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p.2 #1Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
mcbroomf wrote:
I wonder why LR has Nov 9th option for delivery


It's just an estimate. You can reserve for that date and if it's not expected to be available closer to your reservation, they will continue pushing your reservation back week by week until it is available. I would not put too much stock in it actually being available for rent on the 9th as I went through this with the Sony A7rII being pushed back week by week after the initial date slipped. I finally cancelled after a few weeks as I did not need it by the time it actually became available.

Nov 05, 2015 at 12:00 PM
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p.2 #2Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
Fred Miranda wrote:
I should never had rented a RX1R!
I really enjoyed shooting with it and the 35mm lens is truly unique. The Mark II seems to have fixed all the shortcomings I had with the camera. I'm getting it as part of my kit:

Heliar 10/4.5 (when available)
FE 16-35/4
Loxia 21/2.8 (pre-ordered)
RX1RII 35/2 (pre-ordering in 15 minutes )
FE 55/1.8
Canon EF 135/2L

Canon TS-E 17/4L

I may also get the Batis 85/1.8. Not sure because the Canon 135/2 fulfill my short telephoto needs.


My Batis 85/1.8 came the other day...on one quick outing last night I can say I'm happy I made the move from my Canon 85mm 1.2L. Incredible lens...so much so that I have an itching for the Batis 25mm, even though there is absolutely nothing I don't like about my FE 28/2.

I also have the Canon 135 f/2...which I still plan to keep for my daughters indoor sports & dance events on my Canon bodies, although for family portraits I plan to use the Batis 85 from now on.

Like you, I also have the FE 16-35...I've had an itch for the FE 55 1.8, but going to wait a little longer to see what other lenses Sony comes up with in the next 6 months. Right now it's more of a "want" than a "need".
Nov 05, 2015 at 01:13 PM
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p.2 #3Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
Hi Chris,
The Canon TS-Es were my favorite lenses but with high MP sensors, they started to show noticeable weakness when shifting and tilting. On the 5DS or A7RII, even 1 degree of tilt, deteriorates the corners to the point that only f/16 somehow fixes it. I am really enjoying shooting with the Zeiss 16-35/4 and can't wait to try the new loxia. I have learned new techniques as alternative to movements. It's not perfect but there are also compromises using Tilt/shift lenses.
Take care,
Fred

Schlotkins wrote:
Fred Miranda wroteI should never had rented a RX1R!
I really enjoyed shooting with it and the 35mm lens is truly unique. The Mark II seems to have fixed all the shortcomings I had with the camera. I'm getting it as part of my kit:

Heliar 10/4.5 (when available)
Loxia 21/2.8 (pre-ordered)
RX1RII 35/2 (pre-ordering in 15 minutes )
FE 28/2
FE 55/1.8
FE 16-35/4
Canon 135/2
Canon TS-E 17/4L

I may also get the Batis 85/1.8. Not sure because the Canon 135/2 fulfill my short telephoto needs.
Did you get rid of the rest of your canon gear? If you did, I'm surprised you didn't hold onto the 24TSE.

Chris

Nov 05, 2015 at 02:10 PM
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p.2 #4Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
I am interested on the Batis 85 but love the look of my EF 135/2 images. I will probably rent one soon.

gocolts wrote:
Fred Miranda wroteI should never had rented a RX1R!
I really enjoyed shooting with it and the 35mm lens is truly unique. The Mark II seems to have fixed all the shortcomings I had with the camera. I'm getting it as part of my kit:

Heliar 10/4.5 (when available)
Loxia 21/2.8 (pre-ordered)
RX1RII 35/2 (pre-ordering in 15 minutes )
FE 28/2
FE 55/1.8
FE 16-35/4
Canon 135/2
Canon TS-E 17/4L

I may also get the Batis 85/1.8. Not sure because the Canon 135/2 fulfill my short telephoto needs.
My Batis 85/1.8 came the other day...on one quick outing last night I can say I'm happy I made the move from my Canon 85mm 1.2L. Incredible lens...so much so that I have an itching for the Batis 25mm, even though there is absolutely nothing I don't like about my FE 28/2.

I also have the Canon 135 f/2...which I still plan to keep for my daughters indoor sports & dance events on my Canon bodies, although for family portraits I plan to use the Batis 85 from now on.

