Here are images all shot with the same 70-200mm at f22 with the 4 different 1DxIIs. First 2 were pre-ordered cameras. Last 2 were ordered September 2016. Some cameras were used more than the others. Older ones had more lens changes with tele converters and this is after a month in Africa.
They all look about the same. I used the "Clean Now" shake a few times and used a blower bulb pretty aggressively.
Here are images all shot with the same 70-200mm at f22 with the 4 different 1DxIIs. First 2 were pre-ordered cameras. Last 2 were ordered September 2016. Some cameras were used more than the others. Older ones had more lens changes with tele converters and this is after a month in Africa.
They all look about the same. I used the "Clean Now" shake a few times and used a blower bulb pretty aggressively.
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Mine was similar to an extent, I used the gel stick and after about 5 or 6 times I got a pretty clean sensor.
Thanks PV Hiker, really helpful. Damn, these are all pretty rough... Hopefully CPS will clean these well - please let us know if they have any useful comments.
So, right there we have another four cameras with excessive debris on the sensors; the dust/oil is mostly in the top left too, just like with everyone elses’ cameras.
This camera model is flawed. You can say that it’s because the mirror flaps up and down at 14 fps all you want, but the fact that Nikonians don’t experience the same level of sensor debris on their equivalent D5 shows this is a design problem; and if you want to compare other Canon cameras, there’s not a single other model that does this, including the 7D2 that shoots at 10 FPS.
Canon should absolutely issue a recall. Will they? Probably not.
I will make sure to discourage any potential buyers from purchasing this camera. Unless you’re a sports shooter and don’t care about these problems, or if you just don’t care for your everyday-type of shooting anyways, then this camera will be a headache.
This problem is on top of the sensor line issue as well, let’s not forget.
Chimping wrote:
So, right there we have another four cameras with excessive debris on the sensors; the dust/oil is mostly in the top left too, just like with everyone elses’ cameras.
This camera model is flawed. You can say that it’s because the mirror flaps up and down at 14 fps all you want, but the fact that Nikonians don’t experience the same level of sensor debris on their equivalent D5 shows this is a design problem; and if you want to compare other Canon cameras, there’s not a single other model that does this, including the 7D2 that shoots at 10 FPS.
Canon should absolutely issue a recall. Will they? Probably not.
I will make sure to discourage any potential buyers from purchasing this camera. Unless you’re a sports shooter and don’t care about these problems, or if you just don’t care for your everyday-type of shooting anyways, then this camera will be a headache.
This problem is on top of the sensor line issue as well, let’s not forget. ...Show more →after all that is said the camera requires more maintenance, that is really what is going on here. To me it’s not a big deal. Anyone that wants to sell their flawed camera, I am buying them for the flawed price of $2000 each....let me know who wants to sell their flawed camera......
Herb wrote:
after all that is said the camera requires more maintenance, that is really what is going on here. To me it’s not a big deal. Anyone that wants to sell their flawed camera, I am buying them for the flawed price of $2000 each....let me know who wants to sell their flawed camera......
Yeah, the Nikon D600 required "more maintenance" too.
I clean my 1Dx (used 12 / 14 swabs in 4 years) and now 1Dx2 regularly with the Eclipse fluid and swab (put them in the gear bag when long travel), practically there is no issue on affecting my photography. I know I need to spend time to clean the sensor but actually not frequent, the effort spend on it is far less then doing the post processing the raw file
I know the more oil speck or dust on the sensor is not perfect but I found no sensor can guarantee no dust no debris so more or less I still need the cleaning stuff ready anytime.
KKFung wrote:
I clean my 1Dx (used 12 / 14 swabs in 4 years) and now 1Dx2 regularly with the Eclipse fluid and swab (put them in the gear bag when long travel), practically there is no issue on affecting my photography. I know I need to spend time to clean the sensor but actually not frequent, the effort spend on it is far less then doing the post processing the raw file
I know the more oil speck or dust on the sensor is not perfect but I found no sensor can guarantee no dust no debris so more or less I still need the cleaning stuff ready anytime. ...Show more →
Do you find the shots above from PV normal?
Sensor cleaning is fine for some people who want to risk it. I don't want to take chances with a camera of this calibre and clean my own sensor. I used to have Vistek here in Calgary clean my equipment until their tech scratched my 1DX2 sensor, which resulted in a $1700 CAD bill, and that included the 30% CPS Platinum discount. Now I exclusively send everything to Canon, who thankfully is pretty quick with returns.
Look, it's not that I don't realize that cleaning is part of the game with these cameras; I've been shooting for enough years and own enough cameras that I know it's a facet of life. Making an excuse for this camera model's atrocious maintenance routine seems completely asinine to me, however. No other camera Canon makes requires maintenance to this degree and this regularly.
Nikon recalled their D600 for oil problems, and from the shots I've seen from those cameras they weren't any worse than what we're experiencing; in fact, our cameras are worse. Check out the link I posted a few pages back on someone detailing their D600 oil woes.
People are so funny about this. It's like people buying Ducati motorcycles -- they pay high prices and justify their ridiculous maintenance schedules and mechanical problems on the fact their bikes are 'high performance' and 'Italian', or something equally as stupid. The fact is, they just don't make a reliable bike.
The fact is, Canon just does not make a reliable 1D currently.
KKFung wrote:
I clean my 1Dx (used 12 / 14 swabs in 4 years) and now 1Dx2 regularly with the Eclipse fluid and swab (put them in the gear bag when long travel), practically there is no issue on affecting my photography. I know I need to spend time to clean the sensor but actually not frequent, the effort spend on it is far less then doing the post processing the raw file
I know the more oil speck or dust on the sensor is not perfect but I found no sensor can guarantee no dust no debris so more or less I still need the cleaning stuff ready anytime. ...Show more →
The coating on the sensor is different between the 1Dx and MKII. The latter has a raw surface that is more likely to just move the dirt with a cleaning job.
