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Mike Veltri wrote:
Oil and dust issues are not just a Canon issue.
Chimping you replied to a thread in March 2017 about your issues.
Seems like you have had a 1Dx replaced, and a 1Dx II replaced but you still stay with Canon and if I read correctly you purchased two Mark II's knowing they may have issues.
Fast forward 8 months and now your trying to see if others have the problem with the senor stack. I don't seem to see others with the exact same streaking problem related to the senor stack. If I had the streaking issue, it would only be a problem if I saw the streaks in my imagery at all apertures. This is not to say you did not have a real problem, which Canon seemed to resolve by replacing your uint.
I do see oil and dust in many images posted. But dust and oil are not new, and not a Canon only issue as you two make it out to be. Some of the images and the last post by Ferrophot show that most people are only looking at their sensor now. Then again some people never get their car washed as well.
Some people here have no problem cleaning their own sensors, something you learn that you need to do or have someone else do for you on a regular basis unless you want to remove the spots in post.
If I shoot a sunrise, I damn well check my sensor the night before and normally blow it off then use a gel pen on it to make sure I have it as clean as possible without a wet cleaning. Wet cleaning I rarely do unless its welded dust or oil. If its oil, then I prepare by having enough swabs on hand to do the task. One swab is usually not sufficient if its oil.
I have been cleaning since I bought my first 30D, then 40D, Mark III, Mark IV, 1Dx and now the 1Dx II. Changing converters in the field while shooting birds always has risks of debris entering the camera. And you soon find its worth knowing how to clean your sensor yourself which is not cheap doing it by yourself or spending $50 to have it done for you.
A few oil & dust images from around the net showing this is not a new problem, and not a Canon specific problem.
Wow, for a minute I thought I was looking at images from the 1Dx series with this first reference phew... luckily I was mistaken.
http://www.jamespictures.co.uk/2012/nikon-d7000-oil-on-sensor-problem/
And a good one from the old days when digital was a new thing.
http://www.bythom.com/cleaning.htm
D600 oil issues
https://petapixel.com/2012/10/22/the-nikon-d600-has-sensor-dust-issues/
Pentax cleaning
https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/2867553
Fuji oil sensor cleaning
https://www.fujix-forum.com/threads/xt-2-oil-dust-behind-sensor-glass.74026/
Anyways, not trying to pick a fight, but we are not alone on this issue.
Hopefully you find that perfect camera for high speed shooting that you can change lenses in the field with, that does not gather dust or debris and has no lubricant problems.
I for one really like the 1Dx Mark II as I shoot birds and need the fast frame rate, but I also shoot in the studio with strobes and have never let dust become an issue for me.
If I could not clean the oil off my sensor after multiple wet cleanings, I would have no choice but to send it into Canon Canada for a look. If Canon could not resolve my issues, I would then look at other bodies or another brand possibly.
Hope you find a solution to your problem, but rather than reading every post here on your thread, I would rather be out shooting with my gear.
Have a great day and good luck getting your issues resolved.
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You have not read correctly, only cherry picked the parts that you think work in your favour. I have one 1DX and one 1DX Mark II. I no longer have my original 1DX; it was replaced for an unrelated matter. My original 1DX Mark II's sensor was replaced for sensor lines; following that, the camera's new sensor eventually became covered in oil splatter, and I took the camera to Vistek for a cleaning. The Vistek employee could not adequately clean the sensor because of the sheer amount of oil and scratched the sensor trying. Canon, for whatever reason, offered to replace the camera for the cost of a new sensor. Here I am today with two 1D cameras: one 1DX and one 1DX Mark II.
I bring up the sensor stack issue every time I see a thread about the 1DX Mark II. Why? Because many of these cameras suffer from it. Whether it affects your shooting personally, Mike, I do not care. I know for myself, and many others, that when spending thousands on equipment I want it to work properly. Like I said previously in this thread, if you purchased a brand new car with spider cracks in the paint and it doesn't affect your driving of that car, would you still want the paint fixed? I think any reasonable person would.