Like you, I also have the FE 16-35...I've had an
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Nov 05, 2015 at 02:14 PM
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p.2 #5Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
Congrats Fred!
Looking forward to the shots
Nov 05, 2015 at 02:53 PM
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p.2 #6Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
Fred Miranda wrote:
Hi Chris,
The Canon TS-Es were my favorite lenses but with high MP sensors, they started to show noticeable weakness when shifting and tilting. On the 5DS or A7RII, even 1 degree of tilt, deteriorates the corners to the point that only f/16 somehow fixes it. I am really enjoying shooting with the Zeiss 16-35/4 and can't wait to try the new loxia. I have learned new techniques as alternative to movements. It's not perfect but there are also compromises using Tilt/shift lenses.
Take care,
Fred

Schlotkins wrote
Fred Miranda wroteI should never had rented a RX1R!
I really enjoyed shooting with it and the 35mm lens is truly unique. The Mark II seems to have fixed all the shortcomings I had with the camera. I'm getting it as part of my kit:

Heliar 10/4.5 (when available)
Loxia 21/2.8 (pre-ordered)
RX1RII 35/2 (pre-ordering in 15 minutes )
FE 28/2
FE 55/1.8
FE 16-35/4
Canon 135/2
Canon TS-E 17/4L

I may also get the Batis 85/1.8. Not sure because the Canon 135/2 fulfill my short telephoto needs.
Did you get rid of the rest of your canon gear? If you did, I'm surprised you didn't hold onto the 24TSE.

Chris


Fred, what is this alternative to movements? I'm curious.
Nov 05, 2015 at 03:38 PM
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p.2 #7Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
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Fred Miranda wroteHi Chris,
The Canon TS-Es were my favorite lenses but with high MP sensors, they started to show noticeable weakness when shifting and tilting. On the 5DS or A7RII, even 1 degree of tilt, deteriorates the corners to the point that only f/16 somehow fixes it. I am really enjoying shooting with the Zeiss 16-35/4 and can't wait to try the new loxia. I have learned new techniques as alternative to movements. It's not perfect but there are also compromises using Tilt/shift lenses.
Take care,
Fred

Schlotkins wrote
Fred Miranda wroteI should never had rented a RX1R!
I really enjoyed shooting with it and the 35mm lens is truly unique. The Mark II seems to have fixed all the shortcomings I had with the camera. I'm getting it as part of my kit:

Heliar 10/4.5 (when available)
Loxia 21/2.8 (pre-ordered)
RX1RII 35/2 (pre-ordering in 15 minutes )
FE 28/2
FE 55/1.8
FE 16-35/4
Canon 135/2
Canon TS-E 17/4L

I may also get the Batis 85/1.8. Not sure because the Canon 135/2 fulfill my short telephoto needs.
Did you get rid of the rest of your canon gear? If you did, I'm surprised you didn't hold onto the 24TSE.

Chris
Fred, what is this alternative to movements? I'm curious.


One possibility would be focus stacking.

Rich
Nov 05, 2015 at 03:46 PM
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p.2 #8Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
Well, I'm in. Three weeks can't come soon enough. I'm really looking forward to the "one camera, one lens" challenge.
Nov 05, 2015 at 04:05 PM
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p.2 #9Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
naturephoto1 wrote:
hiepphotog wrote
Fred Miranda wroteHi Chris,
The Canon TS-Es were my favorite lenses but with high MP sensors, they started to show noticeable weakness when shifting and tilting. On the 5DS or A7RII, even 1 degree of tilt, deteriorates the corners to the point that only f/16 somehow fixes it. I am really enjoying shooting with the Zeiss 16-35/4 and can't wait to try the new loxia. I have learned new techniques as alternative to movements. It's not perfect but there are also compromises using Tilt/shift lenses.
Take care,
Fred

Schlotkins wrote
Fred Miranda wroteI should never had rented a RX1R!
I really enjoyed shooting with it and the 35mm lens is truly unique. The Mark II seems to have fixed all the shortcomings I had with the camera. I'm getting it as part of my kit:

Heliar 10/4.5 (when available)
Loxia 21/2.8 (pre-ordered)
RX1RII 35/2 (pre-ordering in 15 minutes )
FE 28/2
FE 55/1.8
FE 16-35/4
Canon 135/2
Canon TS-E 17/4L

I may also get the Batis 85/1.8. Not sure because the Canon 135/2 fulfill my short telephoto needs.
Did you get rid of the rest of your canon gear? If you did, I'm surprised you didn't hold onto the 24TSE.

Chris
Fred, what is this alternative to movements? I'm curious.
One possibility would be focus stacking.

Rich


I use focus stacking often to shoot at prime aperture like 5.6 than do a 3 to4 focus stack and combine them in Helicon focus. Works very nice.

