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p.47 #1 · Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review


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This lens has been kind of rare to see issues. Sure any zoom lens with all the elements can have them and this is no exception. I guess you could look at this two ways. A repair carries a repair warranty at least normally it does. Check on that so if it came back still messed up you can send it back in. Second option take the money and run than you can buy used off a forum member as we have seen a few on the board or bite the bullet add the 300 and get new. The lens
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Yes zooms are not often sexy or fun, but they're a god-send when you need a workhorse that gets the job done with nothing holding you back.




Oct 28, 2016 at 09:28 AM
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Chris_88 wrote:
I need some advice, gentlemen: As mentioned in the previous post, my mint condition 24-70 GM was very soft at 70mm. The store initially said they didn't see any problems, but they sent it in. Sony or a repair shop authorized by them, found the obvious, the lens was way off in the corners. I have been given the choice of getting my money back or getting the recalibrated lens back. What would you do?



This lens is big, heavy, and expensive.
And, I love it.

Having been burned before, I tested 5 of these before picking a winner, and my experience is that there are some bad/lesser copies out there. I think the consensus is that 70mm is not the strong point of this lens, though. Seems like the first step would be to figure out whether you got a bad/lesser copy and the second to figure out whether the capabilities of a good copy at 70mm is acceptable to you.

Maybe you could get a second, new copy from the store on your credit card (temporarily) to test side-by-side?



Oct 28, 2016 at 10:37 AM
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GMPhotography wrote:
This lens has been kind of rare to see issues. Sure any zoom lens with all the elements can have them and this is no exception. I guess you could look at this two ways. A repair carries a repair warranty at least normally it does. Check on that so if it came back still messed up you can send it back in. Second option take the money and run than you can buy used off a forum member as we have seen a few on the board or bite the bullet add the 300 and get new. The lens
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Thanks, Guy. You, Joshua and Fred are to blame for me even considering this lens in the first place .

Fun aside, I've found a good deal on a brand new 24-70 GM and will probably get that, after receiving the refund.

Parariss wrote:
This lens is big, heavy, and expensive.
And, I love it.

Having been burned before, I tested 5 of these before picking a winner, and my experience is that there are some bad/lesser copies out there. I think the consensus is that 70mm is not the strong point of this lens, though. Seems like the first step would be to figure out whether you got a bad/lesser copy and the second to figure out whether the capabilities of a good copy at 70mm is acceptable to you.

Maybe you could get a second, new copy from the store on your
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Thanks for your comments. I have owned two to three dozen Sony lenses and never saw anything quite as bad as this 24-70 GM in the outer frame. Mind you, I'm not a big lens tester and don't have the sharp eyes of many more experienced fellow FM'ers, but comparing 1-2 test shots with the 70-300G was enough to convince me that there was something wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect this lens to be a world beater, we're still talking about a zoom after all. Based on Fred and Guy's test results, the 70mm looks weaker than the excellent 24mm or 35mm performance, yes, but it still should be able to easily compete with the much cheaper and 70-300G zoom, which starts only at f4.5.That's my reference.



Oct 28, 2016 at 08:02 PM
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Well, Chris, that's good news! I would jump on a good deal of a brand new one, that's for sure.


Oct 28, 2016 at 08:18 PM
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Well, Chris, that's good news! I would jump on a good deal of a brand new one, that's for sure.


Thanks, Joshua. I'm still waiting to hear whether they actually have the lens on stock in that store. It looks like prices have come down a bit since I'd bought the used one, meaning I won't have to spend more money on a brand new copy.



Oct 28, 2016 at 10:11 PM
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Brief update, everyone: I got a brand new copy for a few dollars less than I'd paid for the used one. It'll arrive in 3-4 days. Fingers crossed, that I get a decent copy this time.


Oct 29, 2016 at 08:14 AM
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Great keep us posted


Oct 29, 2016 at 08:28 AM
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Chris_88 wrote:
Brief update, everyone: I got a brand new copy for a few dollars less than I'd paid for the used one. It'll arrive in 3-4 days. Fingers crossed, that I get a decent copy this time.


Great to hear that, Chris! I have confident that it will be a stellar copy.



