p.14 #1 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Taylor Sherman wrote:
Well, given that the sensor is barely visible behind the mount, I'd say they've committed to this size and nothing larger.
Since mediumformat starts at 6x4.5 this would be some sort of supersized fullframe. Just like the latest Pentax...
p.14 #2 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Looks interesting, I was looking into a C500 with a digital back a while back, but dismissed it due to cost of a decent back and the quirky patchwork of parts not really working seamlessly.
This looks closer to what I could actually be tempted to get, but if only it could adapt lenses easily I'd be dreaming of the day I could get one, as it is now, I'm not really interested in being locked into their lens system.
So, my quest for a technical add-on(a more compact version of the Cambo Actus but with more movements) to my A7r will continue.
p.14 #4 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
artificialyello wrote:
Since mediumformat starts at 6x4.5 this would be some sort of supersized fullframe. Just like the latest Pentax...
That is normally considered the smallest medium format film size. No medium format cameras have a digital sensor that large. I believe the largest digital sensor for a medium format camera is the Phase One and the like with a sensor size of 40.4 X 53.9mm. The sensor size of the Hasselblad is the same size as the Pentax 645D with a sensor size of 33 X 44mm.
p.14 #5 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
I'm still shocked by how this MF camera is small and light. It's only a mere 100g more than the Sony A7RII. For those upgrading from the A7RII, two very useful features would be missed...articulated LCD and IBIS.
They are also pretty comparable in size. See this:
p.14 #6 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
I've been wondering how Canon and Nikon will react to the X1D as far as their Mirrorless plans go.
Canon: "Oh F#%&.... Now we must put out a pro level Mirrorless as an answer to this"
<Throws EOS M4 across R&D lab>
p.14 #7 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
naturephoto1 wrote:
That is normally considered the smallest medium format film size. No medium format cameras have a digital sensor that large. I believe the largest digital sensor for a medium format camera is the Phase One and the like with a sensor size of 40.4 X 53.9mm. The sensor size of the Hasselblad is the same size as the Pentax 645D with a sensor size of 33 X 44mm.
Rich
WADR, 40.4 etc is merely the trimed 4.5 etc... 33x44 is not much more than half of the traditional MF minimum and should thus not be considered as such. Sorry.
Edit: I'd like to ad that (33x44)/(24x36)=1.7 , which means that this ”MF” camera got LESS than twice the sensor area than a ”FF” Canon or Nikon. :-/
p.14 #8 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Fred Miranda wrote:
The new XCD lenses cost much less than similar HC and HCD lenses.
For example, the HC 50/3.5 II costs twice as much as the new XCD 45/3.5. One possible reason for the price difference is that HC and HCD lenses are truly mechanical lenses. The new XCD lenses have a simpler design without any focusing markings on the barrel (focus by wire) and cover a smaller image circle. Hasselblad also wants to be price conscious to semi-pros and enthusiasts hoping they will upgrade from their full frame cameras.
I don't disagree with any of this, but I think it's important to remember the HC and HCD's have a minimum requirement of a 70mm image circle to cover the largest sensor with which they might be used. The XCD lenses have a 55mm minimum IC and that's all they'll ever have to cover, since there's no chance Hassy is squeezing in a larger sensor. I don't know that there is any real manufacturing savings in designing lenses with a smaller IC, but the industry certainly prices as though there is, so I would expect these to be less expensive.
Overall, though, I just think it's a bad assumption to see a few pictures of the lenses and assume they're of a lower build quality, especially since the HC and HCD lenses aren't anything special in that department. The Phase Schneiders are better built and have a better manual response, but none of them feel as solid as the old manual lenses. And it's kind of pointless that the best of them have quiet central shutters, because it's not like you'd be able to hear it over the AF noise and the mirror slap.
I'm just saying, let's wait for Roger or someone to tear one down and show us how bad they are before we make any judgements.
p.14 #9 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
The more I learn, the more I have to be honest with myself: If I could stomach the cost, I'd pick this up to shoot alongside my A7rII. The A7rII would be necessary due to IBIS and lens options at this point.
Getting MF digital at this price-- and this size!-- is remarkable. The two native lenses would be fine for me.
p.14 #11 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
phuang3 wrote:
Speaking of the shutter. If X1D supports video, the electronic shutter for still image shouldn't be a problem. If it only supports leaf-shutter lens, I think I will pass. 1/2000 is simply not enough for me.