For perspective control you can use PS but better control is in Capture One with the keystone tool. It can do individual sides to a building, so the two adjustments can be at different angles. Very nice setup for controlling perspective .

These would be very nice tools to use also with a single lens combo like the RX1rII. Man do they need to change the freaking name on this. Its actually obnoxious.

Hello RX2
Nov 05, 2015 at 04:34 PM
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p.2 #10Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
Yes, I got used to focus stacking and Zerene Stacker is the best software for this (better tools and IQ when compared to Photoshop).
I mainly shoot landscape so my need for shift is mainly for composition to avoid having the horizon line in the middle of the frame then the camera is parallel to the ground. Nowadays with our 42MP+ sensors, it's not a big deal to do a little crop and move the horizon line up or down in post if needed.
Nov 05, 2015 at 04:47 PM
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p.2 #11Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
Have to look at Serene Stacker Fred never used that program. I used Helicon focus
Nov 05, 2015 at 04:51 PM
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p.2 #12Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
Fred Miranda wrote:
Yes, I got used to focus stacking and Zerene Stacker is the best software for this (better tools and IQ when compared to Photoshop).
I mainly shoot landscape so my need for shift is mainly for composition to avoid having the horizon line in the middle of the frame then the camera is parallel to the ground. Nowadays with our 42MP+ sensors, it's not a big deal to do a little crop and move the horizon line up or down in post.


Hi Fred,

That was the software program of choice when I participated on Photomacrography.net. It was developed by one of the administrators.

Rich
Nov 05, 2015 at 04:57 PM
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p.2 #13Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
hiepphotog wrote:
Fred Miranda wroteHi Chris,
The Canon TS-Es were my favorite lenses but with high MP sensors, they started to show noticeable weakness when shifting and tilting. On the 5DS or A7RII, even 1 degree of tilt, deteriorates the corners to the point that only f/16 somehow fixes it. I am really enjoying shooting with the Zeiss 16-35/4 and can't wait to try the new loxia. I have learned new techniques as alternative to movements. It's not perfect but there are also compromises using Tilt/shift lenses.
Take care,
Fred

Schlotkins wrote
Fred Miranda wroteI should never had rented a RX1R!
I really enjoyed shooting with it and the 35mm lens is truly unique. The Mark II seems to have fixed all the shortcomings I had with the camera. I'm getting it as part of my kit:

Heliar 10/4.5 (when available)
Loxia 21/2.8 (pre-ordered)
RX1RII 35/2 (pre-ordering in 15 minutes )
FE 28/2
FE 55/1.8
FE 16-35/4
Canon 135/2
Canon TS-E 17/4L

I may also get the Batis 85/1.8. Not sure because the Canon 135/2 fulfill my short telephoto needs.
Did you get rid of the rest of your canon gear? If you did, I'm surprised you didn't hold onto the 24TSE.

Chris
Fred, what is this alternative to movements? I'm curious.



Some alternatives to movements:

(1) Use a wider lens parallel to the plane of focus, and crop (effectively this is like using a wide lens on your current format like a shift lens on a smaller format. Now that we have some really sharp wides and plenty of pixels it's more viable.

(2) Use geometric adjustments in camera raw or DXO. This works very well for architecture. In some ways the upwards perspective it gives you is more natural. You lost some resolution in the adjustment, and also some resolution due to the fact that the focus plane now cuts through your subject, rather than being on it as when the lens is parallel. But it can still get close to the quality of a shift, given how much you lose near the edges on a shift.

(3) instead of tilt for DOF you can try focus stacking. More of a hassle, but also a better result when it works well as you aren't messed up by cases where there there are no rising objects (trees?) that rise out of the plane of focus (when you have set the plane of focus to be the ground, for example)

Nov 05, 2015 at 05:54 PM
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p.2 #14Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
Fred et al., thanks for the replies. My hope is the new (or what is expected to be new) sony 24-70 2.8 FE is a winner. If so, then I'm probably ready to dump my canon stuff, except for wildlife.

Chris
Nov 05, 2015 at 06:00 PM
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p.2 #15Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
Of all the things I've done in photography, focus stacking is new.