Oct 29, 2016 at 10:03 AM
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Great to hear that, Chris! I have confident that it will be a stellar copy.


I don't think the GM and I are meant to be a pair. My new copy arrived today. It's not as bad as the first one, but the lower left side still looks pretty mushy even stopped down to f6.3 to f8. Even by f6.3 the 70-300G is superior.

I called the store. They had somebody from Sony call me. Long story short, I have to return the lens to the store, which will forward it to Sony for testing. I'm starting to feel like Guy when he went through all those 35 1.4's.



Nov 02, 2016 at 05:54 AM
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I'm feeling your pain. Hope this works out. Bummer


Nov 02, 2016 at 07:32 AM
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I'm feeling your pain. Hope this works out. Bummer


Thanks, Guy.

I'm slightly miffed because I've now been without a 35mm FL for 4-5 weeks already, which sucks. I can use my Loxia 21mm in crop-mode on the a7rii, but that isn't ideal either. I really hope that Sony doesn't get back to me telling me this is "normal".



Nov 02, 2016 at 08:49 AM
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I don't think the GM and I are meant to be a pair. My new copy arrived today. It's not as bad as the first one, but the lower left side still looks pretty mushy even stopped down to f6.3 to f8. Even by f6.3 the 70-300G is superior.

I called the store. They had somebody from Sony call me. Long story short, I have to return the lens to the store, which will forward it to Sony for testing. I'm starting to feel like Guy when he went through all those 35 1.4's.


Bummer! I shot one in the store the other day. I haven't looked very carefully at these images but will do so. Good luck.



Nov 02, 2016 at 09:06 AM
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p.47 #13 · Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review


In the meantime I am shooting with my new GM 24-70 without looking for problems. You will never ever find the perfect copy out there.


Nov 02, 2016 at 02:50 PM
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In the meantime I am shooting with my new GM 24-70 without looking for problems. You will never ever find the perfect copy out there.


Congratulations on getting a good copy.

I'm not looking for the perfect copy, just a decent copy. I'm not paying that amount of money for a lens that is incapable of delivering across the frame sharpness at any setting at at least one FL. That defeats the purpose of owning a zoom in the first place.

I have owned and used two dozen Sony lenses over the years dating back to a-mount and I have never seen a lens (at least not one that I bought) that gets so soft in one part of the frame even by f5.6-f8, while lesser lenses render that scene perfectly sharp without issues. Compared to those 24-70 GM's, even my copy of the infamous 35 1.4 which was slightly decentered, still looked good .



Nov 02, 2016 at 05:19 PM
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I got a mint copy of the 24-70GM the other day. I was very impressed with what I a saw at 24, 35 and even 50mm . From Fred's and Guy's tests I knew that 70mm was the weak spot, but on mine it looked pretty bad. The 70-300G at 70mm f5.6 or f8 looked better, which didn't sound or look right to me. I complained to the store. They couldn't replicate what I saw, but sent the lens in. So it's now at Sony for testing. We'll see. It's an irony that the most expensive Sony lens I've purchased
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Chris,

I recently tested a few 24-70 Gm's and the 70-300 @ 70mm, landscape shots at f5.6. Light was fading, and cloud cover was starting to come in, so far from ideal test conditions.

However I shot all lenses within 5 minutes of each other, so all had just as bad conditions to work with.

Tripod, steady shot off.

Anyway, on every shot, on all copies of the GM, the 70-300G was more detailed @70mm.

Just had to register to say that as I'd hate for you to keep buying new ones, thinking the GM should be better.

Weather isn't looking great here any time soon, but if the sun ever comes out I'll post some shots.



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Nov 04, 2016 at 05:05 PM
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Well as mentioned several times on the 24-70 at 70mm is the weakest focal length. Below that its very good but usually a 70-200 is pretty good at 70mm but sometimes these zooms just have a focal length that is weaker somewhere in the zone.Personally i think it comes down to lens element groups not ling up good at certain focal lengths. I can't recall ever having a zoom good at its whole range and thats a lot of years with zooms. Im not even a fan of them but this GM 24-70 I take it as one of the better ones I ever shot


Nov 04, 2016 at 05:12 PM
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Chris,

I recently tested a few 24-70 Gm's and the 70-300 @ 70mm, landscape shots at f5.6. Light was fading, and cloud cover was starting to come in, so far from ideal test conditions.

