p.23 #1 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Norwegian prices (we don't really have deals in the same way as the US):
D750 - 17700 NOK
6D2 - 20300 NOK
But that is the pre-order price for the 6D. I still think the more appropriate comparison will be in a few months when the 6D2 price has stabilised.
Given my current investment in glass and experience in processing Canon files, i am not interested in switching systems. If i were to get more into landscape photography i'm sure i would be looking carefully at an A7, but it's not for me right now.
p.23 #2 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Scoobert wrote:
But you only lose that once, if at all. The other option is keep your savings on glass and always be 2-3 generations
behind all other camera bodies while canon continues to charge big bucks for the tiniest of improvements every 5 years.
It's like they sit around a board room asking their marketing team "what is the absolute least amount of improvements we can make and still get these people to fall for it?"
Which is why I am looking to go Sony hopefully with the A7iii and keep using my canon glass while I gradually shift into their eco system.
My first canon was an AE-1 with a power winder and I have bought nothing but them for 30 years. I didnt want to shift systems but canon has just flat out refused to come up to the times with their bodies.
I get it, they cant give the 6D(X) anything worth a crap because it might cut into the sales of the 5D(X). Sounds like great marketing to them as long you have suckers willing to pony up for tiny improvements every 5 years because they are locked into your glass.
To me it just says they gimped the 5D(X) to much when even a entry level camera with 1/8000 shutter is considered by them to be a threat to it....Show more →
So which of your Canon glass are you selling first ... hanging on to last
BTW ... that's an honest , i.e. not snarky.
I know a few folks who might be interested, depending on what you've got.
p.23 #3 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Lauchlan Toal wrote:
Not to detract from the 6DII which looks like a big step up from the 6D and likely a very capable camera, but the D750 is the same price and over the past several months has been on sale for anywhere from $200 to $500 less than the 6DII. It did cost more at launch though, so in a year or two the 6DII may reach the same or cheaper prices.
The D750 would be the natural choice for the place a 6D II will have in our system, if we were to start from scratch and would want Nikon for other reasons, or did have Nikon. As it is, it could just as well be a 6D II. So people are getting worked up because Canon has launched a competitive product, nothing more, nothing less?
p.23 #4 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
People quickly forget that the D750 was actually a more expensive camera on release and sales were so poor they had to drop the price significantly to get it to sell. Of course it is going to be better value than the 6D/6D2 - this is not about Canon making an inferior product but about Nikon not being able to sell their product until they discounted it.
p.23 #5 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Nikon set the D700 against the 5D II. Great camera but 12MP sensor and ISO 6400 only (but with NO banding). And no video. D750 the neccessary follow up came 6 years later in 2014. Way to late again. Two years after 5D III and 6D.
One year after its introduction the price tag of 6D was 25% less. I expect the same for 6D II.
p.23 #6 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Mikehit wrote:
People quickly forget that the D750 was actually a more expensive camera on release and sales were so poor they had to drop the price significantly to get it to sell. Of course it is going to be better value than the 6D/6D2 - this is not about Canon making an inferior product but about Nikon not being able to sell their product until they discounted it.
And the 6D cost $2100 on release, yet now sells for $1400. Was it also an inferior product that didn't sell anything until discounted, or do prices simply go down as cameras age?
Frankly, I'm impressed that the 6DII costs less than the 6D did on release, and I'm sure whatever succeeds the D750 will cost more than the 6DII as well, especially since that line's more targeted in the 5D range. While the 6DII isn't going to blow the current competition away, it's a nice option for people who have a Canon system currently and want a new full frame camera that won't totally break the bank.
Jul 04, 2017 at 04:57 PM
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p.23 #7 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
I don't know how people could possibly be so butt-hurt by my comments. I haven't told anyone they shouldn't buy this camera, or that they should buy something else. Mentioning it lacking anything compared to the competition is apparently tantamount to attacking or assaulting someone, holy crap. Every system has is downsides; Canon's are just intentional, which is why people are making comparisons to other cameras. Why go so nuts defending blatant or intentional flaws in a camera when every almost every camera has its flaws? There's nothing wrong with admitting a flaw... especially when it doesn't even necessarily have any impact on your own use.
p.23 #8 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
RustyBug wrote:
So which of your Canon glass are you selling first ... hanging on to last
BTW ... that's an honest , i.e. not snarky.
I know a few folks who might be interested, depending on what you've got.