Thats one point that has me worried as well for a compact camera. One would think it would be for travel. I travel to sunny places. Even with their slow f/3.5 lenses, 2000th of a second isn't fast enough in some instances.
An electronic shutter option would be great. Thus far I haven't had issues with the electronic shutter for the way I shoot.
p.14 #12 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
It looks great to me. I like the slim body, the simplicity of the controls, the great sensor and the low weight. All are very attractive elements of a walk around MF qua Mamiya 6 or Plaubel Makina. In fact it is smaller and lighter than either ... exept for the lens.
The most critical dimension for an easy carry is the depth of the camera - from the back to the front of the lens, which is why the folding convenience of the Mamiya and Plaubel were really useful. This isn't a folding camera, but I still think it would be possible to design a shorter standard lens, maybe not pancake but closer to pancake if it were MF rather than AF, perhaps with some sort of collapsing mechanism in the lens itself.
It makes sense to bring the camera out with the two lenses that it has, but an MF collapsible lens (40/2 equivalent) to follow would be wonderful. Please.
p.14 #13 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
For me and what I would use this for all the virtues that I have today in the Sony A7rII I would only need a couple of them for this camera as I would still need the Sony around for fast AF PR type shooting. I would keep my Sony and my two GM lenses but I would sell off all my manual glass and use the Hassy as more a landscape , travel package and maybe some commercial work as well. I would really only would be interested in good manual focusing with at least a zoom or magnify feature. I don't expect this to be screaming fast AF and that's okay I'm more about accuracy but this sounds like center point focus and recompose technique. I have a Rx1 II and I love this little camera , I kind of equate this Hassy to that but with interchangeable lenses. This cam may not do it all and honestly not sure I expect it too but for certain things it is perfect. One is the long exposure times you can do with it over the Sony. For landscape shooting this is a biggy so I see it having a place in my kit but I need to compliment the two systems together or it would not work fully for me. But regardless I love the idea of it actually it's something I always wanted was a much more compact fluid MF camera the alternates like a tech cam ven though I got outstanding images from it left me artistically a little cold as you always shot at F8 or F11 because you where always tripod bound and they are just not fluid cameras and the normal DSLR MF bodies was the same issue tripod bound as they where just not great handheld or more work oriented. This looks like a much less cumbersome package to deal with and more like a Sony RXrII II mentality type camera. I shot a ton of MF gear actually almos everything made and to me I would much rather spend the money on this if I wanted to get back into MF as this would be the type of camera I would want.
It's not going to beat anything as far as speed and some functionality and you have understand and accept that going in. It's really dumbing down shooting to a much more simplistic approach. It certainly has a place in a lot of folks bags but you need to keep these speed expect ions down its not a spray and pray type cam far from it . It's going to be a nice simple cam that puts you in the drivers seat but it gives you the freedom to move with it. Most MF products do not do that. To me this is fun to shoot, but I'm old school and I like the simplistic approach . That's my gut feeling about this cam. I love the idea of it and love to have it and I look forward to testing it at some point and see if it fits me.
p.14 #14 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
But I should ad I'm not doing any major moves till after and if anything great comes out of Photokinia. Im sitting on my buy fingers till than. First morning espresso comments . I get to three who knows. Lol
p.14 #15 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
GMPhotography wrote:
For me and what I would use this for all the virtues that I have today in the Sony A7rII I would only need a couple of them for this camera as I would still need the Sony around for fast AF PR type shooting. I would keep my Sony and my two GM lenses but I would sell off all my manual glass and use the Hassy as more a landscape , travel package and maybe some commercial work as well. I would really only would be interested in good manual focusing with at least a zoom or magnify feature. I don't expect this to be screaming fast AF and that's okay I'm more about accuracy but this sounds like center point focus and recompose technique. I have a Rx1 II and I love this little camera , I kind of equate this Hassy to that but with interchangeable lenses. This cam may not do it all and honestly not sure I expect it too but for certain things it is perfect. One is the long exposure times you can do with it over the Sony. For landscape shooting this is a biggy so I see it having a place in my kit but I need to compliment the two systems together or it would not work fully for me. But regardless I love the idea of it actually it's something I always wanted was a much more compact fluid MF camera the alternates like a tech cam ven though I got outstanding images from it left me artistically a little cold as you always shot at F8 or F11 because you where always tripod bound and they are just not fluid cameras and the normal DSLR MF bodies was the same issue tripod bound as they where just not great handheld or more work oriented. This looks like a much less cumbersome package to deal with and more like a Sony RXrII II mentality type camera. I shot a ton of MF gear actually almos everything made and to me I would much rather spend the money on this if I wanted to get back into MF as this would be the type of camera I would want.
