p.12 #1 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
I honestly don't think 16b vs 14b really makes any difference at all - there are at least two "marketing bits" in there. However, not doing idiotic things while compressing 14b or 16b data should be worthwhile
Not my camera, but certainly great to see "mirrorless" come to larger sensor sizes. I really wonder how practical it is to most of the market though. The A7R and II are very versatile because you can adapt to much to them. Without the focal plane shutter, or without a *really good* electronic shutter, it seems this system will be pretty handicapped right from the start being stuck with the few native lenses or gigantic adapted H lenses.
On the flip side this does seem like a potential life saver for Hasselblad as it is an actual useful and interesting camera photographers as opposed to a rebranded consumer camera with wood or costume jewelry glued to it.
And yes, I agree MF is not about shallow DoF silliness. Ironically my m43 kit provides shallower DoF than this new system right now!
p.12 #2 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
snapsy wrote:
It doesn't have a FP shutter but does anyone know if it has a fully-electronic shutter that can at least be used in some shooting scenarios?
I'd love to be wrong but I highly doubt it, it's very hard to implement in a larger sensor, we've only recently seen the first 35mm sensor with electronic shutter, I think the MF fully electronic shutter will be a few iterations away.
p.12 #3 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
16bit vs 14bit is all marketing. Noticed all the medium format camera with low DR sensors advertise 16bit and most of them are now adopting higher DR Sony sensors.
DoF is one thing, but I have not found a lens for FF 35 that could produce the smooth graduated falloff I saw with f2.8 medium format lenses on a medium format body. Is it the lens or the sensor size? If I see it in the samples for this camera, I may put this on my wishlist.
p.12 #4 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
sflxn wrote:
DoF is one thing, but I have not found a lens for FF 35 that could produce the smooth graduated falloff I saw with f2.8 medium format lenses on a medium format body. Is it the lens or the sensor size?
Good question. I think that the Sony A7r2 + Sony 85mm GM combo may have some of that. Just IMHO.
p.12 #5 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
sflxn wrote:
16bit vs 14bit is all marketing. Noticed all the medium format camera with low DR sensors advertise 16bit and most of them are now adopting higher DR Sony sensors.
DoF is one thing, but I have not found a lens for FF 35 that could produce the smooth graduated falloff I saw with f2.8 medium format lenses on a medium format body. Is it the lens or the sensor size? If I see it in the samples for this camera, I may put this on my wishlist.
The 50APO is the only lens that reminds me of the medium format look.. And I say this after mentioning how much I dislike Leica as a company. Though I cannot deny the beauty of the 50APO.
p.12 #6 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
edwardkaraa wrote:
You can have my SL
Line up Edward.. He's gonna take mine. I'm gonna buy the Hassy! (Kidding.. I'll loose to much selling the SL)
Honestly, the only reason I don't take the Hassy is because they're represented by Shriro house in SG. And I haven't had the greatest experience with them. So I would prefer to buy from a brand that has good CS from here on out just because of all the non-sense I've put up with owning Leica gear.
Though after watching the video Fred posted, I'm quite tempted by the size of it!
p.12 #7 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
edwardkaraa wrote:
Yes it seems there is no focal plane shutter unfortunately.
But the lenses are really affordable, smallish, have AF, and having central shutters, they can be used at really low shutter speeds, and practically silent.
I think I found my ideal camera!
Not letting the SL go yet, but if it's as good as advertised, I think hasselblad hit a home run with this one.
There are certainly advantages to a central shutter and disadvantages to focal plane once you start working with larger sensors in smaller bodies, so I can't say I'm surprised. And I'm sure not including it helped keep the price and weight of the camera down.
It looks like a great camera, even if it's not a killer alt platform. For my uses, though, the 50c DB (that gets cheaper on the used market every day) and a handful of Rollei electronic shutters is still the most workable solution.
p.12 #8 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
As much as I'd enjoy pre-ordering, will wait and see what others' real-world experience have to say. Another factor is that first gen like this is usually just that, so waiting on second gen could pay dividends.
Well guys/gals, think i'll sit this one out and wait for next gen improvements as field use gives Hasselblad feedback for further refinements. Was hoping for more that would knock my socks off (am ok with the price point and have funds ready).
p.12 #11 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
flash wrote:
Oh, I think it will shake up the market all right. I think this will be the start of where MF cameras will go. Fuji, Pentax and Sony might release their own versions. They might have to if they don't want H to get a market dominating lead, just like Sony did. If H release a 19, 24, 50 and 90mm as well then they have a very usable system at a price hard to beat. As much as I like the Leica SL (and still think it's a better idea) this will be a camera a lot of photographers will look at as an alternative to a top Canikon. Portable. Huge resolution. Nikon compatible TTL and leaf shutter lenses.
Just because I want lenses from 20-200mm (equiv) doesn't mean others won't be perfectly happy to stitch, etc. Make me a 24mm and 100mm equiv and I might consider it as a light weight travel it.
Luminous Landscape has some nice pictures showing the size of the camera in the hand.
