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Archive 2017 · Voigtlander E-mount 35mm 1.4, 40mm 1.2, 65mm f2 in Development

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p.2 #1 · p.2 #1 · Voigtlander E-mount 35mm 1.4, 40mm 1.2, 65mm f2 in Development

LightShow wrote:
The 65/2 APO Macro will go nicely with my Leica R 100 APO Macro and 180/3.4 APO if it can beat my R 60 Macro... then a rereleased 125 APO Macro!

The 40/1.2 is interesting, much smaller than the 35/1.2, if the 40/1.2 is as good, it will be great fun!
On the other hand I do wish it was APO too, f2 would have been acceptable as well.

Who knows if its APO. Voigtlander branded lenses only get called APO if they are longer than normal, whatever their colour correction is like. Better recent short lenses like the 1.7/35 seem as apochromatic as some lenses described as APO.

Feb 22, 2017 at 11:19 PM

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p.2 #2 · p.2 #2 · Voigtlander E-mount 35mm 1.4, 40mm 1.2, 65mm f2 in Development

This also tells me not to expect a 35/2 from Sony or Zeiss any time in the next year or two...

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Feb 22, 2017 at 11:23 PM

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p.2 #3 · p.2 #3 · Voigtlander E-mount 35mm 1.4, 40mm 1.2, 65mm f2 in Development

Mathieu18 wrote:
Yea, just a hunch (but a good one) that the 35 is an adapted 35/1.4, since it's not highly corrected wide open didn't change a ton. The 40/1.2 is probably an adapted 35/1.2 that got a bit longer when corrected for the Sony sensor stack. That would indeed be a pretty exciting lens.

Have you ever shot the 35/1.2? It's fun... Bery useable wide open too.

I doubt the 40 is an adapted 1.2/35. 15% is more than you would get from just correcting for the stack, i think. And as soon as you make a few changes you may as well let your design software do it from scratch, taking into account currently available aspheric elements and types of glass. But of course im only guessing. But if it is a brand new design, as good say as the 1.7/35 from f1.7 itll be pretty compelling. And 10 blades!

Feb 22, 2017 at 11:30 PM

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p.2 #4 · p.2 #4 · Voigtlander E-mount 35mm 1.4, 40mm 1.2, 65mm f2 in Development

Well, 35 doesn't have to be 35 and 40 doesn't have to be 40. They could have intentionally differentiated, or it could have gotten longer enough they decided to go 40. That's a special design, I don't see it coming from scratch.

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I doubt its an adapted 1.2/35. 15% is more than you would get from just correcting for the stack, i think. And as soon as you make a few changes you may as well let your design software do it from scratch, taking into account currently available aspheric elements and types of glass. But of course im only guessing. But if it is a brand new design, as good say as the 1.7/35 from f1.7 itll be pretty compelling. And 10 blades!

Feb 22, 2017 at 11:33 PM

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p.2 #5 · p.2 #5 · Voigtlander E-mount 35mm 1.4, 40mm 1.2, 65mm f2 in Development

I wish the industry would adopt a "no printing on the front retaining rings of macro lenses" rule, but I'm still very interested in the 65.

I wonder how closely related the 40 is to their current M-mount 35/1.2II. If it's as close as I suspect, then @Fred Miranda, it'll be decently center-sharp wide open and the bokeh will tend to be harsh until its stopped down to about f/2.8.

Feb 22, 2017 at 11:33 PM

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p.2 #6 · p.2 #6 · Voigtlander E-mount 35mm 1.4, 40mm 1.2, 65mm f2 in Development

True enough. If they badically added a correction element or made some spacing change and it got to 37 they might just call it 40. But unless they have a lot of inventory of elements from the older one around, the savings from adaptation arent that huge. So I hope its new, but of course we have to wait and see.

Mathieu18 wrote:
Well, 35 doesn't have to be 35 and 40 doesn't have to be 40. They could have intentionally differentiated, or it could have gotten longer enough they decided to go 40. That's a special design, I don't see it coming from scratch.

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Feb 22, 2017 at 11:47 PM

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p.2 #7 · p.2 #7 · Voigtlander E-mount 35mm 1.4, 40mm 1.2, 65mm f2 in Development

The 40 looks a lot shorter than the 35mm f1.2, but maybe that's just me

Feb 22, 2017 at 11:48 PM

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p.2 #8 · p.2 #8 · Voigtlander E-mount 35mm 1.4, 40mm 1.2, 65mm f2 in Development

Feb 22, 2017 at 11:52 PM

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p.2 #9 · p.2 #9 · Voigtlander E-mount 35mm 1.4, 40mm 1.2, 65mm f2 in Development

trogdon wrote:
The 40 looks a lot shorter than the 35mm f1.2, but maybe that's just me

It probably is. Maybe thinner, too. I didn't say they just stuffed the optics in a new housing, but I'm betting their designs are similar enough that IQ comparisons will be equally similar.

