule. I'm no brand zealot and I know where things stand.
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jhinkey wrote:
So the A7RIII is roughly equivalent to the D850 in DR at the same ISO - that's good news.
Not quite 15 stops of DR as Sony has suggested (vaguely), but still excellent.
If DPReview is right and using DxO scale, it will be close to 15 stops...
p.48 #7 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
rji2goleez wrote:
I use setting 2 on the dial to set up bracketed shooting for HDR. Once it's set up just dial it in. Setting 1 - tripod single shot; Setting 2 - Tripod bracketed shot. Done!
p.48 #8 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
johnctharp wrote:
Not all USM lenses are great for video servo. One that sees a lot of comparison is the ancient 85/1.8 USM, and it is poor, though has class-leading (still, somehow) stills AF. Your video is cherry-picking. Tamron's SP85/1.8 VC is an example of a 'budget' 85 that's actually designed for digital and is smooth in video servo.
Further, the pancake STM lenses are louder than standard STM, but otherwise smooth.
Please stop using exceptions to prove something other than the rule. I'm no brand zealot and I know where things stand.
You telling me that USM lenses are exceptions to the rule? 24-70ii, 70-200ii, those were my primary video lenses when I was using canon. They are both loud for video. Funny you had to "cherry pick" a third party lens, and only a specific third party. Sigma lenses are not quiet for video.
Canon has like a few hundred lenses that have USM or loud gear motors, only 4-7 stm FF lenses (half low end consumer models I might add)... and I'm the one cherry picking
p.48 #9 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
Charlie N wrote:
They are both loud for video. ... and I'm the one cherry picking
Yes, yes you are. I'm not talking about 'loudness', I'm talking about video servo smoothness, and further to that, how well the A7R III might hold focus. Load up a few videos and see where E-mount cameras lose focus on stationary subjects when pulling focus between points.
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dgpfotografia wrote:
If DPReview is right and using DxO scale, it will be close to 15 stops...
DxOMark significantly understated the Landscape score for the Mark II.
It should have been as high as 14.5 not 13.9
The Mark III should score about 0.3 higher which would put it at only 14.2
But if they do it right they may get as high as 14.8 which would be almost 1 stop higher than was reported.
(And in line with Sony's claim, if this was in fact what they were claiming).
p.48 #14 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
virtualrain wrote:
Thanks.
Are they basically saying that you should set your max ISO to 640 and boost exposure in post if you need more?
You can take that approach if you want to and are concerned about highlight protection.
But your out of camera images may be quite dark so I think this is of limited usefulness.
(BTW, true of any "ISO Invariant" camera at some ISO setting)
p.48 #15 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
bclaff_too wrote:
You can take that approach if you want to and are concerned about highlight protection.
But your out of camera images may be quite dark so I think this is of limited usefulness.
(BTW, true of any "ISO Invariant" camera at some ISO setting)
Yeah I started doing this but realised it made reviewing images in the field (to check focus etc.) a massive pain. Now I tend to shoot manual with auto-iso and exposure compensation set to -3 in an attempt to protect the highlights.
It's yet another feature that would be trivial for manufacturers to implement but would make a big difference...
p.48 #16 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
Matt Grum wrote:
Yeah I started doing this but realised it made reviewing images in the field (to check focus etc.) a massive pain. Now I tend to shoot manual with auto-iso and exposure compensation set to -3 in an attempt to protect the highlights.
It's yet another feature that would be trivial for manufacturers to implement but would make a big difference...
+1
It would be great if you could have a toggle-able setting while viewing the embedded jpg to either view it as is or auto exposure the image in the LCD/EVF to do just that - see if you got things framed, focused, or whatever else you wanted to do.
p.48 #18 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
Matt Grum wrote:
Yeah I started doing this but realised it made reviewing images in the field (to check focus etc.) a massive pain. Now I tend to shoot manual with auto-iso and exposure compensation set to -3 in an attempt to protect the highlights.
It's yet another feature that would be trivial for manufacturers to implement but would make a big difference...
This is essentially what happens above ISO 1600 with the Fujifilm GFX 50S
When you ask for an ISO above 1600 it actually uses 1600 and then boosts the lightness of the output.
p.48 #19 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
alundeb wrote:
Reminds me of how long we had to wait in digital photography to even get exposure comp working in auto iso
Maybe one day they'll release a camera that shows you how close your RAW file is to clipping, so you don't have to just guess based on the JPEG histogram
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bclaff_too wrote:
This is essentially what happens above ISO 1600 with the Fujifilm GFX 50S
When you ask for an ISO above 1600 it actually uses 1600 and then boosts the lightness of the output.
It only boosts the lightness of the JPEG, right? Leaving the RAW values untouched?
If so that's significant. My 30D used to implement ISO 3200 digitally, except that it would double all the values in the ISO 1600 RAW file, clipping the highlights for no reason whatsoever!
p.48 #20 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
Matt Grum wrote:
<<<Maybe one day they'll release a camera that shows you how close your RAW file is to clipping, so you don't have <<<to just guess based on the JPEG histogram
Well Canon cams that can use Magic Lantern provide a Raw histo and even Zebras based on raw data. Perhaps Sony should hire the ML development team. I would like those features on my Sony. I believe a bunch of Leica cams at least since M8 also provide raw histos. So it is doable.
