p.8 #1 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
PetKal wrote:
Dhphoto and Arbitrage echo my sentiments well: if we are looking at camera purchases in terms of ROI, the return is generally terrible for three main reasons:
(1) Mid and top level Canon camera bodies are grossly overpriced, and IMO so is 6DII.
(2) Generation-to-generation camera improvements are usually miniscule, or even irrelevant for still photography.
(3) If the shooting technique remains constant, then the results are often invariant of camera upgrades.
Keeping our old gear, as well as focusing our efforts on betterment of our photography skills, gives us a much higher return than any fancy new camera we might buy.
I do not desire to tinkle on your 6DII festivities, just offering a counter point to those that might wish to consider it....Show more →
+1 that iterative upgrades are typically nothing to get too excited about. But, I think that the 6D II is hitting a spot that plenty of folks have been waiting a while for, and for those coming up by TWO (or more) generations, I think it'll be quite welcome on several fronts.
As to ROI ... that's a whole 'nother matter.
What a carpenter does with his hammer is totally up to him ... be it a shiny new one, or a rusty old "they don't make 'em like they used to" one. I could still put my trusty Kodak SLR/C up to many tasks that'll produce the goods that I craft, but it'll be a welcome to swing something a little more versatile just the same. My ROI (direct monetary vs. indirect pleasure) ... just depends on what I do with it.
That said, I figure if I got the better part of a decade out of the SLR/C, the 6D II should be good for several years to come before the 6D4 (i.e. skipping gens @ nominal iterative / incremental) comes along.
p.8 #4 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Kudos to Canon Great to see the industry moving forward and of course rationalizing to suit the market. I do feel though the lack of 4K video is a mistake. This was Canon's biggest draw card with the 5DII as so many videographers aligned themselves with f/1.2 lenses for film clips.
The Rebel SL2 is a great addition for its size, weight and price level.
p.8 #9 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Ralph Conway wrote:
In my case it already is/was the last 5 years.
My next body surely will be a third 6D.
Conny
Trouble is just don't NEED anything beyond the 6 dslr's and 3 EOS M's I already have, they do my work to a standard that pays the bills and can still manage on my old pc. I just don't require more. It's actually quite a nice feeling.
p.8 #10 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Pixel Perfect wrote:
No 1/8000, 1/180 X-sync, UHS-1, USB 2 no joystick. When you have 45 points for AF, joystick is a must IMO.
Very nice camera but penny pinching and product segmentation stop it's being a superb camera. Canon probably knew if they added those little touches sales of 5D4 would drop a lot, but they'd sell so many more 6DII's the bottom line would be as good if not better IMO, so what does it matter.
Doesn't the 8 way "pad" inside the main dial act like a joystick? I haven't used the original 6D or any body that has this, but in my book it should work the same way.
p.8 #11 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Milan Hutera wrote:
Doesn't the 8 way "pad" inside the main dial act like a joystick? I haven't used the original 6D or any body that has this, but in my book it should work the same way.
p.8 #12 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Milan Hutera wrote:
Doesn't the 8 way "pad" inside the main dial act like a joystick? I haven't used the original 6D or any body that has this, but in my book it should work the same way. Yep, it acts just like a joystick, in fact it is so good the US air force is converting all aircraft from joystick to eight way pads for primary controls. So there you go.
p.8 #13 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Blair Maynard wrote:
Yep, it acts just like a joystick, in fact it is so good the US air force is converting all aircraft from joystick to eight way pads for primary controls. So there you go.
Aside from your snarky comment, the "big deal" is being made about 8 way joystick being replaced by 8 way pad... How come the one 8 way control is a "must have" and the other one is "inadequate"....
p.8 #14 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
PetKal wrote:
Dhphoto and Arbitrage echo my sentiments well: if we are looking at camera purchases in terms of ROI, the return is generally terrible for three main reasons:
(1) Mid and top level Canon camera bodies are grossly overpriced, and IMO so is 6DII.
(2) Generation-to-generation camera improvements are usually miniscule, or even irrelevant for still photography.
(3) If the shooting technique remains constant, then the results are often invariant of camera upgrades.
Keeping our old gear, as well as focusing our efforts on betterment of our photography skills, gives us a much higher return than any fancy new camera we might buy.
I do not desire to tinkle on your 6DII festivities, just offering a counter point to those that might wish to consider it....Show more →
To No 1:
I would have loved to see the 6D II to be the first FF body priced UNDER 1K, too. Canon could have gone this route.