Feb 22, 2017 at 11:54 PM

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p.2 #10 · p.2 #10 · Voigtlander E-mount 35mm 1.4, 40mm 1.2, 65mm f2 in Development

A little more news:
Somone translated the Japanese text in comments at http://photorumors.com/2017/02/22/cosina-announced-the-development-of-three-new-full-frame-voigtlander-lenses-for-sony-e-mount/

The Cosina press release explicitly says that the 1.4/35 is based on the old one modifed for sony stack, but doesnt say anything about the 40. Weak evidence, but some evidence, that the 40 is a new design.

MAubrey wrote:
The 40mm f/1.2 looks too short relative to the mount to be based on the 35mm f/1.2.

Feb 23, 2017 at 12:00 AM

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p.2 #11 · p.2 #11 · Voigtlander E-mount 35mm 1.4, 40mm 1.2, 65mm f2 in Development

DavidBM wrote:
Who knows if its APO. Voigtlander branded lenses only get called APO if they are longer than normal, whatever their colour correction is like.

What's your evidence to support this claim?

Feb 23, 2017 at 12:04 AM

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p.2 #12 · p.2 #12 · Voigtlander E-mount 35mm 1.4, 40mm 1.2, 65mm f2 in Development

Which claim?
That only long CV lenses for FF have ever been branded APO?
Just look at their history. Maybe there are some post Cosina lenses for ff branded APO that i dont know about, but as far as I know there are only, before this new one, the 90, 125 and 180 APO lanthars.

The other claim was that the 1.7/35 was more or less APO. Now the problem with that claim of course is that there is no agreed definition of how exactly the different colours have to focus in the same plane to count as apochromatic; its only ever meant 'less LoCA and LaCA and SLoCA than comparable lenses". But the 1.7/35 has less visible CA than the APO lanthar 180, which is nonetheless pretty good.

I think historically APO stickers appear on long lenses more often just because, until recently, chromatic abberations were worse in many longer lenses and people wanted to know they had been mitigated.

LightShow wrote:
What's your evidence to support this claim?

Feb 23, 2017 at 12:17 AM

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p.2 #13 · p.2 #13 · Voigtlander E-mount 35mm 1.4, 40mm 1.2, 65mm f2 in Development

awesome! 40/1.2 and quite small, hopefully it draws nicer than voigtlanders current faster than f/1.4 lenses.

Feb 23, 2017 at 12:32 AM

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p.2 #14 · p.2 #14 · Voigtlander E-mount 35mm 1.4, 40mm 1.2, 65mm f2 in Development

Looking forward to the 40/1.2. 40mm is my favorite general walk around focal length.

Hopefully it's 42.5 mp sharp across the frame stopped down a bit from wide open, has great sun stars, and can be pointed into the sun without flare issues .

Feb 23, 2017 at 01:52 AM

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p.2 #15 · p.2 #15 · Voigtlander E-mount 35mm 1.4, 40mm 1.2, 65mm f2 in Development

sebboh wrote:
awesome! 40/1.2 and quite small, hopefully it draws nicer than voigtlanders current faster than f/1.4 lenses.

I've dreamed of a fast and high performing 40 for quite some time. I'll probably give this one a Chance. The only lens that could hold me back would be a Batis 1.8/35 or 1.8/40, but I think that this is not going to happen in the next time.

Currently, I am using the OM 2/40, but it's wide open rendering could be a little smoother. Stopped down, it's quite impressive.

Feb 23, 2017 at 02:18 AM

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p.2 #16 · p.2 #16 · Voigtlander E-mount 35mm 1.4, 40mm 1.2, 65mm f2 in Development

I love 40mm lens, but i think 40mm lens has to be a pancake and not double whopper. Half size and 1.4 or 1.8 would be better for me, but lets see...

Feb 23, 2017 at 02:19 AM

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p.2 #17 · p.2 #17 · Voigtlander E-mount 35mm 1.4, 40mm 1.2, 65mm f2 in Development

rsrsrs wrote:
I love 40mm lens, but i think 40mm lens has to be a pancake and not double whopper. Half size and 1.4 or 1.8 would be better for me, but lets see...

It looks quite small in my opinion, especially compared to the brighter AF 35s out there.

Feb 23, 2017 at 02:26 AM

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p.2 #18 · p.2 #18 · Voigtlander E-mount 35mm 1.4, 40mm 1.2, 65mm f2 in Development

I'm also interested in the 40. Hopefully it draws more like the 35/1.7 (which is the 35 they really should have modified for the sensor stack) than the 35/1.2.

Feb 23, 2017 at 02:41 AM

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p.2 #19 · p.2 #19 · Voigtlander E-mount 35mm 1.4, 40mm 1.2, 65mm f2 in Development

If they are optically the same as the M-mount lenses than I would thought that you would be better off with one of them and the Techart adapter as then you get AF as well

Feb 23, 2017 at 03:13 AM

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p.2 #20 · p.2 #20 · Voigtlander E-mount 35mm 1.4, 40mm 1.2, 65mm f2 in Development

Same here. The 40mm beckons, to fill the gap betwee my 28 and my 55. Besides, I am a bokeh slut.

Feb 23, 2017 at 03:38 AM

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