Doesn't eclipse fluid leave residue behind on the sensor? The Canon rep i spoke with told me that Canon Japan instructed to clean with break cleaning fluid only because it evaporates so quicky that it does not leave smears on the sensor and dissolves oil quickly.
Have you done the blue sky test on your camera as well? I am interested to see how clean you can get it with your cleaning approach. And discover where your level of 'acceptance' lies with this camera.
therealthings wrote:
The coating on the sensor is different between the 1Dx and MKII. The latter has a raw surface that is more likely to just move the dirt with a cleaning job.
Doesn't eclipse fluid leave residue behind on the sensor? The Canon rep i spoke with told me that Canon Japan instructed to clean with break cleaning fluid only because it evaporates so quicky that it does not leave smears on the sensor and dissolves oil quickly.
Have you done the blue sky test on your camera as well? I am interested to see how clean you can get it with your cleaning approach. And discover where your level of 'acceptance' lies with this camera. ...Show more →
You don’t mean brake cleaning fluid do you? That stuff does not evaporate.
We call it brake cleaner. The stuff that some garages use to help fire up an old engine that doesn't want to turn on and spray some in the air intake. Or you can use it to clean your intake manifold when it's greasy, or what the name implies, your brakes of course.
Herb wrote:
You don’t mean brake cleaning fluid do you? That stuff does not evaporate.
Chimping wrote:
Do you find the shots above from PV normal?
Sensor cleaning is fine for some people who want to risk it. I don't want to take chances with a camera of this calibre and clean my own sensor. I used to have Vistek here in Calgary clean my equipment until their tech scratched my 1DX2 sensor, which resulted in a $1700 CAD bill, and that included the 30% CPS Platinum discount. Now I exclusively send everything to Canon, who thankfully is pretty quick with returns.
Look, it's not that I don't realize that cleaning is part of the game with these cameras; I've been shooting for enough years and own enough cameras that I know it's a facet of life. Making an excuse for this camera model's atrocious maintenance routine seems completely asinine to me, however. No other camera Canon makes requires maintenance to this degree and this regularly.
Nikon recalled their D600 for oil problems, and from the shots I've seen from those cameras they weren't any worse than what we're experiencing; in fact, our cameras are worse. Check out the link I posted a few pages back on someone detailing their D600 oil woes.
People are so funny about this. It's like people buying Ducati motorcycles -- they pay high prices and justify their ridiculous maintenance schedules and mechanical problems on the fact their bikes are 'high performance' and 'Italian', or something equally as stupid. The fact is, they just don't make a reliable bike.
The fact is, Canon just does not make a reliable 1D currently. ...Show more →
I never try 200mm f/22 so I can’t justify if it is normal or not. What I currently do is wide angle on f/11 for test and I have wide angle landscape f/8-11shoot every weekend, the dirt or oil speck will be easily be enhanced in the sky area during post processing, but I never found the same dirt level as PV’s, perhaps when I found too much dirt then I clean it then so never accumulate to this level.
I don’t know Ducati but as I know most super car include Ferrari, Porsche, even the Nissan GTR they really need ridiculous maintenance, people used to it
therealthings wrote:
The coating on the sensor is different between the 1Dx and MKII. The latter has a raw surface that is more likely to just move the dirt with a cleaning job.
Doesn't eclipse fluid leave residue behind on the sensor? The Canon rep i spoke with told me that Canon Japan instructed to clean with break cleaning fluid only because it evaporates so quicky that it does not leave smears on the sensor and dissolves oil quickly.
Have you done the blue sky test on your camera as well? I am interested to see how clean you can get it with your cleaning approach. And discover where your level of 'acceptance' lies with this camera. ...Show more →
I cleaned my 1Dx2 about 2 times now, so far so good, I always have heavy post processing on the sky area that will make any light oil specks punch out from the picture, so I’m quite serious on the sensor clean. I will clean and check if any issue come out after more cycle of cleaning
You are probably referring to Ether in a spray can to aid in starting engines in cold weather. Not sure about using it for sensor cleaning. Anything in a spray can would have propellants and other stuff that would leave residue?
If only you could learn to shot with the camera upside-down, then the dust and oil would be in the foreground and not the sky .
If you guys saw my earlier post with the white dots you know that oil specks do not only travel to the upper left corner (or in reality the bottom right). Oil lands wherever it goes. And when still fresh, it leaves large white dots rendering any keeper shot possibly useless.
Shooting at f22 or like i suggested f32 is only to check your sensor for debris. Has nothing to do with normal shooting. And why you want that? Because leaving dirt on a sensor for a long time is not good for a sensor. Let me and others be an example for you guys. Old debris gets stubborn and might leave a sensor no longer cleanable like mine.
Ok so i just tested my new camera. Just fired a few shots. Ok it has dust on it already nothing to worry about. But the brush streak lines on this sensor are worse than my previous camera:
therealthings wrote:
Ok so i just tested my new camera. Just fired a few shots. Ok it has dust on it already nothing to worry about. But the brush streak lines on this sensor are worse than my previous camera:
KKFung wrote:
Sorry I haven't read through the whole thread. How the brush streak lines come from? Is it originally exist?
I think it is glue between layers of the sensor stack. You can expose them at narrow apertures and blue sky. When you pull darks down they show. Now everyone can say no one will see them in normal shooting conditions, but they should not be there. And i have not seen these on any other camera model. Also the amount of these brush lines vary between models. I have seen sensors that show very few lines and some that are full with it. And once you know they are there, you'll start seeing them on more normal conditions as well.
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