Sony Smooth Reflection App
p.7 #1Sony Smooth Reflection App
What is the setting in app? The apps have their own file type settings
Jan 02, 2016 at 09:30 PM
p.7 #2Sony Smooth Reflection App
Mark,
Make sure both cameras are set to: RAW+Jpeg as file type on the app menu options.
mark1958 wrote:
Today I went to the coast and shot with the A7RII and Rx1R II. I was using both ND filters and the sky app. On the RX1R--- the files were only saved as jpg. My non sky app images were saved as both-- that is what i had it set to. Not sure why the difference between the two cameras
Make sure both cameras are set to: RAW+Jpeg as file type on the app menu options.
mark1958 wrote:
Today I went to the coast and shot with the A7RII and Rx1R II. I was using both ND filters and the sky app. On the RX1R--- the files were only saved as jpg. My non sky app images were saved as both-- that is what i had it set to. Not sure why the difference between the two cameras
Jan 02, 2016 at 10:42 PM
p.7 #3Sony Smooth Reflection App
Yes, the apps have their own menu options. Some settings are not suppoted.
roshambo123 wrote:
What is the setting in app? The apps have their own file type settings
roshambo123 wrote:
What is the setting in app? The apps have their own file type settings
Jan 02, 2016 at 10:43 PM
p.7 #4Sony Smooth Reflection App
Yep Learned the hard way
Fred Miranda wrote:
Yes, the apps have their own menu options. Some settings are not suppoted.
Fred Miranda wrote:
Yes, the apps have their own menu options. Some settings are not suppoted.
roshambo123 wrote
What is the setting in app? The apps have their own file type settingsJan 03, 2016 at 01:28 PM
p.7 #5Sony Smooth Reflection App
After testing both apps with real images I have a suspicion that there is a reduction in dynamic range from the resulting images. I'm not 100% sure about this yet.
I know the file is RAW but it seems that the latitude for the highlights is narrower when comparing to normal RAWs.
I had seen this with the Sky HDR and now have encounter this issue with the Smooth Reflection app as well.
Have anyone seen this?
I know the file is RAW but it seems that the latitude for the highlights is narrower when comparing to normal RAWs.
I had seen this with the Sky HDR and now have encounter this issue with the Smooth Reflection app as well.
Have anyone seen this?
Jan 03, 2016 at 04:56 PM
p.7 #6Sony Smooth Reflection App
Some analysis of the files in RAWDigger might be in order?
Jan 03, 2016 at 05:05 PM
p.7 #7Sony Smooth Reflection App
roshambo123 wrote:
Some analysis of the files in RAWDigger might be in order?
That is a good idea. I will test this out.
Some analysis of the files in RAWDigger might be in order?
That is a good idea. I will test this out.
Jan 03, 2016 at 05:13 PM
p.7 #8Sony Smooth Reflection App
BTW: For those using the App to complement their filters here is a quick table:
Starting with a 3-stop filter:
4 stops (2 shots)
5 stops (4 shots)
6 stops (8 shots)
7 shots (16 shots)
8 shots (32 shots)
Starting with a 6-stop filter:
7 stops (2 shots)
8 stops (4 shots)
9 stops (8 shots)
10 stops (16 shots)
11 stops (32 shots)
Starting with a 3-stop filter:
4 stops (2 shots)
5 stops (4 shots)
6 stops (8 shots)
7 shots (16 shots)
8 shots (32 shots)
Starting with a 6-stop filter:
7 stops (2 shots)
8 stops (4 shots)
9 stops (8 shots)
10 stops (16 shots)
11 stops (32 shots)
Jan 03, 2016 at 05:14 PM
p.7 #9Sony Smooth Reflection App
Here is an image I captured yesterday.
Taken with my RX1RII and 64 shots (exposure 3s each)
Taken with my RX1RII and 64 shots (exposure 3s each)
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Jan 03, 2016 at 05:17 PM
p.7 #10Sony Smooth Reflection App
Looks really good. The images the app produces are clean, even if there is some reduction in bit depth or DR. For my part, I like the look.
Jan 03, 2016 at 05:23 PM
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p.7 #11Sony Smooth Reflection App
I agree they look good regardless of any alteration in the DR. I am curious if you compared a lesser number of shots and any combo with an ND filter in a direct comparison.
I put two Tiffen 2.1 and 1.8 ND filters, f10 and 30 sec exposures with 8 shots using the APP. The problem is that the camera processes each image before taking the next exposure. So for 8 shots x 30 seconds took about 10 minutes to take the 8 images.
Is there anyway to recover the number of APP shots in the exif information? I could not find
I put two Tiffen 2.1 and 1.8 ND filters, f10 and 30 sec exposures with 8 shots using the APP. The problem is that the camera processes each image before taking the next exposure. So for 8 shots x 30 seconds took about 10 minutes to take the 8 images.
Is there anyway to recover the number of APP shots in the exif information? I could not find
Jan 03, 2016 at 05:49 PM
p.7 #12Sony Smooth Reflection App
I did a couple tests today and this is what I've leaned.
