p.22 #1 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
If someone makes an adapter to use the 50 in a 100’s slot, the problem is solved.
Matt Grum wrote:
Given I also have several other Sony cameras all taking FW50s I could end up having to carry even more batteries plus an extra charger after upgrading to the A7RIII!
However I don't begrudge Sony for changing it even if it's less convenient for me - the number of people complaining about battery life plus the new power hungry LSI they would have been stupid not to upgrade the battery!
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p.22 #2 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
mttran wrote:
Steve, does it look like 5th generation Exmor R (same as A7Rii) plus the NIR mod (as increasing of the pixels well depth) ? if this was the case then we now have better DR in both low and hi ISO range compared to A7Rii. TIA, Michael
As I understand it increasing the well depth would lead to a lower base ISO, and since this still has a base ISO of 100 I don't think the well depth has been increased.
p.22 #3 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
Regarding the pixel shift feature:
According to dpreview Sony's "Imaging Edge" will combine them into a .ARQ file, which suggests to me that it will be a kind of a raw format (without to need to demosaic obviously). Hopefully Capture One Pro and Lightroom will be able to read and work normally on that file. I could live with that.
If .ARQ was not a raw format of sorts, they would just save it out as tiff. That’s my thinking anyway.
p.22 #6 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
TakenWild wrote:
This sort of talk is simply noise. Why would Sony be lying?
The first of these sentences is correct. We do not yet have enough information to presume it does not have 15 stops of dynamic range.
But neither do we have enough to presume it does. They'd be lying because that's what marketing departments do. I don't trust any dynamic range, IBIS stops, blackout time, battery life, etc types of claims. As far as I'm concerned those specs are, while not quite "simply noise," not a whole heck of a long way from it.
p.22 #7 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
Lee Saxon wrote:
the A9's real FPS is 5
Are you saying that because it's the limit when using the mechanical shutter and in your mind, that's what constitutes a "frame"? Or because there are other limits?
If we want to get ridiculous, we could say that the maximum frame rate is 0 because in one second, it's possible to capture 0 images if the shutter speed is longer than 1 second.
Would you be more satisfied with "IPS" (Images Per Second) for the electronic shutter spec?
p.22 #8 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
DavidBM wrote:
Wait for the real price. Even at launch the cheaper places have charged a lot less than Sony's "price"
Also, note that that is only $US500 more than the US price, and $US320 of that is GST, so even at Sony's official price you would only be paying $180 more than the US price. Shipping would be at least $50 so it's about $130 for the warranty. And I'll bet Leederville or Digidirect will more than $130 less than official ...
Thank you! If the A7RIII offers significantly improved AF performance with the TAP and TA-GA3, I'll need to use this persuasive economic analysis when presenting my case to the Department. Have you already received approval from the Central Committee?
p.22 #9 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
Lee Saxon wrote:
The first of these sentences is correct. We do not yet have enough information to presume it does not have 15 stops of dynamic range.
But neither do we have enough to presume it does. They'd be lying because that's what marketing departments do. I don't trust any dynamic range, IBIS stops, blackout time, battery life, etc types of claims. As far as I'm concerned those specs are, while not quite "simply noise," not a whole heck of a long way from it.
That argument leads us to "Will there be an a7Riii at all?"
p.22 #10 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
One thing I am concerned about is workflow and editing. As a Lightroom 6 user I am troubled by Adobe's play to get us to move to CC. Something I have no intention of doing. The a7r3 will not be covered by any updates to LR 6. I get that one can extrapolate this argument to any new cameras/lenses going forward, but in the short term, I don't have a solution to my editing and database needs if I leave LR 6... again, I'm not going to a subscription model as a hobbyist. I feel like I'm not ready for an upgrade when I have 30,000 images in my LR library that wont't be compatible with the new camera files.
I know there are workarounds, and I'm open to suggestions, but this gives me great pause about upgrading to a new body at this time before I have workflow figured out.
p.22 #11 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
Steve Spencer wrote:
As I understand it increasing the well depth would lead to a lower base ISO, and since this still has a base ISO of 100 I don't think the well depth has been increased.
Ah but if you increase well depth and increase efficiency of the sensor then the lowest ISO could stay the same, whilst DR improves
However, I doubt that is the case here. They've probably just cleaned up the shadows a bit at ISO 100. I am also expecting less than a stop improvement in DR over the A7R II if this is the case.
p.22 #12 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
Viramati wrote:
On the whole I'm pretty happy with my A7rII's and they generally give me the performance I need BUT the A7rIII definitely gives me some advantages for portrait and event work like better eye-AF and continuous silent shooting etc. I will trade in one of the A7rII's for the new model and keep the other especially as I see the new model doesn't support play memory apps which I sometimes use (why I don't understand). As I use 2 cameras in tandem when shooting landscape I feel that the IQ will be generally be similar enough for this combo to still work for me...Show more →
And it may turn out the a7R3 is noticeably sharper than the a7R2 (I've read those rumblings). Maybe improvements in sensor cover glass or "wells", or even tweaks in electronics? We'll know more as it gets broad use from buyers and published independent testing. Sony must have made some compelling improvements to this seemingly blah edition -- I'll wait for more info.