Am I correct in saying that focus stacking absolutely requires a tripod?
Nov 05, 2015 at 06:15 PM
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p.2 #16Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
naturephoto1 wrote:
hiepphotog wrote
Fred Miranda wroteHi Chris,
The Canon TS-Es were my favorite lenses but with high MP sensors, they started to show noticeable weakness when shifting and tilting. On the 5DS or A7RII, even 1 degree of tilt, deteriorates the corners to the point that only f/16 somehow fixes it. I am really enjoying shooting with the Zeiss 16-35/4 and can't wait to try the new loxia. I have learned new techniques as alternative to movements. It's not perfect but there are also compromises using Tilt/shift lenses.
Take care,
Fred

Schlotkins wrote
Fred Miranda wroteI should never had rented a RX1R!
I really enjoyed shooting with it and the 35mm lens is truly unique. The Mark II seems to have fixed all the shortcomings I had with the camera. I'm getting it as part of my kit:

Heliar 10/4.5 (when available)
Loxia 21/2.8 (pre-ordered)
RX1RII 35/2 (pre-ordering in 15 minutes )
FE 28/2
FE 55/1.8
FE 16-35/4
Canon 135/2
Canon TS-E 17/4L

I may also get the Batis 85/1.8. Not sure because the Canon 135/2 fulfill my short telephoto needs.
Did you get rid of the rest of your canon gear? If you did, I'm surprised you didn't hold onto the 24TSE.

Chris
Fred, what is this alternative to movements? I'm curious.
One possibility would be focus stacking.

Rich


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Fred Miranda wrote:
Yes, I got used to focus stacking and Zerene Stacker is the best software for this (better tools and IQ when compared to Photoshop).
I mainly shoot landscape so my need for shift is mainly for composition to avoid having the horizon line in the middle of the frame then the camera is parallel to the ground. Nowadays with our 42MP+ sensors, it's not a big deal to do a little crop and move the horizon line up or down in post if needed.


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DavidBM wrote:
hiepphotog wrote
Fred Miranda wroteHi Chris,
The Canon TS-Es were my favorite lenses but with high MP sensors, they started to show noticeable weakness when shifting and tilting. On the 5DS or A7RII, even 1 degree of tilt, deteriorates the corners to the point that only f/16 somehow fixes it. I am really enjoying shooting with the Zeiss 16-35/4 and can't wait to try the new loxia. I have learned new techniques as alternative to movements. It's not perfect but there are also compromises using Tilt/shift lenses.
Take care,
Fred

Schlotkins wrote
Fred Miranda wroteI should never had rented a RX1R!
I really enjoyed shooting with it and the 35mm lens is truly unique. The Mark II seems to have fixed all the shortcomings I had with the camera. I'm getting it as part of my kit:

Heliar 10/4.5 (when available)
Loxia 21/2.8 (pre-ordered)
RX1RII 35/2 (pre-ordering in 15 minutes )
FE 28/2
FE 55/1.8
FE 16-35/4
Canon 135/2
Canon TS-E 17/4L

I may also get the Batis 85/1.8. Not sure because the Canon 135/2 fulfill my short telephoto needs.
Did you get rid of the rest of your canon gear? If you did, I'm surprised you didn't hold onto the 24TSE.

Chris
Fred, what is this alternative to movements? I'm curious.
Some alternatives to movements:

(1) Use a wider lens parallel to the plane of focus, and crop (effectively this is like using a wide lens on your current format like a shift lens on a smaller format. Now that we have some really sharp wides and plenty of pixels it's more viable.

(2) Use geometric adjustments in camera raw or DXO. This works very well for architecture. In some ways the upwards perspective it gives you is more natural. You lost some resolution in the adjustment, and also some resolution due to the fact that the focus plane now cuts through your
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Thank you guys. I thought it's a new technique that you would get the result straight out of the camera. I have used all of these. Particularly, I use stacking quite often to overcome field curvature issue on RF lenses.
Nov 05, 2015 at 08:07 PM
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p.2 #17Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
dandrewk wrote:
Of all the things I've done in photography, focus stacking is new.

Am I correct in saying that focus stacking absolutely requires a tripod?


I would imagine. It's a form of blending...
Nov 05, 2015 at 08:19 PM
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p.2 #18Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
dandrewk wrote:
Of all the things I've done in photography, focus stacking is new.

Am I correct in saying that focus stacking absolutely requires a tripod?


Absolutely. With stacking, the software has to deal with either focus breathing (field of view changing) or perspective changing (by using macro slide). If you handheld, it just makes the matter worse. I know Zerene can't deal well with handheld.
Nov 05, 2015 at 08:30 PM
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p.2 #19Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
Sony RX1R II sample images at dc.watch:
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20151106_729006.html
Nov 05, 2015 at 09:45 PM
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p.2 #20Pre-order the new Sony RX1R II today!
serhan_ wrote:
Sony RX1R II sample images at dc.watch:
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20151106_729006.html


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