It's not the SR App that is reducing latitude in the highlights. The issue is that after the images are blended, you lose the ability to recover highlights. That is using the App or PS. (The RAW file from the App does not have the 2-stop highlight headroom as a normal RAW)
I captured 32 shots using the SR App and 32 shots blended in PS using stack mode "mean". The resulting images are pretty much identical with very small highlight recovery from the files.
You definitely can't use the ETTR technique I posted here while using the App. Trust me, I learned this the hard way.
So, when using the Smooth Reflections app, expose to the highlights as they can't be recovered in post. With the App, shadows will be so clean anyways so recovering them instead is the way to go.
It's not the SR App that is reducing latitude in the highlights. The issue is that after the images are blended, you lose the ability to recover highlights. That is using the App or PS. (The RAW file from the App does not have the 2-stop highlight headroom as a normal RAW)
I captured 32 shots using the SR App and 32 shots blended in PS using stack mode "mean". The resulting images are pretty much identical with very small highlight recovery from the files.
You definitely can't use the ETTR technique I posted here while using the App. Trust me, I learned this the hard way.
So, when using the Smooth Reflections app, expose to the highlights as they can't be recovered in post. With the App, shadows will be so clean anyways so recovering them instead is the way to go.
Jan 03, 2016 at 07:07 PM
p.7 #13Sony Smooth Reflection App
I forgot to write that If you want to have the same latitude for the highlights as a normal RAW file and don't want to use physical filters there is a way though but it's NOT using the app. You must capture the images manually and recover the highlights (for all of images) BEFORE blending them in Photoshop. That way you will get great noise levels, ND effect, and benefit from the normal 2-stop highlight headroom.
Jan 03, 2016 at 07:32 PM
p.7 #14Sony Smooth Reflection App
This is a shot I took with the APP with the RX1R II. f9, 1/80 and iso 100. I don't remember how many shots were fired via the app. I am pissed at myself but had the app set to Fine jpg --- so no RAW. It is not cropped -- slight HDR filter and then downsized. The focus point was middle of the side rocks
Jan 03, 2016 at 08:07 PM
p.7 #15Sony Smooth Reflection App
Fred Miranda wrote:
I did a couple tests today and this is what I've leaned.
It's not the SR App that is reducing latitude in the highlights. The issue is that after the images are blended, you lose the ability to recover highlights. That is using the App or PS. (The RAW file from the App does not have the 2-stop highlight headroom as a normal RAW)
I captured 32 shots using the SR App and 32 shots blended in PS using stack mode "mean". The resulting images are pretty much identical with very small highlight recovery from the files.
You definitely can't use the...Show more →
Fred, appreciate all your work and sharing of knowledge (and photos) !
I did a couple tests today and this is what I've leaned.
It's not the SR App that is reducing latitude in the highlights. The issue is that after the images are blended, you lose the ability to recover highlights. That is using the App or PS. (The RAW file from the App does not have the 2-stop highlight headroom as a normal RAW)
I captured 32 shots using the SR App and 32 shots blended in PS using stack mode "mean". The resulting images are pretty much identical with very small highlight recovery from the files.
You definitely can't use the...Show more →
Fred, appreciate all your work and sharing of knowledge (and photos) !
Jan 03, 2016 at 09:34 PM
p.7 #16Sony Smooth Reflection App
Here is another sample using Smooth Reflections (32 shots)
PS: As you can see some highlights are borderline blown. (I didn't expose properly for the reasons I detailed above)
PS: As you can see some highlights are borderline blown. (I didn't expose properly for the reasons I detailed above)
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Jan 03, 2016 at 10:32 PM
p.7 #17Sony Smooth Reflection App
Fred,
So with the app, is a reasonable method to turn on Zebra 100+ with EV 0, and simply set exposure so there are no blinking areas?
So with the app, is a reasonable method to turn on Zebra 100+ with EV 0, and simply set exposure so there are no blinking areas?
Jan 03, 2016 at 11:15 PM
p.7 #18Sony Smooth Reflection App
roshambo123 wrote:
Fred,
So with the app, is a reasonable method to turn on Zebra 100+ with EV 0, and simply set exposure so there are no blinking areas?
Yes, that is the perfect exposure for the SR App.
Lower the exposure until there is no zebra pattern in the entire image. (Set to 100+)
Fred,
So with the app, is a reasonable method to turn on Zebra 100+ with EV 0, and simply set exposure so there are no blinking areas?
Yes, that is the perfect exposure for the SR App.
Lower the exposure until there is no zebra pattern in the entire image. (Set to 100+)
Jan 03, 2016 at 11:53 PM
p.7 #19Sony Smooth Reflection App
Has anyone tried these apps during a night in a city with a scene where cars would make light trails. Will the app leave caps between the shots or are the trails continuous?
Jan 04, 2016 at 02:10 PM
p.7 #20Sony Smooth Reflection App
I did a daylight one today with lots of traffic on the main road near to where I live, the photo ended up showing almost a empty road, not sure if it would be different at night tho...
Jan 05, 2016 at 12:16 PM