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Archive 2016Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
p.44 #1Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
GMPhotography wrote:
Same here. they are both very good starting at f/5.6 for landscapes.Yea i just tested my 24-70 at 50mm today in the other thread and the zoom is a wonderful lens at 50mm stopped down a bit. We have been so lucky by some of the latest lenses coming to market , the GMs are just outstanding and the new 50 is killer sharp. Keep them coming. Im starting to think having the new 70 -200 2.8 just to have when i need that length.
After the 24-70GM is hard to justify primes on that range for landscapes
Fred Miranda wrote
GMPhotography wrote
Sad news I have not touched my 50 since I got this zoom.After the 24-70GM is hard to justify primes on that range for landscapes
Aug 07, 2016 at 09:27 PM
p.44 #2Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
MikeEvangelist wrote:
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The sizes kill the great deal of having compact mirrorless systems but I want that 24-70 badly . I bet it (or.. Batis 85) would be my next lens.
Earlier quote
Anyone have a picture of the 24-70GM next to the 70-200 f/4, or would be able to take one?The sizes kill the great deal of having compact mirrorless systems but I want that 24-70 badly . I bet it (or.. Batis 85) would be my next lens.
Aug 07, 2016 at 10:35 PM
p.44 #3Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
I shot my first time with it today in a shoot. This lens is a beast (both size and performance )...Love it, I haven't used a zoom in years and this one knocked it out of the park. My biggest problem was the I would be in a specific focal length and then start walking forward and back like I do with my primes 
Aug 07, 2016 at 11:07 PM
p.44 #4Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
Mark Rigsby wrote:
I shot my first time with it today in a shoot. This lens is a beast (both size and performance )...Love it, I haven't used a zoom in years and this one knocked it out of the park. My biggest problem was the I would be in a specific focal length and then start walking forward and back like I do with my primes
But that's a *good* thing to do! The bigges danger with zooms is that you just randomly choose a location and then frame by zoom, rather than working out the right perspective...
I shot my first time with it today in a shoot. This lens is a beast (both size and performance )...Love it, I haven't used a zoom in years and this one knocked it out of the park. My biggest problem was the I would be in a specific focal length and then start walking forward and back like I do with my primes
But that's a *good* thing to do! The bigges danger with zooms is that you just randomly choose a location and then frame by zoom, rather than working out the right perspective...
Aug 07, 2016 at 11:16 PM
p.44 #5Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
I don't think there's anything wrong with framing by zoom, you can still work perspective without moving your feet. It's all about creativity and seeing your subject from different angles. I'm sure you can do the same thing by framing with zoom. Heck, after I got used to the lens, i was seeing things differently in some situations, so it's always good to step outside your established patterns.
Aug 09, 2016 at 12:34 AM
p.44 #6Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
Mark Rigsby wrote:
I don't think there's anything wrong with framing by zoom, you can still work perspective without moving your feet. It's all about creativity and seeing your subject from different angles. I'm sure you can do the same thing by framing with zoom. Heck, after I got used to the lens, i was seeing things differently in some situations, so it's always good to step outside your established patterns.
I agree there's nothing wrong with zooming to frame after you have found the right perspective. Beats cropping to frame. Less hassle that stiching to frame. But finding the right location and thus perspective needs walking, at least me. The danger with zooms is because you can zoom to frame you may never see the perspective you would have got from another location. Of course this danger can be overcome.
I don't think there's anything wrong with framing by zoom, you can still work perspective without moving your feet. It's all about creativity and seeing your subject from different angles. I'm sure you can do the same thing by framing with zoom. Heck, after I got used to the lens, i was seeing things differently in some situations, so it's always good to step outside your established patterns.
I agree there's nothing wrong with zooming to frame after you have found the right perspective. Beats cropping to frame. Less hassle that stiching to frame. But finding the right location and thus perspective needs walking, at least me. The danger with zooms is because you can zoom to frame you may never see the perspective you would have got from another location. Of course this danger can be overcome.
Aug 09, 2016 at 01:09 AM
p.44 #7Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
Mark Rigsby wrote:
... you can still work perspective without moving your feet. It's all about creativity and seeing your subject from different angles. I'm sure you can do the same thing by framing with zoom.
Zooming does change the framing, being an optical crop. To see your subject from a different angle, geometrically speaking, you must move your feet. That, or move your subject! The latter route is unlikely for landscape, but more than common for tabletop.
... you can still work perspective without moving your feet. It's all about creativity and seeing your subject from different angles. I'm sure you can do the same thing by framing with zoom.