At first I will be selling none since they can all be used with adapters. How well the A7iii does with the adapters will determine which sony/ziess lenses I buy. But I would imagine the 24-70 2.8 first one to go. The last i want to let go of would be the 70-200 IS ii, but might all change depending on how good the sony 70-200 GM is
p.23 #9 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Everythingis1 wrote:
I don't know how people could possibly be so butt-hurt by my comments.
You just don't get it, do you? Even using the term 'butt-hurt' is inflamatory and unnecessary. It marks you out as an aggressive 12-year-old raised without manners - an archetypal Internet brat.
How about focusing on the topic at hand without resorting to DPReview parlance?
Jul 04, 2017 at 08:18 PM
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p.23 #10 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Paul Mo wrote:
You just don't get it, do you? Even using the term 'butt-hurt' is inflamatory and unnecessary. It marks you out as an aggressive 12-year-old raised without manners - an archetypal Internet brat.
How about focusing on the topic at hand without resorting to DPReview parlance?
I see, so you respond with an ad hominem attack. Wow, don't mention 4k video when talking about a Canon camera or people will go ballistic and perform massive mental gymnastics instead of just saying "Yeah it's to bad, but I don't use video anyways".
p.23 #11 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Everythingis1 wrote:
"Yeah it's to bad, but I don't use video anyways".
Which is what a WHOLE BUNCH of people tried to suggest (albeit different words) that it was of no consequence to them, nor was it expected for an entry level FF ... and yet, it was followed by the contention that folks were somehow wrong in their thinking (i.e. not 4K video for future, etc.) and called everything from sheep to battered spouses to not normal to not rational to crazy to insane, etc.
The main difference seems to be that some people seem bent on getting folks to characterize it as a FLAW from Canon ... and bent on getting others to agree with the perspective of it being a FLAW. I don't see it being a flaw anymore than I see Big Mac not having filet mignon as being a flaw with McDonalds.
It was a product design choice by a manufacturer, with their perspective of what might generate sales of this model and how it might be coordinated with their other models. This is NORMAL manufacturing in everything from cameras to cars. What a manufacture decides to bring to market ... umm, that's their call for which their bottom line will reflect the wisdom or folly of their decisions.
We get to decide how to spend our $$$ ... that's our prerogative. They get to decide what to bring to market ... that's their prerogative. Don't like it, don't buy it. I realize that this requires a bit of consideration to the realm of business & manufacturing beyond the "I want everything for nothing" and "manufacturers are bad" mentality ... but that is the reality of manufacturing.
To that end, I'm not going to fault Canon (nor any other mfr) for bringing a product to market that contains within it a shared responsibility to themselves and their shareholders ... and to a degree that includes any one of us who might have money in a mutual fund, pension plan, etc. that has Canon holdings as well. While there will always be an intertwined relationship in a marketplace between the producer of goods and the purchaser of goods ... a conscious development of a product entails much more than the simplistic perspective that they are intentionally crippling a product to force the consumer into a different product.
This includes both cost to produce, and projections of anticipated market response. Companies are in the business of business ... and Canon isn't the only company to have a strategized product line. As such, even if they have strategized how to incorporate the 6D2 into their product line ... it is really what I would expect them to do. It isn't a FLAW ... it is BUSINESS.
At the end of the day, it gets really, really simple. They make it ... I either like it and buy it, or I don't. Nothing more, nothing less.
p.23 #12 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Paul Mo wrote:
Can we please stick to rationally discussing the tech in question?
dhphoto wrote:
Time to lock this up
jcolwell wrote:
Probably right. Unfortunately, having this thread locked by Fred would be considered a "win" by the posters who have brought it to this point.
Fred could lock the offender(s) for a while rather than the thread.
Not that I want a 6D II, but it looks to be a worthy upgrade to the 6D. That is its purpose.
p.23 #13 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
What I never will understand is why ALL camera companies introduce "new" bodies without showing the (imo) most important item: IQ
6D had (and maybe still has) one of the best sensors ever (again imo). Its high ISO capabilities (6400 up to 25k) in combination with the highest sensitiv/accurate center AF made it a low light monster tool for my purposes (people and events).
So concerning its follow up 6D II I am interested most in how the new sensor with its higher resolution in combination with the new digic 7 renders low light situations (25k - 40k) in comparison to 6D/5D IV/1DX II/D750. The official introduction pics offered by Canon again show a bunch of Iso 100 samples and some few 200/400. In this range ALL cameras work perfect (again for ME).