I think Sony & Japan Inc are orchestrating the release of these larger Mpx sensors in various camera packages (for the pro-sumers). Sony went first (or second?) with the A7RII/RX1RII, then the 50Mp (Pentax?) & the Hassy package (Nittoh gets the lenses, who designed the body?). Next is Fuji? Then Nikon D8x0?
Just speculating because these camera packages while exciting aren't going to get to my price trigger until CaNikon begin to manufacture/service in quantity. For me, a Nikon Df2 with 42Mp BSI would be exciting packaging.
p.12 #12 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
molson wrote:
I wonder why Hasselblad stopped using Fuji to design and manufacture their lenses? Is the yen going up in value or something?
Its a great question. All I can think about on the political side of that is Hassy has been fighting a big huge PR issue over that for years on who is building what and where. Internet flora pulled the day on that crap. Hassy unfortunately got the worst of that and really for no good reason either. OEMs get stuff from all over the world but for some strange reason, Hassy took a lot of heat over it. If you saw the video this morning it was a big point about it too. This is a old battle wound I think Hassy wanted to clear up going forward on these lenses which i believe is Nitto as the builder of them. People put far to much emphasis on location of build than than the process itself. We need to remember we live and breath in a global world.
p.12 #14 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
leetmode wrote:
To much talk, not enough sample photos!
Unfortunately the sample photos Hasselblad had for the launch were pretty awful at showing off the abilities of the camera and painfully average in general.
p.12 #15 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Matt Grum wrote:
Unfortunately the sample photos Hasselblad had for the launch were pretty awful at showing off the abilities of the camera and painfully average in general.
Than it must be great because they all do the same thing. I can NEVER understand this. Its beyond me why
p.12 #16 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Fred Miranda wrote:
Great point Gordon.
We only have 2 compact lenses right now (45 and 90mm). The adapter will be very big for H lenses and as you wrote, H lenses are not compact themselves. There are rumors of a 30mm lens by September (24mm full frame equiv.), which would be great news for landscape photographers. We'll see.
Perhaps an electronic shutter could be implemented in firmware ala A7RII's 'silent shutter' but I'm not holding my breath.
The Hasselblad XCD 45mm and 90mm lenses MTF graphs look great!
Electronic Shutter!! I didn't think of that. If they do I'll have no resistance at all.....
But that might be the real *game changer* if the could pull that off.
p.12 #18 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
molson wrote:
I wonder why Hasselblad stopped using Fuji to design and manufacture their lenses? Is the yen going up in value or something?
GMPhotography wrote:
Its a great question. All I can think about on the political side of that is Hassy has been fighting a big huge PR issue over that for years on who is building what and where. Internet flora pulled the day on that crap. Hassy unfortunately got the worst of that and really for no good reason either. OEMs get stuff from all over the world but for some strange reason, Hassy took a lot of heat over it. If you saw the video this morning it was a big point about it too. This is a old battle wound I think Hassy wanted to clear up going forward on these lenses which i believe is Nitto as the builder of them. People put far to much emphasis on location of build than than the process itself. We need to remember we live and breath in a global world. ...Show more →
I had an interesting conversation with a wedding photographer over the weekend about Hasselblad, past and present. His point was that Hassy never made their own glass and everyone always knew they didn't. During their golden era, the lenses were Zeiss. While it was a great system, the image quality was directly attributable to Zeiss. Really, Hassy just made the box for the lenses to do their work. With the transition to Fuji, some of that cachet was lost. And optical characteristics changed, too (which of course would be the subject of endless Zeiss vs. Brand XYZ debates). Without doubt, Fuji makes great lenses. That's not in debate. But in this market niche, they don't have the cachet of Zeiss. Maybe the Zeiss-Sony partnership precludes partnerships with others, such as Hasselblad. This would be unfortunate because IMO, such a partnership would help Hasselblad a lot in the eyes of photographers. While the new lenses look to be very, very good, we all know they're not made by Hasselblad, rather by a relatively unknown company, even if they're supposedly designed by Hasselblad. (I wonder if this is the company that makes Leica's T system lenses?)
Seeing the specs finally now, I'm having the same feelings as after most product launches... a bit let down by the details. Of course, this is a subjective reaction based on my preferences... Still, it looks cool and hopefully will be a competent system that maybe eventually will become more alt friendly. Or, it will spur someone like Ricoh to run with the missed opportunity and release something more in line with what many of us were hoping to see. That said, I'm not too surprised to see it's so far a fairly closed system.
p.12 #19 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
GMPhotography wrote:
People put far to much emphasis on location of build than than the process itself. We need to remember we live and breath in a global world.
I can't speak for everyone but my issue isn't that I doubted the quality of Fuji lenses but rather that I doubted how they were *pricing* Fuji lenses.
From the glances in the one or two photos we have showing these lenses, the build standard actually seems *lower*, so I don't know what the strategy is really.
p.12 #20 · Official: Hasselblad X1D-50c Medium Format Mirrorless
Matt Grum wrote:
Unfortunately the sample photos Hasselblad had for the launch were pretty awful at showing off the abilities of the camera and painfully average in general.
The camera looks like a masterpiece. I don't need it, but would love to use it! But, yeh, the sample photos did not impress artistically. They looked very casual. Maybe there were technical reasons for choosing them.