Zooming does change the framing, being an optical crop. To see your subject from a different angle, geometrically speaking, you must move your feet. That, or move your subject! The latter route is unlikely for landscape, but more than common for tabletop.
Aug 09, 2016 at 01:13 AM
p.44 #8Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
DavidBM wrote:
I agree there's nothing wrong with zooming to frame after you have found the right perspective. Beats cropping to frame. Less hassle that stiching to frame. But finding the right location and thus perspective needs walking, at least me. The danger with zooms is because you can zoom to frame you may never see the perspective you would have got from another location. Of course this danger can be overcome.
For landscapes, I first decide how far I want the background to be in relation to the foreground. That's my focal length decision. Then I move around to frame the scene. So far, this can be done with primes or a zoom set to my desired focal length.
However, sometimes, moving is not possible. (Example, you are on the top a cliff.). In cases like this, fine-tuning the chosen focal length by slightly zooming is very helpful. (Like Rico wrote, this is optical cropping).
I much prefer to frame the scene as perfectly as possible in the field than cropping in post which sometimes happen when using primes. That way all our camera megapixels are preserved in the final image.
Mark Rigsby wrote
I don't think there's anything wrong with framing by zoom, you can still work perspective without moving your feet. It's all about creativity and seeing your subject from different angles. I'm sure you can do the same thing by framing with zoom. Heck, after I got used to the lens, i was seeing things differently in some situations, so it's always good to step outside your established patterns.For landscapes, I first decide how far I want the background to be in relation to the foreground. That's my focal length decision. Then I move around to frame the scene. So far, this can be done with primes or a zoom set to my desired focal length.
However, sometimes, moving is not possible. (Example, you are on the top a cliff.
). In cases like this, fine-tuning the chosen focal length by slightly zooming is very helpful. (Like Rico wrote, this is optical cropping).I much prefer to frame the scene as perfectly as possible in the field than cropping in post which sometimes happen when using primes. That way all our camera megapixels are preserved in the final image.
Aug 09, 2016 at 01:25 AM
p.44 #9Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
Fred Miranda wrote:
I agree there's nothing wrong with zooming to frame after you have found the right perspective. Beats cropping to frame. Less hassle that stiching to frame. But finding the right location and thus perspective needs walking, at least me. The danger with zooms is because you can zoom to frame you may never see the perspective you would have got from another location. Of course this danger can be overcome.For landscapes, I first decide how far I want the background to be in relation to the foreground. That's my focal length decision. Then I move around to frame the scene. So far, this can be done with primes or a zoom set to my desired focal length.
However, sometimes, moving is not possible. (Example, you are on the top a cliff.). In cases like this, fine-tuning the chosen focal length by slightly zooming is very helpful. (Like Rico wrote, this is optical cropping).
I much prefer to frame the scene as perfectly as possible in the field than...Show more →
Agree with all of that: my point was just about the danger of not thinking about perspective and foreground /background relationships that some (including my younger self) can succumb to using zooms. Using primes helped me me move and think. Of course I hope that's no longer necessary - and I can trust myself to use the GM zoom carefully if I get one!
DavidBM wrote
Mark Rigsby wrote
I don't think there's anything wrong with framing by zoom, you can still work perspective without moving your feet. It's all about creativity and seeing your subject from different angles. I'm sure you can do the same thing by framing with zoom. Heck, after I got used to the lens, i was seeing things differently in some situations, so it's always good to step outside your established patterns.However, sometimes, moving is not possible. (Example, you are on the top a cliff.
). In cases like this, fine-tuning the chosen focal length by slightly zooming is very helpful. (Like Rico wrote, this is optical cropping).I much prefer to frame the scene as perfectly as possible in the field than...Show more →
Agree with all of that: my point was just about the danger of not thinking about perspective and foreground /background relationships that some (including my younger self) can succumb to using zooms. Using primes helped me me move and think. Of course I hope that's no longer necessary - and I can trust myself to use the GM zoom carefully if I get one!
Aug 09, 2016 at 02:23 AM
p.44 #10Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
When this lens was released, I didn't pay attention. When I saw the glowing comments I shrugged, thinking "meh, I've never liked standard zooms and that is one big lens".
I made the mistake of trying it on at a camera store when they didn't have the batis 25 I was interested in trying. Holy cow this lens is fanastic. Here is the first photo I took with it in the store.
