RX100’s do not not have a bulb mode and SS is limited to 30 seconds (in my knowledge). Not sure about the filter thread either. And, i do not know if RX100 series can be triggered by a cable release or a wireless remote (maybe phone but that’s not an optimal solution for hiking).
Whichever way, you can’t win
PS: Does SR app have any usefulness in night time/astro photography?
What a wonderful tool for creating noise free images at whatever ISO.
fjablo wrote:
Interesting! I was not aware of the OS change. That pretty much explains it, but I hope they'll bring the popular apps - esp. multiframe NR in RAW - back somehow...
Otherwise I'll probably just have to buy an RX100V, filter adapter and 3 spare batteries for light hiking
I have posted this in a 12000 member strong group on facebook, administered by Colby Brown and includes other Sony photographers like Mark Galer etc...
David Kilpatrick’s reply:
The operating system is different and resources have been put into different functions, with no pixel matching of any kind offered by the A7RIII. This includes the night shot/high ISO NR multishot modes (gone), multishot sweep panoramas (gone). The functions just are not there, the processor is dedicated instead to 10fps and 14-bit raw (etc) - quality and speed rather than versatile features. I don't think there will ever be a return to the Camera App era and I suspect that there may also be licensing issues - Sony has a history of licensing features developed by third parties. These can be dropped to save royalties on future models. I agree these two apps are much missed.
That is disappointing... perhaps if Sony had not made these apps user hostile to install and use, they would have had a lot more uptake and been a real valuable and differentiating customer benefit... Not like a bunch of ND filters aren't bought and used by photographers.
Yet another great imaging feature that will get implemented really well on smartphones and we'll soon see millions of probably handheld "smooth reflection" photos and great low-light low noise tiny sensor pics.
nandadevieast wrote:
Looks like its a lost case. Pls don’t sell your alpha 7R2’s
That's why I bought only one A7RIII, and keep a II. I will use the Arsenal device mainly on the III. But just got an update from Arsenal today, shipment is delayed again...
Hm I am a bit surprised that the new processors should be unable to do such basic exercise as required by SR.
It „just“ takes the mean of recorded RGB values (per pixel) of all recorded images, then throws away the images that are not needed. No alignment of images necessary... Royalty fees are probably more likely (then again can you copyright basic math operations? Sony could probably just do their own version if they wanted..)
Sony could add this functionality internally but apparently it’s not their priority. All we need is a similar function to smooth reflections (image averaging) and Time Lapse (intervalometer) added to the main camera menu system.
I reverse engineered the bootloader for downgrading firmware during the star eater debacle. I eventually decided uncompressed raw was more valuable to me since spatial filtering can be overcome by shooting continuous.
The new cameras are not Android. The playmemories apps don't have their source code shared and there is no public api for the new OS other than a remote control feature, so no porting in their current form. No way, no how.
Etherton wrote:
If they are Android based then a developer over on XDA should be able to program the new app. Can't be any worse than jailbreaking some of those phones. Albeit, I've been long since removed from messing around with any of that stuff. But it's worth a request. Where did you read that the cameras were Android based?
Just out of curiosity, could it be "simulated" in photoshop by averaging exposures together using layers or something? It is certainly not a replacement for the app, but it could be useful (if it can be done) for times when I have the 7r3 with me instead of the 7r2.
lostinjapan wrote:
Just out of curiosity, could it be "simulated" in photoshop by averaging exposures together using layers or something? It is certainly not a replacement for the app, but it could be useful (if it can be done) for times when I have the 7r3 with me instead of the 7r2.
Cheers.
Ryan
It can definitely be done in Photoshop: Just load all the images in layers and create a "smart object". Once that's done, set Stack Mode to "Mean".
This will average all your images but unfortunately the process can be very time consuming depending on the number of images.
Apologies in advance for the n00b questions; I'm attempting to finally teach myself how to shoot photos after several years of regrets. I have an a6000, and am about to grab a manual Rokinon / Samyang 12mm f/2 lens. (Other lenses are the 16-50 kit and a 50mm f/1.8).
1. Will I be able to use both the SkyHDR and Smooth Reflection apps with the (completely manual) Rokinon lens? Does either app need to be able to set the aperture on the lens?
2. Sony's got a new, $30 app for multiple exposures that seems to replace SkyHDR. Has anyone used it? From reading online, it sounds like the main upgrade is being able to set three zones instead of two. Does this make that much of a difference for landscape / seascape shots? Anyone done a side-by-side on this?
1. Yes, manual lens should work fine. I used my CV15 with both on A7rII.
2. I haven't used it... I'm still on Sky HDR. I don't use that one much, so haven't felt the need/want to pay the extra $20. The dynamic range of the Sony cams is pretty good, and you definitely have to be careful not to overdo the exposure differences in the zones to keep the image somewhat natural. Seems like you could try Sky HDR first, then upgrade if you want 3 zones? I could see the appeal if you are shooting into the sun a lot--that is what reverse ND grads are for.
Open each of the images in your stack as layers.
Align them (Edit → Auto-Align Layers…). Auto should work fine here.
Select all of the layers and turn them into a Smart Object (Convert to Smart Object).
Now apply the Mean Stack mode (Layer → Smart Objects → Stack Mode → Mean).
However, Photoshop uses way too much memory.
Forget about stacking more than 50 images.
I've tried the Long Exposure Stacker app and was able to stack 256 images in 20 minutes. This is not even possible in Photoshop.
Open each of the images in your stack as layers.
Align them (Edit → Auto-Align Layers…). Auto should work fine here.
Select all of the layers and turn them into a Smart Object (Convert to Smart Object).
Now apply the Mean Stack mode (Layer → Smart Objects → Stack Mode → Mean).
However, Photoshop uses way too much memory.
Forget about stacking more than 50 images.
I've tried the Long Exposure Stacker app and was able to stack 256 images in 20 minutes. This is not even possible in Photoshop....Show more →
huh, that actually makes the on board app seems much more impressive than I tought, which makes a real shame they are deprecating that feature...
knshshnk wrote:
huh, that actually makes the on board app seems much more impressive than I tought, which makes a real shame they are deprecating that feature...
Yes, if your camera supports it, it's a great deal. It had its downsides though...The in-camera Smooth Reflection didn't support silent shutter or uncompressed RAW which means your mechanical shutter would wear faster with heavy usage and the files were not 14-bit. Even though the resulting image was a RAW file, it had zero latitude for the highlights.
Recent Sony cameras have a built-in intervalometer making shooting multiple images much easier. The only downside is having to shoot many images in camera and the time it takes to process in post. The new app above (Mac only) process the images very fast and the developer told me the next version will support RAWs straight from the camera.