However I shot all lenses within 5 minutes of each other, so all had just as bad conditions to work with.

Tripod, steady shot off.

Anyway, on every shot, on all copies of the GM, the 70-300G was more detailed @70mm.

Just had to register to say that as I'd hate for you to keep buying new ones, thinking the GM should be better.

Weather isn't looking great here any time soon,
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Thanks for sharing your experiences. If the drop off in resolution was uniform, it would be a different story, but it's not. With the first lens, the outer regions of the frame were just extremely crappy. The second copy was better, but the lower left corner region never got sharp. Decentering may be to blame for that, I don't know.

My level of reference is/was this thread, so I don't think my expectations for 70mm had been through the roof. If things can't be sorted out, then I'll have to re-consider the TAP and 35 1.4 or re-acquiring a Sony 35 1.4 (which I know, would most likely mean more lottery playing).



Nov 04, 2016 at 07:07 PM
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Ah, with you now Chris.

One thing I noticed at 70mm was going from f8 to f11 really helped the corners.

I'm looking forward to trying out the 70-200 GM, but still can't get my hands on one at the moment, so playing around with 70-300G for now.

Is your 24-70 away at a service centre, or did you just return it?



Nov 05, 2016 at 11:57 AM
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Chris_88 wrote:
Thanks for sharing your experiences. If the drop off in resolution was uniform, it would be a different story, but it's not. With the first lens, the outer regions of the frame were just extremely crappy. The second copy was better, but the lower left corner region never got sharp. Decentering may be to blame for that, I don't know.

My level of reference is/was this thread, so I don't think my expectations for 70mm had been through the roof. If things can't be sorted out, then I'll have to re-consider the TAP and 35 1.4 or re-acquiring a Sony
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This probably my first post in FM. I am sorry to hear that your copies of 24-70gm were not performing well.
I move from Canon, and I realized that Sony QC is on par with canon, which also have a lot of decentering issue, but the DSLR microadjustment help to alleviate some problem -- you can give up some center sharpness for better corners etc.

Here is a little experience with my copy.

My copy is perfectly centered from 24-60, peak resolution at 28-50. sharpness notably drops from 60-70 when shooting landscape but still extremely sharp for portrait distance. And I found a interesting phenomenon, at 70 end, F2.8 show no decentering issue. All 4 corners are decently sharp. but at F4 and 5.6 (worst), the astigmatism in low left (good Tan, but blurry Sag) increased in the corners although the center improves a lot. At F8, that corner get much better, and all corner are even. At F11, all corner get further improved to a pixel peeping level. I dont' find diffraction at F11 bother me since all details are there just a little loss in contrast, which is easy to fix in the post processing.

Apart from that slightly decentered corner, all other corner also show a outward filed curvature. So to get best corners and largest DOF, I focus a little in front of the main target. It works well.

I chose not to return it because the very strong 24-60, I don't know whether my next copy will be this good. It beats my previous canon 24-70 II (I think that was a pretty copy as well) quite a bit. I found that 70mm for landscape really need to stop down. if you want to cover some foreground, even you have a stellar copy, F11 even 16 is needed, or you need to do focus stacking. Otherwise, shooting long distance stuff like from the top of mountains, a little decentering won't matter. at least in my case, even at F2.8-5.6 on 70mm, all corners are good. If the lens is noticeably decentered at wide end, that is another issue, and need to be returned.







Nov 05, 2016 at 02:07 PM
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And I want to add another thing regarding the filed experience to get better corners on this lens.
Maybe due to the behavior of the lens firmware, I found at the wide end, focusing on the farthest target gets best corners. But at the tele end, shoot a little front will help. just like the old 1/3 rule.
And to get best and consistent corner performance at 70mm, I focus wide open at 2.8, then stop down to 8-16 without refocusing (use back bottom focusing). This is much better and consistent than just focus with smaller aperture at 8, 11, or 16.



Nov 05, 2016 at 02:20 PM
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