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 p.17 #12 · Official: Canon Announces the EOS 6D Mark II | |
RustyBug wrote:
You're starting to sound like Chez, trying to tell me what I should like.
Actually, no, I am not telling you what to like. Don't put words in my mouth. In fact, earlier in this discussion, I encouraged you to get the 6D2 because you are obviously trying to sell others on your rosy view of the camera.
RustyBug wrote:
... but the most simplistic thing I can say is that the Sony mirrorless cameras have terrible ergonomics that DON'T FIT MY HAND WORTH A DARN.
Then don't get a Sony. Get the 6D2. Only you can decide what is best for you.
RustyBug wrote:
And, as to you trying to condescendingly preach the Zeiss glass thing (which has ZERO bearing on the FF + 4K conversation) ... you have no way of knowing how much Zeiss glass I own...
I don't care how much Zeiss glass you own. If you weren't aware, Canon shooters tend to believe that there's only Canon glass in the universe. My point is that there are other options, and they are quite good. Moreover, you cannot shoot many other types of glass on Canon DSLR bodies, but you can on mirrorless bodies. You have evolved from fanboy to petulant child in short order.
RustyBug wrote:
FF + 4K video for $2,000 ... still looking for it.
You mean FF + 4K like the 5D4, which shoots video in crop (it's actually more like Super-35)? When Canon adds 4K to the 6D-line of cameras, you aren't going to get a readout from the entire sensor, you're gonna get the 5D4 treatment. There are PLENTY of 4K options for shooters for DSLR/mirrorless video: Fuji X-T2, Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II, Panasonic Lumix G7, Panasonic Lumix GH4, Panasonic Lumix GX80/GX85, Samsung NX1, Sony A6300, Sony A6500, Sony A7R2 ($2.2K), Sony a7S. There are more expensive options like the Leica SL, Sony A7S2, and Sony A9. The point is, it is 2017, and you won't get another 6D until 2022. Enjoy your 6D2.
RustyBug wrote:
The A7s was a "nice try", but we still haven't found the alleged evidence that validates / verifies that allegation that Canon is "insane" for having FF @ $2,000 without 4K video.
I don't need to validate or verify anything. Even if you aren't receptive to an alternative viewpoint, there are some who may be. Perhaps you could explain why you think this camera is worth $2K. If it was me, and I wanted to shoot Canon, I would just keep the 5D3 I recently sold. If I was on the 6Dx bandwagon, I would just shoot the 6D. I don't see a compelling reason to dump an existing camera when the "new" option is just a rehash of old tech and a few extra MPs. For me, this goes far beyond whether a camera has 4K or not. I shot Canon for years and frankly I got sick of the horrid banding, shadows replete with chroma noise and little to no resolved detail, soft and fuzzy images due to the AA filter, the great IQ when light was great but often garbage results when light went bad, and the obviously crippled bodies so that Canon could maintain market segmentation. I don't have these issues with my A7R2. I love the fact that there are camera manufacturers willing to throw everything they have into their cameras in order to be competitive. I really hope Canon gets there again because the market is better for us if all manufacturers innovate, including Canon.
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not to since ergonomics is probably one of the top 3 issue that keeps DSLR shooters from going mirrorless with Sony. The extra real estate of a diff format body would afford Sony, not only the opportunity to address the ergonomic issues, but it would also have afforded them additional opportunities for power / heat dissipation / battery improvements as well.