These sensor lines can show as early as f/8-f/10. That's not an uncommon aperture range, at all! You say you haven't seen others with the same sensor streak issue? Talk to therealthing here. He just sent me another file from ANOTHER 1DX Mark II with the sensor lines. These cameras are rife with the problem. Unfortunately, similar to the oil splatter problem, most people with these cameras do not notice the issue immediately. That is why I always bring it up in 1DX Mark II threads. My current 1DX Mark II has one little diagonal line and I can live with it; other people might want a perfect sensor, which they are entitled. Again, why pay thousands for equipment with defects?
I'm glad you see the HUNDREDS of oil and dust spots in the images posted. While oil and dust on digital sensors is not a new phenomena, it is not normal for this sheer quantity to be on a sensor. No other Canon I have ever owned or used has ever exhibited it to this same degree. Again, I ask: do you not think that hundreds of oil spots in the upper left-hand corner of the frame is indicative of something?
Some people may only be looking at their sensors now, as you claim, but others have been keeping a close eye on theirs. Go read Arthur Morris' blog (one of the original Canon Explorers of Light) and see what he has to say about it. Go back in this thread and look at therealthing's gifs that he created showing how the splatter returned after only a few hundred shots.
With regard to why people might only be noticing their dirty sensors now, and not earlier, is perhaps explained by them never having to worry prior to owning the 1DX Mark II. I have owned a Canon 5D3 since early 2013, and I have NEVER cleaned its sensor. It has a total of 8 spots showing that I can easily clone out. When speaking with Arthur Morris he told me his three 5D Mark IVs have only minimal spots. My 5DsR was used extensively all over Europe this summer and it developed a total of 3 spots, total, with 100% dehaze at f/20. People all over the net have commented how clean their 5Ds' sensors stay. I also borrowed a 7D Mark II to shoot an airshow not long ago and fired thousands of frames that day, and the sensor was still spotless.
So, my point is that if people are coming from these other Canon cameras they might not have realized that they have to continuously check their sensors for spots. I was shocked the first time I saw the oil splatter, never having experienced it before.
You are right; some people have no problem cleaning their sensors. Good for them; they must have balls, as far as I am concerned. What if something goes wrong during the cleaning? It's not impossible, and it happened to me with Vistek. If you clean your own sensor and run a muck, there can be a massively expensive repair. I have enough expenses and worries in my life to not want a surprise repair bill. Sending the camera into Canon is the only sure way of protecting oneself from liability. To each their own; some people don't wear seat belts in cars either.
As far as those links go that you posted: --
The first link, regarding a Nikon D7000...I would not put up with that either. I would be interested to see if their newest model still performs that way?
I am glad you posted an article about the Nikon D600. Why? Because it was RECALLED FOR OIL SPLATTER. There are tons and tons of information about this camera and the class action lawsuits that followed all over the net. In fact, I sent one of these articles to Canon just the other day. Some of the oil splatter I have seen from the Nikon D600 makes it look like a walk in the park compared to the 1DX Mark II.
You literally posted a link about a Fuji camera with three sensor spots circled in red. I am not sure how that relates to the hundreds and hundreds we are seeing on the 1DX Mark II sensors.
The Pentax thread no longer has images to showcase the problem experienced by the OP. Furthermore, the thread breaks down into a discussion of Pentax cleaning swabs; overall, a complete unrelated topic to what we are discussing here.
Look, I am not trying to pick a fight either. However, I will not stand for misinformation or a lack of comprehension on these issues. I have dealt with people like you before coming into threads like this and holding forth as if they are an expert, despite not having read the previous posts thoroughly. While I appreciate people commenting and contributing to this thread, your post descended into giving instructions as to why people should learn to clean their own sensors and how this is all just a non-issue, while at the same time posting links to completely irrelevant information.
If you want to contribute meaningfully, I have an idea:
Since you do not mind cleaning your own sensors, please post a before shot from your camera at f/20. Then clean its sensor and post a photo at the same aperture. From there, please go take around 300 shots on high speed burst and post the results by taking yet another image at f/20.
I am more than willing to send Canon files from cameras that don't exhibit an issue. If your camera doesn't have oil splatter, or oil splatter that does not immediately return after a few hundred shots, I would absolutely love to send its files to Canon! This would be extremely helpful to all of us here.
Cheers.
Edited on Nov 27, 2017 at 03:07 AM · View previous versions
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