"Uh oh" - GM first impression by Henry Lydecker, on Flickr
The full resolution is on flickr. I was totally floored when I opened this file in lightroom, the sharpness and "mojo" of the lens is utterly off the charts. I know I sound like Steve Huff now but wow, what a lens. You guys were right. I am now coming up with schemes and plots.
I made the mistake of trying it on at a camera store when they didn't have the batis 25 I was interested in trying. Holy cow this lens is fanastic. Here is the first photo I took with it in the store.
"Uh oh" - GM first impression by Henry Lydecker, on Flickr
The full resolution is on flickr. I was totally floored when I opened this file in lightroom, the sharpness and "mojo" of the lens is utterly off the charts. I know I sound like Steve Huff now but wow, what a lens. You guys were right. I am now coming up with schemes and plots.
Aug 09, 2016 at 07:02 AM
p.44 #11Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
It's funny, as primarily a portrait photographer, i found my self using two lenses 99% of the time, the 85 and 35mm. This opens up a whole new world for me...I haven't used a zoom (outside of a 70-200) in 10 years...And I don't use that much either.
This lens is amazing..and yes, i don't think I'l fall into the trap of missing perspective due to zoom since my work is all about perspective....I has to find the right one and I walk a ton...(or when I'm lazy I use my office chair with wheels
This lens is amazing..and yes, i don't think I'l fall into the trap of missing perspective due to zoom since my work is all about perspective....I has to find the right one and I walk a ton...(or when I'm lazy I use my office chair with wheels
Aug 09, 2016 at 08:08 AM
p.44 #12Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
This lens has changed some very stubborn mindsets on zooms. ME
From a guy that hated zooms most of my career. I still do but this is a exception
From a guy that hated zooms most of my career. I still do but this is a exception
Aug 09, 2016 at 08:19 AM
p.44 #13Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
GMPhotography wrote:
This lens has changed some very stubborn mindsets on zooms. ME
From a guy that hated zooms most of my career. I still do but this is a exception
I'm is the same boat having come from Leica's and small primes I never thought I would fall for a monster in the way I have with this lens
This lens has changed some very stubborn mindsets on zooms. ME
From a guy that hated zooms most of my career. I still do but this is a exception
I'm is the same boat having come from Leica's and small primes I never thought I would fall for a monster in the way I have with this lens
Aug 09, 2016 at 09:56 AM
p.44 #14Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
I can't believe I made it through all 44 pages without seeing a Batis 25 vs 24-70GM comparison.
Aug 09, 2016 at 11:42 AM
p.44 #15Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
Honestly the zoom at 24mm is its best focal length. It's that good not sure much could compare to it. I had the 25 and it's a great lens no question but I'm not so sure the corners would be as good as the zoom. That's a strong statement from me. Zooms have never matched a prime in the past. I mean like never. Now I can eat my words from those comments in the past. Frankly happy to do so too
Aug 09, 2016 at 11:49 AM
p.44 #16Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
Aside for the sharp corners what surprised me the most was the smooth bokeh rendering wide open and stopped down. Incredible how bokeh balls remain rounded and clean even at smaller apertures.
GMPhotography wrote:
Honestly the zoom at 24mm is its best focal length. It's that good not sure much could compare to it. I had the 25 and it's a great lens no question but I'm not so sure the corners would be as good as the zoom. That's a strong statement from me. Zooms have never matched a prime in the past. I mean like never. Now I can eat my words from those comments in the past. Frankly happy to do so too
GMPhotography wrote:
Honestly the zoom at 24mm is its best focal length. It's that good not sure much could compare to it. I had the 25 and it's a great lens no question but I'm not so sure the corners would be as good as the zoom. That's a strong statement from me. Zooms have never matched a prime in the past. I mean like never. Now I can eat my words from those comments in the past. Frankly happy to do so too
Aug 09, 2016 at 11:55 AM
p.44 #18Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
beautiful. i need this one.
Aug 09, 2016 at 12:08 PM
p.44 #19Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
24-70 GM > 25mm Batis
I have no other choice but to call BS and hopefully push someone to post some comparisons and prove me wrong and empty my wallet.
I have no other choice but to call BS and hopefully push someone to post some comparisons and prove me wrong and empty my wallet.
Aug 09, 2016 at 12:22 PM
p.44 #20Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Rolling Review
I just scanned through 44 pages of this thread wondering if anyone had done a side by side comparison with the Canon? Did I miss it? Thanks in advance.
P.S. Fred, did your broken 24-70 GM survive the repair shop?
P.S. Fred, did your broken 24-70 GM survive the repair shop?
Aug 09, 2016 at 12:35 PM