If somebody here finds any high ISO samples (except the only DPR ISO 6400 file I found) please share the link here in this thread.
p.23 #14 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Lauchlan Toal wrote:
And the 6D cost $2100 on release, yet now sells for $1400. Was it also an inferior product that didn't sell anything until discounted, or do prices simply go down as cameras age?
I didn't say it was an 'inferior product' - I said the D750 did not sell in significant numbers it was brought down to the price level of the 6D. All products drop in price after a while and the real test is launch price - the D750 is a higher spec camera and was more expensive on launch (as you'd expect), but what this really illustrates is that people on forums like this place way too much emphasis on spec sheets whereas the manufacturers are selling to a complete market and in that market, price is often a key factor.
p.23 #17 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Ralph Conway wrote:
Thank you "alundeb". Have not seen this before. Looks like 6D to me.
Conny
Did anybody find some "higher" samples?
I haven't yet. But I see that the jpegs that were posted have been "edited to taste" in PS.
"Note: It is important to keep in mind that my hands-on experience here was with a pre-production sample of the Canon 6D II and that all images in our gallery from Yellowstone were captured with a non-final camera. Further, all RAW processing was done with a beta version of Canon's Digital Photo Professional 4 software with the processed files then edited to taste in Adobe Photoshop. Full-resolution JPEG samples are available for you to view, but original RAW files are not."
Is this normal operating procedure for new camera releases?
p.23 #18 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
Mikehit wrote:
People quickly forget that the D750 was actually a more expensive camera on release and sales were so poor they had to drop the price significantly to get it to sell. Of course it is going to be better value than the 6D/6D2 - this is not about Canon making an inferior product but about Nikon not being able to sell their product until they discounted it.
Can you post your sales data source please, corresponding to price? Your assertion is unfounded without objective backup data. It's a 3 year old body with a replacement imminent which is why it's been discounted as of late. The natural cycle for almost any product is to price high at the start for early adopters, and slowly lower it or offer incentives over the rest of the cycle, peaking near end of life.
What matters is what people can buy on the day that they are going to buy something. If a 3 year old camera is still competitive, or even better in some areas, it doesn't matter that it used to have a higher launch price because it's a viable option at the time the customer is looking to buy. Had the 6D II been revolutionary and blown everyone's socks off for $1999, then it would be a different story. On top of that, as time goes on and technology progresses and trickles down from higher end models, it naturally becomes easier for companies to offer better technology for cheaper - every expectation would be for a 3-year newer body to offer more for less.
p.23 #19 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
All we have is the Amazon Top Selling ILC's list for a body breakdown in sales. It changes a lot but if you look at it over time you can get a sense of how well bodies do compared to the competition.
Considering they are going up against very popular bodies costing under $500 the FF contingent does quite well. Given the amount of hand wringing (myself included) about the 5D4 and now the 6D2 (preorder), both bodies seem to be doing very well. Once again, a testament to Canon's ability to gauge the consumer's tolerance for paying for upgrades. An ability that seems to ignore the forum user population.
p.23 #20 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II
CanadaMark wrote:
Can you post your sales data source please, corresponding to price? Your assertion is unfounded without objective backup data. It's a 3 year old body with a replacement imminent which is why it's been discounted as of late. The natural cycle for almost any product is to price high at the start for early adopters, and slowly lower it or offer incentives over the rest of the cycle, peaking near end of life.
What matters is what people can buy on the day that they are going to buy something. If a 3 year old camera is still competitive, or even better in some areas, it doesn't matter that it used to have a higher launch price because it's a viable option at the time the customer is looking to buy. Had the 6D II been revolutionary and blown everyone's socks off for $1999, then it would be a different story. On top of that, as time goes on and technology progresses and trickles down from higher end models, it naturally becomes easier for companies to offer better technology for cheaper - every expectation would be for a 3-year newer body to offer more for less. ...Show more →
I spoke with a DeWalt salesman when the yellow DeWalt line of tools hit the market. He said that originally the prices were a tad below what the other comparable tools were, and they sat on the shelves. They increased the prices by 15% across the board, same tools, and what do you know, they sold like hotcakes.
There's a lot of things that go into pricing that count out some of the logic that people apply to some of these items. I'm not saying that is the case here, I just know that the way prices are adjusted play into the marketing abilities of these items.
... hanging on to last 