They did not. I guess they know why. Maybe, I going to boar you all here, but again: Canon already offered the tool that fullfills my needs since 5 years now (I do not NEED the joystick, I just want it). And that one will go down under 1.000 before christmas imo.
I am ongoing to shoot people in main. For this I still
- do not need 45 AF points (one working perfect is enough for me).
- do not needd ANY video.
- do not need 26 MP
- do not need an articulated screen (what might be nice but not necessary - by the way it could break)
- do not need 6.5 FPS
- do not want an electronic VF overlay
Iimo most customers WANT what they do NOT need. It is really funny to see many crying that they do not get what they want for less money. 4K Video is available since a couple of years now, and people cry that it is not already a standard in a 2017 consumer product? Go and purchase a prosumer camera! Spend twice the price, to get what you want. Those who need it already spend 5-10 times the price one or two years ago.
I do not really believe that the newer sensor costs 1000 bucks more. And yes Peter, Canons Mid and Top level bodies are surely overpriced (like the consumer bodies imo are and of course Nikon boedies are, too). Like all lenses. But who cares? And why? Nobody is FORCED to buy the "newest" "high level" stuff. If people would not do it, a new 1DX II would soon be available for 1500 - 2000 bucks like pro bodies where priced 25 years ago.
The fact that 6D II after 5 years is not a big step from 6D (except AF) imo shows clearly, how good the available equipment already is/was.
p.8 #15 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Milan Hutera wrote:
Aside from your snarky comment, the "big deal" is being made about 8 way joystick being replaced by 8 way pad... How come the one 8 way control is a "must have" and the other one is "inadequate"....
It's too low, meaning that you have to re-prosition your right hand to operate it, which in addition may or may not interfere with the operation of other controls, the 80D/6D pads haptic feedback is nothing short of atrocious relative to what Canon can do (a rebel's rear pad is more clicky, more positive, so clearly it's intentionally poor in that respect), and at least on the 6D, the refresh rate is capped, meaning that if you press it too many times in one direction it won't register all the presses.
p.8 #16 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Milan Hutera wrote:
Doesn't the 8 way "pad" inside the main dial act like a joystick? I haven't used the original 6D or any body that has this, but in my book it should work the same way.
Yes, it does act like the youstick. But (for me) it does not feel like it. I was able to use it more intuitive and without watching the camera back. With a touchscreen it looses its necessity for me, but I still do not like to touch the screen. I guess, who never used a body with joystick will not miss it. But I still do.
p.8 #17 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
dhphoto wrote:
Trouble is just don't NEED anything beyond the 6 dslr's and 3 EOS M's I already have, they do my work to a standard that pays the bills and can still manage on my old pc. I just don't require more. It's actually quite a nice feeling.
p.8 #18 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Pixel Perfect wrote:
No 1/8000, 1/180 X-sync, UHS-1, USB 2 no joystick. When you have 45 points for AF, joystick is a must IMO.
Very nice camera but penny pinching and product segmentation stop it's being a superb camera. Canon probably knew if they added those little touches sales of 5D4 would drop a lot, but they'd sell so many more 6DII's the bottom line would be as good if not better IMO, so what does it matter.
The 45 AF points seems to work fine on the 80D, not that I wouldn't prefer to have a joystick....I think it depends on who you are...but I find myself moving my AF point around all the time when doing macro and I use the wheel to move it. yeah, it is not as good as it would be on my 7D2, or on any of the higher end bodies...but that is the price you pay for not paying up..
Apple would be happy to play off one product for another just based on sales...but I guess Canon doesn't see it what way. If they have to build up a fab for a 30MP sensor and then another for a 26MP sensor, then I guess they need to recoup investments in those fabs. Not sure how such works for Apple or if it even applies in a similar fashion.
p.8 #19 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
I am with RustyBug in regard to the method of AF point selection/movement: the Canon camera joysticks I've found awkward and annoying, particularly if the AF points are not red-lit. Therefore, I've been using the old two rotary dial method to move the AF point around. It's faster and less erratic. However, there is no free lunch there either. Since I shoot mostly in M exposure mode, sometimes I inadvertently change exposure when trying to move the AF point fast and shoot fast. I do not have a good countermeasure for that problem, although having well lit AF points would help. And so would a more robust and positive pushbutton for activating the AF point selection.
Alternatively, Canon should pay more attention to the joystick design. Those of us who photograph any sort of action would benefit from better method of moving AF points around fast and dependably.