It's not going to beat anything as far as speed and some functionality and you have understand and accept that going in. It's really dumbing down shooting to a much more simplistic approach. It certainly has a place in a lot of folks bags but you need to keep these speed expect ions down its not a spray and pray type cam far from it . It's going to be a nice simple cam that puts you in the drivers seat but it gives you the freedom to move with it. Most MF products do not do that. To me this is fun to shoot, but I'm old school and I like the simplistic approach . That's my gut feeling about this cam. I love the idea of it and love to have it and I look forward to testing it at some point and see if it fits me....Show more →
Hi Guy,
At this point, I do not see Hasselblad offering any manual focus lenses for this camera unless it is a Tilt and Shift Lens. I also question any 3rd pary offerings for manual forcus lenses but it may be possible. The only maual focus lenses that I can foresee are for adapted lenses either from Haaselblad or other makers.
p.14 #16 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
freaklikeme wrote:
I don't disagree with any of this, but I think it's important to remember the HC and HCD's have a minimum requirement of a 70mm image circle to cover the largest sensor with which they might be used. The XCD lenses have a 55mm minimum IC and that's all they'll ever have to cover, since there's no chance Hassy is squeezing in a larger sensor. I don't know that there is any real manufacturing savings in designing lenses with a smaller IC, but the industry certainly prices as though there is, so I would expect these to be less expensive.
Overall, though, I just think it's a bad assumption to see a few pictures of the lenses and assume they're of a lower build quality, especially since the HC and HCD lenses aren't anything special in that department. The Phase Schneiders are better built and have a better manual response, but none of them feel as solid as the old manual lenses. And it's kind of pointless that the best of them have quiet central shutters, because it's not like you'd be able to hear it over the AF noise and the mirror slap.
I'm just saying, let's wait for Roger or someone to tear one down and show us how bad they are before we make any judgements....Show more →
Just looking at the weight of the smaller 45, which is listed at 475g/16.7oz at B&H, I would guess these lenses are fairly robust given the slow speed and small size. Are they going to feel like the old Hasselblad C lenses, no way but they are almost certainly better than say most current mirrorless lenses (particularly when one considers the speed and size).
p.14 #17 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
naturephoto1 wrote:
Hi Guy,
At this point, I do not see Hasselblad offering any manual focus lenses for this camera unless it is a Tilt and Shift Lens. I also question any 3rd pary offerings for manual forcus lenses but it may be possible. The only maual focus lenses that I can foresee are for adapted lenses either from Haaselblad or other makers.
Rich
I'm hoping even though they are fly by wire they are good at manual focus like my GMs are. Not like the 35 2.8 or even the 55 or Batis glass. I like feel at least the GM glass has nice manual feel to them as they don't act like some of the other lenses Sony made. Another good one is the 35 1.4. So Sony does have some nice feel manual focus lenses , I'm hoping these are the same otherwise it will turn me off.
p.14 #18 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Just looking at the weight of the smaller 45, which is listed at 475g/16.7oz at B&H, I would guess these lenses are fairly robust given the slow speed and small size. Are they going to feel like the old Hasselblad C lenses, no way but they are almost certainly better than say most current mirrorless lenses (particularly when one considers the speed and size).
That's my thoughts to Tariq . I think these will have good manual focus feel to them
p.14 #19 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
I'm glad Hasselblad has actually decided to something of value for photographers instead of trying to sell jewelry bling to rich people. The prices seem reasonable and reachable for working photographers, the size perfect and lenses very sensible, both the focal lengths and not being very fast and thus relatively small. If there was a good 25mm f/4.5 lens I'd be thinking hard of how to finance an X1D. It could be the camera that puts Hasselblad back to the place it belongs.
p.14 #20 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
They did say a 30mm is coming as well. Not sure timing but I think they said September. Most likely Photokinia time frame. This could be a interesting Photokinia. One reason Sony has sold this sensor for awhile now. Actually I tested the Leaf Credo 50 back in November of 2014. That will be 2 years come around Photokinia, my thinking is Sonys contracts with who they sold these sensors too are about over and can use it themselves now. I would not have a heart attack if Sony did almost the same thing. I'm almost expecting it.