p.22 #13 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
Justin Stone wrote:
One thing I am concerned about is workflow and editing. As a Lightroom 6 user I am troubled by Adobe's play to get us to move to CC. Something I have no intention of doing. The a7r3 will not be covered by any updates to LR 6. I get that one can extrapolate this argument to any new cameras/lenses going forward, but in the short term, I don't have a solution to my editing and database needs if I leave LR 6... again, I'm not going to a subscription model as a hobbyist. I feel like I'm not ready for an upgrade when I have 30,000 images in my LR library that wont't be compatible with the new camera files.
I know there are workarounds, and I'm open to suggestions, but this gives me great pause about upgrading to a new body at this time before I have workflow figured out.
I’m not going to buy this Sony and I don’t like Adobe’s model either, but considering buying a $3200 camera as a hobbyist but having trouble with a $10 a month subscription seems inconsistent to me.
p.22 #14 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
GMPhotography wrote:
I just realized that when in crop mode the AF points get closer to the edges in surface area. I’m good to go. I shoot those big runway shows in crop mode and was worried about EYe Af getting faces on verticals.
No surprise that. Your first-day thinking always seems to go from “maybe,” “maybe not” to “definitely”
p.22 #15 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
Can I just say I’m giving Sony a little more credit with there numbers than the conspiracy theory going on here. It’s 15 stops folks get over it, they found ways to clean up the pipeline and until proven wrong than we are all guessing until tests are done. Bottom line there is a improvement now how much that is will be determined . Yea I’m not a big marketing guy either and sometimes these things are misleading. But looks like the effort is there
p.22 #16 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
johnvanr wrote:
No surprise that. Your first-day thinking always seems to go from “maybe,” “maybe not” to “definitely”
True and as we all get more data than things change. It’s more can I get what I need done. My issue is I’m a generalist shooter. I may have head shots one day and wind turbines the next so when it comes to gear I’m all over the place because there are no simple solutions. Wind turbine images are counted in print by yards. Head shots are maybe 8x10. The A9 can’t handle the wind turbines . I need big files and it’s just not there. Right now I have to rent for them and there planning on sending me out again soon. It’s not easy being a Pro that does not specialize in let’s say food photography or straight product work. You know what you need everyday. I have no clue what’s coming in
p.22 #17 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
I’m going pre-order everything and decide what to do. I’m leaning on getting the 3 though. The lens 24-105 is a given. I need the lens anyway for PR work. I need hard dates on shipping though
p.22 #18 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
In regards to the dynamic range I think I remember something about video dynamic range being measured in a different way than photographic dynamic range. This is from my days with Canon when they announced some sort of professional level video camera and the dynamic range to go with it seemed absurdly High but that's because the photographic Community was assessing it, not the videographer community. Is there any chance this is a video related dynamic range spec?
p.22 #19 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
Justin Stone wrote:
One thing I am concerned about is workflow and editing. As a Lightroom 6 user I am troubled by Adobe's play to get us to move to CC. Something I have no intention of doing. The a7r3 will not be covered by any updates to LR 6. I get that one can extrapolate this argument to any new cameras/lenses going forward, but in the short term, I don't have a solution to my editing and database needs if I leave LR 6... again, I'm not going to a subscription model as a hobbyist. I feel like I'm not ready for an upgrade when I have 30,000 images in my LR library that wont't be compatible with the new camera files.
I know there are workarounds, and I'm open to suggestions, but this gives me great pause about upgrading to a new body at this time before I have workflow figured out.
You can use Adobe's DNG converter to convert raw files into DNG which should work in LR. This is the work around for people who have not upgraded to the latest version. Or try capture one, which I'm told is faster anyways. Although the new lightroom version IS much quicker. People have been complaining about adobe LR performance for years and this year it seems they really did deliver. My A7rii files used to bring my system to its knees and now it's MUCH breezier. I do get some crashes though...
p.22 #20 · Pre-orders open! Sony A7R III and FE 24-105mm f/4 OSS lens!
Lee Saxon wrote:
The first of these sentences is correct. We do not yet have enough information to presume it does not have 15 stops of dynamic range.
But neither do we have enough to presume it does. They'd be lying because that's what marketing departments do. I don't trust any dynamic range, IBIS stops, blackout time, battery life, etc types of claims. As far as I'm concerned those specs are, while not quite "simply noise," not a whole heck of a long way from it.
Others have noted that Sony claimed 15 stops of DR for the a7s when it was introduced
